Bi/Di Pole or Direct Radiating in 5.1

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Sigh, now where did you get that? My dipoles are not close to my ears at all.

As stated before: one of them is very close to a back wall, the other one is in the middle of my lounge with a couple of metres of open space 360 degs around them, and both of them are at 150 cm's high, or 30 cm above ear level.

It's a sizeable and difficult lounge (an odd L shape that's 14 metres long and between 4 and 7 metres wide) but I'm very happy with the way the dipoles are able to "fill" the room with ambient sounds, even with one of them in a less than ideal position.
 
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Yes I appreciate the difference between dipoles and bipoles, thank you.

I have not mentioned bipoles once in this thread since I have no experience with them, and because they're so different. I still don't see what that has to do with having to place dipoles about 2 meters behind the listening position like you said. It is common knowledge that bipoles can be used as rear speakers though.

Edit: it is exactly because of the difference between di and bipole configurations that it's confusing to talk about "di/bipole" speakers. Granted, the OP did so because his speakers of choice can operate in both modes, but then so did you, only adding to the confusion since the OP was talking about positioning them next to the listening position, where they should clearly be used in dipole setting. In other words: I don't feel bipoles are relevant in this thread.

KavinOK -There is no confusion here , but appaerently u missing the point , i was just telling the man that to get the full benifit out of these speakers or any surround speakers then they should be placed a little away from the listener about 2 meters -infact it,s not at all recommanded to place surround speakers next and too close to the listner as you have mentioned -and so i was telling him that if he can save some money by buying a conventional speakers then he should just do it , but latter it turn out that di/bi pol. are even cheaper than a direct conventional speakers, which fine and he can buy what ever he want, but he,s not going to get the full effect of them by placing them so close to him
 
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Right, just to clarify (did anyone else miss my point?). This thread is about speakers being placed close to a backwall and next to the listening position. It is not about the distance between speakers and the listening position.

This thread took a turn in that direction when you stated that bi/dipoles should be 2 metres behind the listening position, which is just wrong when using dipoles as surround speakers, which I think the OP wants to do.

I have never stated that dipoles should be "close to the listener", I just corrected you by saying they should be next to the listening position ("next" says something about the relative position to the listener, not their proximity, "next" is *not* the same as "near"...).
 
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KevinOK:
This thread is about speakers being placed close to a backwall and next to the listening position. It is not about the distance between speakers and the listening position.

Yes Correct -and i didn,t say that he CAN,T , i was just trying to make the man aware of the fact that he will not get the full effect and benifit from these speakers being located so close to the listner..... i hope i have been clear enough on that point...
 
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im buying the ma bronze dipole/bipoles tmw , my couch is right against the back wall of my lounge , there is a recess on the wall to my right of about 1.5 metres , from chimney breast to rear wall , my actual sitting position is in between this , im wondering where to position them ? perhaps 750mm from the rear wall ? which would actually be directly either side of me , does this sound right ? cheers ...
 

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Gee this thread has become out of control. Lets try to sort this out.

My lounge room is L shaped. about 7x 3.5m to 5m at the larger end. The display is at the 3.5m. 7m long to the lounge at the 5m end. One suround speaker will be in the corner "IN LINE" with the listener about 2m to the side, but only 30cm off the rear wall, The other will be about 1m to the side and also only 30cm off the rear wall.

My question now is, what is the best position IN MY SITUATION.

To use the bi/di poles in the positions mentioned above. or to use direct radiating the that position.

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Placing di/bi pole speakers still, 2 meters to the side, but slighting in front of the listener on one side by 1.5m about 20 degrees, and the other, still 1m to the side but slightly in front of the listener by 1.5m at about 30 degrees

I hope this clears the air,
 
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FrankHarveyHiFi:
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Haha yeah i will. now how to upload it?
 
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FrankHarveyHiFi:
Wicked!!

Although slightly sinister with the three crosses on the hill.......
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i was possessed at the time
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Gee this thread has become out of control. Lets try to sort this out.

My lounge room is L shaped. about 7x 3.5m to 5m at the larger end. The display is at the 3.5m. 7m long to the lounge at the 5m end. One suround speaker will be in the corner "IN LINE" with the listener about 2m to the side, but only 30cm off the rear wall, The other will be about 1m to the side and also only 30cm off the rear wall.

My question now is, what is the best position IN MY SITUATION.

To use the bi/di poles in the positions mentioned above. or to use direct radiating the that position.

OR

Placing di/bi pole speakers still, 2 meters to the side, but slighting in front of the listener on one side by 1.5m about 20 degrees, and the other, still 1m to the side but slightly in front of the listener by 1.5m at about 30 degrees

I hope this clears the air,

Your first option with the speakers set to dipole sounds like the way to go. But then why not experiment with the second option with the dipoles as well?

30 cm's clearance is by no means ideal, but they're still going to diffuse the sound a lot more than direct firing speakers will. Especially if you use some of the suggestions in this thread.
 
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david , what do you think about pairing a marantz cd6003 with a nad c326bee and br5s ? a good match ? as opposed to the more bassier nadc545bee ? im getting more than enough bass as is through my br5s ..using the sony bdps363 as the cd player..
 
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jokerpaulonline:maxflinn:

FrankHarveyHiFi:

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looking at your picture, I think your sub is in the wrong place
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maxflinn:jokerpaulonline:maxflinn:

FrankHarveyHiFi:

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looking at your picture, I think your sub is in the wrong place
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i was just looking and thinking iam i looking at a sub
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maxflinn:david , what do you think about pairing a marantz cd6003 with a nad c326bee and br5s ? a good match ? as opposed to the more bassier nadc545bee ? im getting more than enough bass as is through my br5s ..using the sony bdps363 as the cd player..

I think we're breaking 'thread etiquette'
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But briefly, if you're already getting enough bass, the 6003 would be a better bet than the NAD. Either way, your CD's will sound a whole lot better
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Nice picture Max. Looks about the same quality of your panasonic,

I dont mind jokes., but would love an answer
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well , i got my bipole/dipole rears today , ive not hung them on the wall yet , ive just got them sitting on the corner shelves my br1s were on , first impressions are very good , much more involving , just better for surround sound , so , job done , my home cinema is complete apart from a nice av cabinet
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gonna hang these babies tmw , my dealer says they should be at ear level , but ive seen a few posts saying they should be higher , does anyone have any views on this ?? cheers ....
 
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markjaspi:
I have the RXFX, and one of the rear channels is sbout 1m of the rear wall (due to the shape of the room) and there are no issues with the surround field, I am sure you will be very happy with them.

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maxflinn:gonna hang these babies tmw , my dealer says they should be at ear level , but ive seen a few posts saying they should be higher , does anyone have any views on this ?? cheers ....

B/4 I fitted mine I rang MA tech and they advised approx 2ft above ear level on side walls.
 
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Hey Max,

Where are you new FX positioned in relation to the listener?
 

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