Better mastered music could be on the way!

[steve_1979]

Linn's sound quality should be taken in context ie. compared with the quality that is generally available in the market place. If there is any other label who consistently exceeds Linn's sound quality, I would like to hear about it.

As I have said previously, it would be a great achievement to have everybody else in the industry, match the sound quality set by Linn.

IMO. Going after the record company who shows "best practice for the industry", though interesting, is not the right battle.

You make some good points here Cno.

I know that I'm repeating myself again but it is worth remembering that the quality of Linns music is exellent. The sound quality is miles better than almost all of the pop music that you get nowadays and is on a par with some of the high quality classical recordings that I've heard.

Whilst I obviously think that they should offer the studio masters in all formats and make it clearer to their customers exactly which mastered version of the music they're buying I also think that they should be commended for the high quality of music that they offer. It's also worth noting that most of the other record companies don't even offer the studio master version to the public at all and we're forced to listen to the crippled CD master with reduced limited range.

 

[CnoEvil]

I know that I'm repeating myself again but it is worth remembering that the quality of Linns music is exellent. The sound quality is miles better than almost all of the pop music that you get nowadays and is on a par with some of the high quality classical recordings that I've heard.

Whilst I obviously think that they should offer the studio masters in all formats and make it clear to their customers exactly which mastered version of the music they're buying I also think that they should be commended for the high quality of music that they offer. It's also worth noting that most of the other record companies don't even offer the studio master version to the public at all and we're forced to listen to the crippled CD master with reduced limited range.

IMO. I think your points are fair, but your "fight "needs to be made more generalized.

It's a bit like complaining that BMW has limited their M5 to 150 mph, when the vast majority of people are driving around in electric milk floats!

 

[Overdose]

Guys, the law is not mine to dictate and it is not something that is really up for discussion. My comment was on a statement that I found objectionable and there is a distinction between what I find objectionable and what is legal or not.

Be aware that this is actually a public forum and if you are admitting to some wrong doing, the whole world can see it.

There really is nothing else to say on the matter, so I won't and we can all get back to music (legally sourced of course).

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry (I'm not), you completely miss the point. He isn't distributing to anyone but himself, and where do you get thousands of pounds from? He's certainly hardly one of those people "da feds" are out to get!

What a pathetic judgmental post.

That post was in defence of you, you idiot. Thanks for confirming everyone's suspicions.

I’m genially sorry. I’m posting from offshore in west Africa and I’m into the 8th week doing 14 to 16 hour day’s so I’m probably shattered and jumping to the wrong conclusions. Rather than going back reading the threads I just read the one above. Apologies mate.

We are all music lovers from all walks of life with a common bond. Getting the best out of music. I might not agree with some of Steve’s posts but I do admire what he is trying to achieve and totally agree the best sound quality should be across the board rather than priced as if it’s a bottle of wine

 

[Overdose]

Sorry (I'm not), you completely miss the point. He isn't distributing to anyone but himself, and where do you get thousands of pounds from? He's certainly hardly one of those people "da feds" are out to get!

What a pathetic judgmental post.

That post was in defence of you, you idiot. Thanks for confirming everyone's suspicions.

I’m genially sorry. I’m posting from offshore in west Africa and I’m into the 8th week doing 14 to 16 hour day’s so I’m probably shattered and jumping to the wrong conclusions. Rather than going back reading the threads I just read the one above. Apologies mate.

We are all music lovers from all walks of life with a common bond. Getting the best out of music. I might not agree with some of Steve’s posts but I do admire what he is trying to achieve and totally agree the best sound quality should be across the board rather than priced as if it’s a bottle of wine

!

 

[manicm]

You may be technically right regarding the law. You have the right to find said action to be objectionable. But we have the right to disagree with you. And you do come across as wanting to put the fear of God, or rather the law into said posters. And I can equally and rationally find that objectionable as well, as firstly this is not a forum to post threats, veiled or otherwise, and secondly as I do not see Mirrenboy committing piracy, or profiteering in anyway possible.

 

[BenLaw]

Wow, look where you get with calling someone an idiot. I should try this robust approach in future.

 

[CnoEvil]

I should try this robust approach in future.

What you?

Surely not!

 

[MajorFubar]

Hmmm where was all this attitude when I was lobbocking BigColz a few weeks ago when he openly admitted he regularly downloads music illegally and he doesn't think it's a big issue. All I got told is that I was a sanctimonious so-and-so. Tell a lie I think Ben did at least back me up.

 

[CnoEvil]

Hmmm where was all this attitude when I was lobbocking BigColz a few weeks ago when he openly admitted he regularly downloads music illegally and he doesn't think it's a big issue. All I got told is that I was a sanctimonious so-and-so. Tell a lie I think Ben did at least back me up.

TBF There is a difference in the two cases.

 

[manicm]

BenLaw, if you're in total agreement with Overdose don't you think your avatar is ironic? That whole album was Roger Waters' reflection on the music industry a good 37 years ago. And that reflection was entirely cynical and unpleasant. Just as unpleasant as your robustly idiotic comment prior to this.

 

[BenLaw]

Hmmm where was all this attitude when I was lobbocking BigColz a few weeks ago when he openly admitted he regularly downloads music illegally and he doesn't think it's a big issue. All I got told is that I was a sanctimonious so-and-so. Tell a lie I think Ben did at least back me up.

I did indeed And I agree with OD on this one but tend to have a break between having the sane fights! (Especially if it involves trying to engage with a WUM like mirren boy.)

 

[steve_1979]

IMO. I think your points are fair, but your "fight "needs to be made more generalized.

I agree.

The issue of the 'loudness war' is aimed at all of the music industry and Linn is better than most of the other record labels where sound quality and dynamic range issues are concerned.

Earlier in this thread I was asked to compare files from other companies that offer hi-rez music in various different formats. I've been too busy to do it this week but I will get around to looking into it soon...

 

[manicm]

'openly admitted he regularly downloads music illegally and he doesn't think it's a big issue'

And that criminally equates to MirrenBoy wanting to give away/sell his CDs while keeping them ripped? Well let me pose this to OD; say you had a chunk of CDs which you ripped on your hard drive, and now those CDs get stolen, do you now wipe off that hard drive?

Yeah right.

 

[MajorFubar]

Hmmm where was all this attitude when I was lobbocking BigColz a few weeks ago when he openly admitted he regularly downloads music illegally and he doesn't think it's a big issue. All I got told is that I was a sanctimonious so-and-so. Tell a lie I think Ben did at least back me up.

TBF There is a difference in the two cases.

Absolutely. Mirren Boy at least bought his CDs to start with.

Sorry for digressing.

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmm where was all this attitude when I was lobbocking BigColz a few weeks ago when he openly admitted he regularly downloads music illegally and he doesn't think it's a big issue. All I got told is that I was a sanctimonious so-and-so. Tell a lie I think Ben did at least back me up.

I did indeed And I agree with OD on this one but tend to have a break between having the sane fights! (Especially if it involves trying to engage with a WUM like mirren boy.)

Disagreements fine , fights sounds more like spitting the dummy out just because you don’t agree with someone.

 

[CnoEvil]

Earlier in this thread I was asked to compare files from other companies that offer hi-rez music in various different formats. I've been too busy to do it this week but I will get around to looking into it soon...

...of this I have little doubt.

I also believe it will be done in a fair, neutral and non-judgemental manor.......so I look forward to (but have an ominous feeling about) what you will expose!

:beer: :beer:

Cno

 

[manicm]

Earlier in this thread I was asked to compare files from other companies that offer hi-rez music in various different formats. I've been too busy to do it this week but I will get around to looking into it soon...

...of this I have little doubt.

I also believe it will be done in a fair, neutral and non-judgemental manor.......so I look forward to (but have an ominous feeling about) what you will expose!

:beer: :beer:

Cno

manor? And no hayfights please :rofl:

 

[the record spot]

128kbps and upwards??? Ha ha ha ha, THIS is why I would take 6 months, to avoid drivel like this. So suddenly we need golden ears to tell against even 128k?? You cannot be serious.

My word, all those people like Mirrenboy who spend 20k on Linn hifi must really be stupid. You're quite brave to imply that to them dear chap. As for Linn giving all those demonstrations comparing MP3s to lossless music on their systems - what a monumental waste of time and money, especially since NO-ONE can tell the difference.

Bye now, and this time I think I'll take 12 months.

Spoken like a petulant five year old. Once you're ready to engage in a reasoned debate, etc. Oh and if you are going to comment on file compression, maybe these days try and come across like you're not reading from a hifi magazine from 1998 as your source.

Anyone wanting to spend £20k or more on a system is buying into something a little more than just music replay IMO. Whether that is cache, brand appeal/marque, design philosophy (not just audio), whatever. And Linn is probably a poor example if they're comparing the kind of MP3s and FLAC files Steve 1979's investigated of late.

But I can save you the bother; find the same mastering, good quality, good dynamic range, then rip a few versions. Oh, I know you say you can tell a difference, but the reality is significantly to the contrary for most and I suspect you'd fit slap bang in that category, for all your protestations.

Good call on finding the italic function's working by the way...now, where's that rolleyes thingy again....

 

[Anonymous]

Totally in agreement about piracy and illegal downloading it’s bad for artists and the music business.

 

[CnoEvil]

manor? And no hayfights please :rofl:

:rofl:

It's late and I'm frazzled!

 

[the record spot]

Prove me wrong then Manic...lol. Look, if it's too difficult for you and all...

 

[BenLaw]

'openly admitted he regularly downloads music illegally and he doesn't think it's a big issue'

And that criminally equates to MirrenBoy wanting to give away/sell his CDs while keeping them ripped? Well let me pose this to OD; say you had a chunk of CDs which you ripped on your hard drive, and now those CDs get stolen, do you now wipe off that hard drive?

Yeah right.

No, you re-purchase them with your insurance money. I have ensured both my CD and DVD / blu ray collections are fully insured, as I am sure everyone else with any sense has.

 

[manicm]

128kbps and upwards??? Ha ha ha ha, THIS is why I would take 6 months, to avoid drivel like this. So suddenly we need golden ears to tell against even 128k?? You cannot be serious.

My word, all those people like Mirrenboy who spend 20k on Linn hifi must really be stupid. You're quite brave to imply that to them dear chap. As for Linn giving all those demonstrations comparing MP3s to lossless music on their systems - what a monumental waste of time and money, especially since NO-ONE can tell the difference.

Bye now, and this time I think I'll take 12 months.

Spoken like a petulant five year old. Once you're ready to engage in a reasoned debate, etc. Oh and if you are going to comment on file compression, maybe these days try and come across like you're not reading from a hifi magazine from 1998 as your source.

Anyone wanting to spend £20k or more on a system is buying into something a little more than just music replay IMO. Whether that is cache, brand appeal/marque, design philosophy (not just audio), whatever. And Linn is probably a poor example if they're comparing the kind of MP3s and FLAC files Steve 1979's investigated of late.

But I can save you the bother; find the same mastering, good quality, good dynamic range, then rip a few versions. Oh, I know you say you can tell a difference, but the reality is significantly to the contrary for most and I suspect you'd fit slap bang in that category, for all your protestations.

Good call on finding the italic function's working by the way...now, where's that rolleyes thingy again....

Stuck Record Spot. And in case you can't read properly (and indeed you did not read my post properly), I made no judgement whatsoever in Mirrenboy having a 20,000 quid system. Then again irony isn't quite in your vocabulary is it?? And why your obsession about 1998 compression editorials? Trust me, I never read any of those. I only started ripping music, in any format, shape or form years later.

Steve's diagnostics are admirable, but I really just care to enjoy the music and not read and analyse and scrutinise its inner bits and bytes. I gladly leave that to your ilk. And it's certainly right to mock me if I find 128k audio detestable and appalling, no matter how good the recording may be.

Hopefully this will leave you unstuck, so the great stylus in the sky may squeeze more melodious, pleasant and sensible words out of your mouth, rather than the inane and banal insults that emanate from your brain.

BYE NOW.

 

[the record spot]

No, you re-purchase them with your insurance money. I have ensured both my CD and DVD / blu ray collections are fully insured, as I am sure everyone else with any sense has.

Yep, and keep the receipts if one is so inclined. Spending £90 on a 2TB hard drive is additional insurance for backups to prevent the physical loss of one.