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[Jasonovich]

So my HEOS should sound better to 😄👍its very noticeable on the TV via the sound bar a lot more detail and back ground sound.

The data is not being choked by the lack of bandwidth.
It makes sense. 🙂

 

[Shrek]

it doesnt sound choked it defo did before ,ive just tried HEOS the detail id defiantly better .

 

[Al ears]

The data is not being choked by the lack of bandwidth.
It makes sense. 🙂

Not to me it doesn't. Surely the data either comes through or it doesn't?

 

[Dave_]

Not to me it doesn't. Surely the data either comes through or it doesn't?

It's bollox, to be blunt

Audio streaming requires so little bandwidth even a crappy old ADSL could handle it without issue.

It would buffer if there wasn't enough bandwidth not sound different.

Placebo effect/expectation bias is what's going on here...

 

[Al ears]

It's bollox, to be blunt

Audio streaming requires so little bandwidth even a crappy old ADSL could handle it without issue.

It would buffer if there wasn't enough bandwidth not sound different.

Placebo effect/expectation bias is what's going on here...

Precisely, as you so succinctly put it.....

 

[davidf]

It's bollox, to be blunt

Audio streaming requires so little bandwidth even a crappy old ADSL could handle it without issue.

It would buffer if there wasn't enough bandwidth not sound different.

Placebo effect/expectation bias is what's going on here...

And yet, people have issues streaming. Buffering capabilities would be down to the streaming item, and we all know many of these items don't necessarily have a large enough cache.

Playing Devil's advocate...

What if, some or all music streaming services do what Netflix does, and throttles the bandwidth when needed to try and keep he end user experience uninterrupted? It's not something they'd publicise, as people would be screaming for refunds for something they're paying for. And Average Joe wouldn't notice anyway as they couldn't tell MP3 from hi-res.

They're a business, after all, and need to maintain subscribers. Buffering is visible (and annoying), but reducing bandwidth to keep things uninterrupted would be a very easy and desired trade off for a multi-million point company.

 

[Jasonovich]

Precisely, as you so succinctly put it.....

I was alluding to watching high quality 4K streaming. When there are issues with the network, working but my 1GB data has gone down to 20mb.
Netflix will compress the video so it's able to function, there's an obvious degrading of the picture quality.
Its not rocket science! 😏

Fishes swim and perform much better in a bigger fish tank.....Hey Mr Bit Fish....You're in my Bit Postal Code....sorry everything is round, keep going in a circle... 😊

If it's audio, it's not often the threshold is breached, you still get an acceptable sound quality.

 

[Shrek]

Would you spend £2000 on speakers then connect it to a £50. Amp ?

Same applies to a £2000 TV would you conect it to a poor broad band connection when its capable of HD & 4K picture ?

 

[davidf]

Would you spend £2000 on speakers then connect it to a £50. Amp ?

Some would. Pick up some £4k ex-demo speakers and connect them to a Nobsound amp. To which they'll either say it sounds amazing, or end up disappointed because it doesn't sound the mutt's.

 

[Dave_]

Would you spend £2000 on speakers then connect it to a £50. Amp ?

Same applies to a £2000 TV would you conect it to a poor broad band connection when its capable of HD & 4K picture ?

By that argument why would you feed a £2k TV a highly compressed UHD stream that maxes out around 25Mbps, or any broadcast content whatsoever for that matter, rather than a 4K BD?!

 

[davidf]

By that argument why would you feed a £2k TV a highly compressed UHD stream that maxes out around 25Mbps, or any broadcast content whatsoever for that matter, rather than a 4K BD?!

Most people do.

 

[Shrek]

Ive had my Fibre now just over a week @ £28.99 a month .Very happy with the speed and setup, today i noticed on EE the same package was now £25.99 a month how does that work. Decided to give them a call they had to set up a new contract @ £25.99 a month 45 mins on the phone 🙈,but i got the lower price at no extra cost and no increase this year.😀

 

[Jasonovich]

Ive had my Fibre now just over a week @ £28.99 a month .Very happy with the speed and setup, today i noticed on EE the same package was now £25.99 a month how does that work. Decided to give them a call they had to set up a new contract @ £25.99 a month 45 mins on the phone 🙈,but i got the lower price at no extra cost and no increase this year.😀

Well done! That's £36 saved for the whole year.

Virgin Media are rubbish with their existing customers, we pay more than new customers joining.
Every year prior to my contract expiring, I ring up and ask them to fix me up with a better deal or I'm going over to EE, I usually get more than a few quid knocked off each month.

I only wish I can be a bit more pro-active with my car insurance, I've stuck with LV for several years now.

 

[Shrek]

Well done! That's £36 saved for the whole year.

Virgin Media are rubbish with their existing customers, we pay more than new customers joining.
Every year prior to my contract expiring, I ring up and ask them to fix me up with a better deal or I'm going over to EE, I usually get more than a few quid knocked off each month.

I only wish I can be a bit more pro-active with my car insurance, I've stuck with LV for several years now.

I change my car insurance to a new cheaper provider every year always worth using the compare sites.I think I've been through all the major insurers now 😀

 

[Jasonovich]

I change my car insurance to a new cheaper provider every year always worth using the compare sites.I think I've been through all the major insurers now 😀

I should do the same 🙂

 

[Shrek]

I should do the same 🙂

Also you should always insure it at least a month before the renewal is due.If you leave it until the last few days it will be more expensive ,that's insurance companies for you.

 

[Dave_]

Also you should always insure it at least a month before the renewal is due.If you leave it until the last few days it will be more expensive ,that's insurance companies for you.

26 days is the optimum.

Many insurance companies won't even quote you more than month from renewal.

Martin Lewis aka The Money Saving Expert unsurprisingly has a very good guide for getting the best car insurance deals on his website

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/car-insurance/how-to-get-cheap-car-insurance/#buying

 

[davidf]

On the 12th, I had 181 drop outs. A downtime of 2 hours. That almost matched the whole previous 7 days.

 

[Shrek]

On the 12th, I had 181 drop outs. A downtime of 2 hours. That almost matched the whole previous 7 days.

That's the reason i got so fed up with my copper connection so inconsistent and unreliable .
I then got a 4G router has i have good signal here that was a 100% improvement getting about 50mbps on average.This new fibre is a game changer 100% consistent 150mbps all the time.

 

[davidf]

That's the reason i got so fed up with my copper connection so inconsistent and unreliable .
I then got a 4G router has i have good signal here that was a 100% improvement getting about 50mbps on average.This new fibre is a game changer 100% consistent 150mbps all the time.

If they'd hurry up and install the fibre connection, they wouldn't have to worry about trying to sort out the existing line issue.

 

[Cricketbat70]

I was amazed when full fibre came to my little town I thought we'd be last on the list. The open reach engineers came out during the pandemic to lay fibre from the street cabinets to the telegraph pole. When I said i was amazed to one of the engineers. His reply was "only 5% of the UK population live in big cities where other companies are doing the fibre, the rest of the population live in rural areas, BT have invested billions in rolling out fibre to rural areas before anyone has even signed up for it" With our experience of BT we didn't go with them with full fibre.
We also now have a virgin media street cabinet about 6inches from our gable end wall.

 

[Dave_]

I was amazed when full fibre came to my little town I thought we'd be last on the list. The open reach engineers came out during the pandemic to lay fibre from the street cabinets to the telegraph pole. When I said i was amazed to one of the engineers. His reply was "only 5% of the UK population live in big cities where other companies are doing the fibre, the rest of the population live in rural areas,

The Openreach engineer was talking shite.

The majority of population live in cities and the suburbs.

BT have invested billions in rolling out fibre to rural areas before anyone has even signed up for it"

Again, that's largely shite.

Altnets such as Gigaclear and others have also targeted rural areas.

But, much of the rural rollout has also been publicly funded, via BDUK because it's commercially unviable to roll out otherwise, with Openreach and various altnets all bidding for the contracts/funding

And BT/Openreach have had to be dragged kicking and screaming with threats of further regulation and being broken up to get to where we are with their current rollout/investment plans too.

 

[jjbomber]

"only 5% of the UK population live in big cities ...''

More than 5% live in London!

 

[Cricketbat70]

More than 5% live in London!

I did think he was talking *******. Even when I was in High School in the 80's I think London was 10% of the UK population.

 

[Cricketbat70]

The Openreach engineer was talking shite.

The majority of population live in cities and the suburbs.



Again, that's largely shite.

Altnets such as Gigaclear and others have also targeted rural areas.

But, much of the rural rollout has also been publicly funded, via BDUK because it's commercially unviable to roll out otherwise, with Openreach and various altnets all bidding for the contracts/funding

And BT/Openreach have had to be dragged kicking and screaming with threats of further regulation and being broken up to get to where we are with their current rollout/investment plans too.

I wasn't going to argue with him but I did think he was talking rubbish. It was his response to me saying, "I thought our little town would be last on the list for fibre, we're usually last for anything."I don't even class us as rural. OK we are only a town of 10,000 and we are 20 mins drive from the Yorkshire dales but in the other direction we are 15 mins drive from an urban sprawl that starts in Colne and goes beyond Blackburn.