AudioT - Chord System Tuning

[stavvy]

http://www.audiot.co.uk/news/chord-co-hifi-cable-tuning-workshops-at-audiot-bristol-swindon-reading-brentwood-in-november/

Anyone going to this in Bristol? I'm neutral on the whole cable thing (and please don't think this post is another do they / don't they make a difference question) but it would be good to hear a proper demonstration of the cables in a dedicated environment, even if it isn't a blind test.

Regardless I'm going to try and get away from work to go along, if nothing else it gives me a chance to listen to a system I can't afford! Always been interested in Sugden amps too.

 

[cheeseboy]

regardless of my views on cables, this just looks like a very large advertising ploy to try and get you to buy cables. Really imho there's absolutely no point in doing this as it's all going to sound sooooooo different when you go home and try these things at home. That's the only place you are really going to know if it makes any difference to you, not sat in a room with somebody telling you what difference the cable should be making (ie suggestive queues)....

 

[Craig M.]

I'd rather floss my teeth with a tramps underpants.

 

[chebby]

I'd rather floss my teeth with a tramps underpants.

Not whilst he's still wearing them I hope.

 

[spiny norman]

Agree completely with both the replies so far: there is absolutely no point in being open-minded and making a decision for yourself after hearing what they have to say at the event.

You are clearly easily led and unable to form your own opinions: DON'T GO or the nasty men will work their evil magic on you. ;-)

 

[cheeseboy]

Agree completely with both the replies so far: there is absolutely no point in being open-minded and making a decision for yourself after hearing what they have to say at the event.

But it's not an open minded event, it's a cable love in circle jerk whereby they are going to define what you hear before they change the cables, and lo and behold, people will hear those exact suggestions. Unless you think it's really going to be some kind of fair representation? It's just a big sales pitch, you may as well go to time share sales routine...

You are clearly easily led and unable to form your own opinions: DON'T GO or the nasty men will work their evil magic on you. ;-)

One can also form the opinion of not bothering to go because of said reasons ;p

 

[CnoEvil]

This is all making my teeth itch.....now where did I leave those underpants?

FWIW. Go listen. Have fun. Report back.

 

[spiny norman]

But it's not an open minded event, it's a cable love in circle jerk whereby they are going to define what you hear before they change the cables, and lo and behold, people will hear those exact suggestions. Unless you think it's really going to be some kind of fair representation? It's just a big sales pitch, you may as well go to time share sales routine...

Again, try crediting the OP with sufficient common sense to form an opinion on what takes place at the event, rather than assuming a) that you know what will take place and b) how the OP will react.

Unless you're again suggesting that everyone else is a sheep, and you know better, as you seem to be doing.

 

[cheeseboy]

But it's not an open minded event, it's a cable love in circle jerk whereby they are going to define what you hear before they change the cables, and lo and behold, people will hear those exact suggestions. Unless you think it's really going to be some kind of fair representation? It's just a big sales pitch, you may as well go to time share sales routine...

Again, try crediting the OP with sufficient common sense to form an opinion on what takes place at the event, rather than assuming a) that you know what will take place and b) how the OP will react.

I've been to one, I know what happens, that's why I'm saying it Have you been to one, do you know what happens?

Unless you're again suggesting that everyone else is a sheep, and you know better, as you seem to be doing.

yes, because when you are in a room all focusing on one thing, and then they suggest x will happen, it's actually very hard not to get drawn in. This is pretty basic phsychology and fools most people. It's also been done quite few times before to prove the opposite, IE lots of people in room listening to something, they are told something has changed, they all hear the change, yet none has happened.

 

[spiny norman]

I've been to one, I know what happens, that's why I'm saying it. Have you been to one, do you know what happens?

Yes, and yes.

when you are in a room all focusing on one thing, and then they suggest x will happen, it's actually very hard not to get drawn in. This is pretty basic phsychology and fools most people. It's also been done quite few times before to prove the opposite, IE lots of people in room listening to something, they are told something has changed, they all hear the change, yet none has happened.

You sure this was an audio demonstration, and not a Doris Stokes show? You're clearly much more suggestible than I.

 

[Vladimir]

There you can easily meet a better dentist or a lawyer than the ones you have. Much easier (cheaper) than going to a country club to play tennis or golf.

 

[chebby]

I've been to one, I know what happens, that's why I'm saying it. Have you been to one, do you know what happens?

Yes, and yes.

when you are in a room all focusing on one thing, and then they suggest x will happen, it's actually very hard not to get drawn in. This is pretty basic phsychology and fools most people. It's also been done quite few times before to prove the opposite, IE lots of people in room listening to something, they are told something has changed, they all hear the change, yet none has happened.

You sure this was an audio demonstration, and not a Doris Stokes show? You're clearly much more suggestible than I.

There must be a happy medium between such spirited arguments.

 

[cheeseboy]

There must be a happy medium between such spirited arguments.

 

[nopiano]

I went to a Chord demo a few years ago at another dealer. After about twenty minutes acclimatising to the room and system, the only other customers left. I then had over an hour with the Chord guy, listening to a Keb Mo CD and various cable sets. I had no money itching to be spent, I was more interested in the very fine Naim and PMC system being used.

There were audible differences in the four sets of cables used. I didn't much like one of the mid-range ones, preferring their entry level. But the totaly unaffordable top range was noticeably superior, to an extent I was not expecting. Returning to the entry level cable system was a notable downgrade. And before anyone thinks I was duped by volume changes, the set was turned off and the volume untouched.

Do, please, go to the demo - and if you don't like it, say so. [I did that once at a show, and the guy realised he'd messed up a connection!] If you do like it, then maybe we aren't all deluded souls with a penchant for snake oil.

 

[drummerman]

Many a moon ago, when I was still young, beautiful and virile, well ... young and beautiful ... ok younger ... I took part in blind test of cables at WHS&V.

We all thought we detected differences and whilst my fellow testers agreed broadly with each other if I remember correctly, I had other ideas of what sounded 'better'

Anyways, my choice ended up being the cheapest set. - I came out with little more knowledge other than that cables can influence sound, be that because of peer/event pressure or some electrical factors.

regards

PS. Is it just me or are pages on this awfully newly designed forum loading slower and slower? (Not slow enough for me some of you may suggest . - I think the page has loaded, click on thread and then find it takes me back to the main page ... . I am sure if women were involved in the design of this forum it would be much more decisive

 

[stavvy]

Oops looks like a lot of replies since I last checked, thanks everyone for your thoughts! I like to think after having competed a 5 year masters degree in chemistry and coming towers the end of a PhD in aerospace engineering I am well versed in analysing any differences (I'd there is such a thing) due to my own analytical thought process rather than psychological manipulation and hocus pocus! Although I appreciate what has been said about how easy it is to be drawn in. I was more thinking I want to go to to disprove any notion that cables make a difference.I also appreciate what others have said that is not necessarily the expensive cables that sounds best (if indeed they sound different). If nothing else I fancy going to listen to a set up which I can't afford at the moment. I've always wanted to hear sugden amps too as I've heard good things about them but never had the chance to listen to one.

 

[stavvy]

Although as nopiano said, I don't want to be the only person there, trapped in a pseudo science hell

 

[nopiano]

Although as nopiano said, I don't want to be the only person there, trapped in a pseudo science hell

You can always excuse yourself, stavvy! However, I'm sure you will enjoy it, and be able to use your deep expertise in scientific matters to keep you sane!

 

[stavvy]

Although as nopiano said, I don't want to be the only person there, trapped in a pseudo science hell

You can always excuse yourself, stavvy! However, I'm sure you will enjoy it, and be able to use your deep expertise in scientific matters to keep you sane!

hopefully you are right!

 

[cheeseboy]

Oops looks like a lot of replies since I last checked, thanks everyone for your thoughts! I like to think after having competed a 5 year masters degree in chemistry and coming towers the end of a PhD in aerospace engineering I am well versed in analysing any differences (I'd there is such a thing) due to my own analytical thought process rather than psychological manipulation and hocus pocus! Although I appreciate what has been said about how easy it is to be drawn in. I was more thinking I want to go to to disprove any notion that cables make a difference.I also appreciate what others have said that is not necessarily the expensive cables that sounds best (if indeed they sound different). If nothing else I fancy going to listen to a set up which I can't afford at the moment. I've always wanted to hear sugden amps too as I've heard good things about them but never had the chance to listen to one.

don't be surprised if the suggestions work though, it's a very hard thing for the human brain to overcome, neigh almost impossible, but either way, if you're just going along to have a bit of fun then enjoy it, and you'll know yourself if it's getting too sales heavy or suggestion heavy then you can either make your excuses and leave, go all science on their ass, or just sit back and enjoy the music

 

[spiny norman]

don't be surprised if the suggestions work though, it's a very hard thing for the human brain to overcome

neigh almost impossible

 

[cheeseboy]

don't be surprised if the suggestions work though, it's a very hard thing for the human brain to overcome

neigh almost impossible