Audiophile grade mains fuses

[Anonymous]

True Blue:
Cyril,

All I know is that Trev69 comments are at least backed up with a bit of explanation. My attempts to involve physics could not tempt you to divugle your "what you appear to think is superior intellect?" . Please if you have a valid view backed up with actual facts or are speaking from a position of authority, then share, pray tell with us mere mortals. Otherwise you just appear, as Trev said, to have very little weight to any argument / discussion you may enter.

I'm not claiming to have a superior intellect, just correcting the continuously repeated fallacies on here.

 

[Anonymous]

daveh75:
Well you cant argue with Ohm's law but IMHO, the difference in resistance between a standard wire and a silver plated one at the piddly short length's were talking in a fuse must be negligible.



Exactly.

 

[Anonymous]

Electricity debates, the new cable debate...

...which side are you on???

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cyril Mason:daveh75:
Well you cant argue with Ohm's law but IMHO, the difference in resistance between a standard wire and a silver plated one at the piddly short length's were talking in a fuse must be negligible.



Exactly.

All youve agreed to there is daves OPINION

Until you try them FOR YOURSELF thats all it will ever be ~ an opinion based on what you THINK you know.

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:Cyril Mason:daveh75:
Well you cant argue with Ohm's law but IMHO, the difference in resistance between a standard wire and a silver plated one at the piddly short length's were talking in a fuse must be negligible.



Exactly.

All youve agreed to there is daves OPINION

Until you try them FOR YOURSELF thats all it will ever be ~ an opinion based on what you THINK you know.

Try them? I have fuses all over my house and workshop. Of course I've tried them.

As a matter of interest I've just measured the voltage drop on a 13A fuse loaded with an amplifier with music playing very loudly. It's zero.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cyril Mason:aliEnRIK:Cyril Mason:daveh75:
Well you cant argue with Ohm's law but IMHO, the difference in resistance between a standard wire and a silver plated one at the piddly short length's were talking in a fuse must be negligible.



Exactly.

All youve agreed to there is daves OPINION

Until you try them FOR YOURSELF thats all it will ever be ~ an opinion based on what you THINK you know.

Try them? I have fuses all over my house and workshop. Of course I've tried them.

As a matter of interest I've just measured the voltage drop on a 13A fuse loaded with an amplifier with music playing very loudly. It's zero.

When you choose your hifi components do you listen to them or measure them? How do you go about selecting them? What hifi components DO you have and what are they connected with?

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:
When you choose your hifi components do you listen to them or measure them? How do you go about selecting them? What hifi components DO you have and what are they connected with?

I listen to hi-fi and measure fuses. I think that's the correct way to do it.

Currently I have a Leak 20 valve amp, Leak 2060 speakers and a Thorens TD160 / Neat cartridge with a Sony CD player. Old, but sounds very nice to me.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cyril Mason:aliEnRIK:
When you choose your hifi components do you listen to them or measure them? How do you go about selecting them? What hifi components DO you have and what are they connected with?

I listen to hi-fi and measure fuses. I think that's the correct way to do it.

Currently I have a Leak 20 valve amp, Leak 2060 speakers and a Thorens TD160 / Neat cartridge with a Sony CD player. Old, but sounds very nice to me.

Im not about to dispute that it sounds 'very nice' to you. But you have just told us that you only LISTEN to them (And measure fuses for some unknown reason). So how do you know they sound any different to anything else? Could it not just be a PLACEBO effect that you THINK it sound 'very nice' compared to something else? Why did you chose THOSE particular components over any others and what else did you try out before buying/aquiring them?

And what does measuring a fuse actually prove?

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:
what does measuring a fuse actually prove?

How long it is and whether it works.

 

[aliEnRIK]

I see you like to avoid most questions Cyril

Id say that still points to you being quite a good electrician (possibly) but having very little knowledge on actual hifi and you like to sit at home THINKING you know it all when in fact you know so very little.............

 

[True Blue]

aliEnRIK:
I see you like to avoid most questions Cyril

Id say that still points to you being quite a good electrician (possibly) but having very little knowledge on actual hifi and you like to sit at home THINKING you know it all when in fact you know so very little.............

Well said. Getting tired of this now. Shame those who can only be negative towards others cant contribute positively towards an educated and intellectual discussion backed up with facts / knowledge.

No more from me on this topic

 

[Anonymous]

True Blue:
Shame those who can only be negative towards others cant contribute positively towards an educated and intellectual discussion backed up with facts / knowledge.

What would you like to know?

 

[Tear Drop]

aliEnRIK:
I see you like to avoid most questions Cyril

Id say that still points to you being quite a good electrician (possibly) but having very little knowledge on actual hifi and you like to sit at home THINKING you know it all when in fact you know so very little.............

Cyril's general ignorance is totally unsurprising. In my experience most electricians/electrical engineers/physicists etc etc (or those who claim or allude to having some knowledge in these fields) have very little understanding of how their discipline actually relates to real music reproduction. That is in actual fact a very rare talent which I have only come across a couple of times. Cyril is clearly not one of those people. As such I think his comments are best either i) ignored, or ii) seen as a source of some mild amusement. Don't let him get your backs up because he is more in the dark than he will ever know.

 

[Anonymous]

Tear Drop:aliEnRIK:
I see you like to avoid most questions Cyril

Id say that still points to you being quite a good electrician (possibly) but having very little knowledge on actual hifi and you like to sit at home THINKING you know it all when in fact you know so very little.............

Cyril's general ignorance is totally unsurprising. In my experience most electricians/electrical engineers/physicists etc etc (or those who claim or allude to having some knowledge in these fields) have very little understanding of how their discipline actually relates to real music reproduction. That is in actual fact a very rare talent which I have only come across a couple of times. Cyril is clearly not one of those people. As such I think his comments are best either i) ignored, or ii) seen as a source of some mild amusement. Don't let him get your backs up because he is more in the dark than he will ever know.

Ad hominem, the sure sign of a lost argument.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to precisely how a mains lead or a fuse can affect the sound of reproduction.

I'll give you a clue, they don't.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cyril Mason:Tear Drop:aliEnRIK:
I see you like to avoid most questions Cyril

Id say that still points to you being quite a good electrician (possibly) but having very little knowledge on actual hifi and you like to sit at home THINKING you know it all when in fact you know so very little.............

Cyril's general ignorance is totally unsurprising. In my experience most electricians/electrical engineers/physicists etc etc (or those who claim or allude to having some knowledge in these fields) have very little understanding of how their discipline actually relates to real music reproduction. That is in actual fact a very rare talent which I have only come across a couple of times. Cyril is clearly not one of those people. As such I think his comments are best either i) ignored, or ii) seen as a source of some mild amusement. Don't let him get your backs up because he is more in the dark than he will ever know.

Ad hominem, the sure sign of a lost argument.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to precisely how a mains lead or a fuse can affect the sound of reproduction.

I'll give you a clue, they don't.

Russ Andrews research papers

Wether you like it or not ~ mains cables have MEASUREABLY (Something you love to do

) effected amps

Heres a clue back to you ~ they do

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:

Russ Andrews research papers

Where does that say anything about how mains cables and fuses affect the sound? It's completely irrelevant to the discussion, try again.

 

[VoodooDoctor]

I have a couple of mains cable upgrades and Tacima mains conditioners but I'm still not sure that they make a huge amount of difference. I took the Onkyo 905 off the Tacima and think it sounds better plugged directly into the wall. Maybe I just like my Mains dirty ;-)

I really struggle with the concept of a fuse making a substantial amount of difference, though.

 

[Anonymous]

VoodooDoctor:I have a couple of mains cable upgrades and Tacima mains conditioners but I'm still not sure that they make a huge amount of difference. I took the Onkyo 905 off the Tacima and think it sounds better plugged directly into the wall. Maybe I just like my Mains dirty ;-)

I really struggle with the concept of a fuse making a substantial amount of difference, though.

A Tacima is worthwhile purely because of the protection against surges that it provides. I know someone that had all of his gear destroyed by a freak supply surge, not nice. I don't know how this sound improvement rubbish started but it's about time it was laid to rest IMO.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cyril Mason:aliEnRIK:

Russ Andrews research papers

Where does that say anything about how mains cables and fuses affect the sound? It's completely irrelevant to the discussion, try again.

So let me get this straight ~

If I 'hear' a difference using a mains cable you tell me its a placebo? If I post a link to research papers PROVING that they 'measureably' effect amps then you tell me I have to HEAR the difference?

Make your mind up Cyril ~ your just making yourself look very foolish

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cyril Mason:

VoodooDoctor:I have a couple of mains cable upgrades and Tacima mains conditioners but I'm still not sure that they make a huge amount of difference. I took the Onkyo 905 off the Tacima and think it sounds better plugged directly into the wall. Maybe I just like my Mains dirty ;-) I really struggle with the concept of a fuse making a substantial amount of difference, though.

A Tacima is worthwhile purely because of the protection against surges that it provides. I know someone that had all of his gear destroyed by a freak supply surge, not nice. I don't know how this sound improvement rubbish started but it's about time it was laid to rest IMO.

WHY even post on these forums if you dont believe in their reviews?

All your doing is geting peoples backs up (NOT mine ~ I just find you amusingly dumb

)

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:Cyril Mason:aliEnRIK:

Russ Andrews research papers

Where does that say anything about how mains cables and fuses affect the sound? It's completely irrelevant to the discussion, try again.

So let me get this straight ~

If I 'hear' a difference using a mains cable you tell me its a placebo? If I post a link to research papers PROVING that they 'measureably' effect amps then you tell me I have to HEAR the difference?

Make your mind up Cyril ~ your just making yourself look very foolish

No RFI means nothing to cure and therefore no effect to the sound. It really isn't that difficult to understand if you really try.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cyril Mason:aliEnRIK:Cyril Mason:aliEnRIK:

Russ Andrews research papers

Where does that say anything about how mains cables and fuses affect the sound? It's completely irrelevant to the discussion, try again.

So let me get this straight ~

If I 'hear' a difference using a mains cable you tell me its a placebo? If I post a link to research papers PROVING that they 'measureably' effect amps then you tell me I have to HEAR the difference?

Make your mind up Cyril ~ your just making yourself look very foolish

No RFI means nothing to cure and therefore no effect to the sound. It really isn't that difficult to understand if you really try.

So your blessed with NO rfi in your mains supply?

As i said.....your a JOKE

 

[VoodooDoctor]

alienRik, I think you are being overly personal in your comments to Cyril. He has a different viewpoint to yours, that is all.

 

[aliEnRIK]

VoodooDoctor:alienRik, I think you are being overly personal in your comments to Cyril. He has a different viewpoint to yours, that is all.

Voodoo ~ Cyril comes on here simply to upset as many people as he can that dont agree with HIS beliefs. Everyones entitled to an 'opinion', but completely damning somones beliefs is something else entirely.

Therefore I find him a JOKE. Nothing much more I can add to that.

I wont be feeding the 'JOKE TROLL' anymore

 

[Tear Drop]

Cyril Mason:Tear Drop:aliEnRIK:
I see you like to avoid most questions Cyril

Id say that still points to you being quite a good electrician (possibly) but having very little knowledge on actual hifi and you like to sit at home THINKING you know it all when in fact you know so very little.............

Cyril's general ignorance is totally unsurprising. In my experience most electricians/electrical engineers/physicists etc etc (or those who claim or allude to having some knowledge in these fields) have very little understanding of how their discipline actually relates to real music reproduction. That is in actual fact a very rare talent which I have only come across a couple of times. Cyril is clearly not one of those people. As such I think his comments are best either i) ignored, or ii) seen as a source of some mild amusement. Don't let him get your backs up because he is more in the dark than he will ever know.

Ad hominem, the sure sign of a lost argument.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to precisely how a mains lead or a fuse can affect the sound of reproduction.

I'll give you a clue, they don't.

You would need to have a clue before you gave me one Cyril, that would be logical...

...and how was my argument ad hominem? I don't remember ever discussing 'audiophile grade mains fuses' on any forum, ever, so how can I lose an argument I have never entered into? Please try harder Mr. Mason, it gets funnier as you do.