Are CD players still fashionable

[MajorFubar]

Is this a lot of us miss that we can’t even hear all the benefits of the high res formats and that CDs are in our hearing range so perfect really we all just want a much more dynamic and more detail sound from the recording

Without wanting to take your thread off topic, it's probably best to leave the well-worn hi-res debate for another thread, I just wanted you to understand that FLAC is only a lossless compression codec for storing audio files, a bit like TIFF is for photographs, it does not determine the quality of the audio

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Ortofon 2m blue at the very minimum....oh and the (moving coil)audio technica atg ptgii sound great.....and it wouldn't be long before you start wanting to up the phono stage to move into moving coils...cause your a bit like me.lol.

The Yamaha A-S3000 has both and a really good phono stage but I’ve come very close buying a turntable a couple of times now

 

[MajorFubar]

Music has almost always been a virtual thing, always heard but never seen in physical format. So there is no longing to own it.

I get what you mean, in so far music itself does not have a physical manifestation, but actually owning an album on a physical format is a big deal for me, and always was.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Is this a lot of us miss that we can’t even hear all the benefits of the high res formats and that CDs are in our hearing range so perfect really we all just want a much more dynamic and more detail sound from the recording

Without wanting to take your thread off topic, it's probably best to leave the well-worn hi-res debate for another thread, I just wanted you to understand that FLAC is only a lossless compression codec for storing audio files, a bit like TIFF is for photographs, it does not determine the quality of the audio

ok but it would be nice to fully understand the differences between CDs and high-res streaming and what you really get out of it with the human hearing .*smile*

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Music has almost always been a virtual thing, always heard but never seen in physical format. So there is no longing to own it.

I get what you mean, in so far music itself does not have a physical manifestation, but actually owning an album on a physical format is a big deal for me, and always was.

totally agree a specially with vinyl when you open a nice gatefold album and read the lyrics and artwork

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

it really doesn't look like there's much room left on that equipment rack of yours for a turntable.lol,it's heavy jam packed.....but if you do decide to buy one...for your level of kit it ain't gonni be a cheap one....do it once do it right.....rega rp 6 -10 or a Michelle gyrodec.....oooooh.

 

[newlash09]

it really doesn't look like there's much room left on that equipment rack of yours for a turntable.lol,it's heavy jam packed.....but if you do decide to buy one...for your level of kit it ain't gonni be a cheap one....do it once do it right.....rega rp 6 -10 or a Michelle gyrodec.....oooooh.

 

[MajorFubar]

totally agree a specially with vinyl when you open a nice gatefold album and read the lyrics and artwork

+1. There's an experience that goes with buying CDs and particularly LPs that's beyond just the music itself. It's totally lost to the downloading / streaming generation. Their loss, and why should I care, and I don't, except that I begrudge the fact that the indifference of the masses is a threat in the long-term to the way I choose to buy new music. in so far as if me and my kind become too much of a minority, there won't be any new CDs and records any more.

 

[newlash09]

Has looks to lust after. A work of art more than science. I could look at it all day playing nothing

Sorry, was about to post this before and only 'thag' went through...sorry

 

[newlash09]

Music has almost always been a virtual thing, always heard but never seen in physical format. So there is no longing to own it. 

I get what you mean, in so far music itself does not have a physical manifestation, but actually owning an album on a physical format is a big deal for me, and always was.

Especially vinyl, I've seen my friends handle them more lovingly than their pets

 

[BigH]

Is this a lot of us miss that we can’t even hear all the benefits of the high res formats and that CDs are in our hearing range so perfect really we all just want a much more dynamic and more detail sound from the recording

Without wanting to take your thread off topic, it's probably best to leave the well-worn hi-res debate for another thread, I just wanted you to understand that FLAC is only a lossless compression codec for storing audio files, a bit like TIFF is for photographs, it does not determine the quality of the audio

ok but it would be nice to fully understand the differences between CDs and high-res streaming and what you really get out of it with the human hearing .*smile*

Very little difference, from the tests I have seen, there was one a with musicians, sound engineers etc. only 2 of the sound engineers could pick a difference and only at very loud volumes. Basically at normal listening levels I doubt anyone would hear a difference. One difference is noise floor is higher on 16 bit, not something you would notice on Black Sabbath but maybe on quiet classical music you may at high volume. Here is one test: http://archimago.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/24-bit-vs-16-bit-audio-test-part-ii.html

 

[Blacksabbath25]

it really doesn't look like there's much room left on that equipment rack of yours for a turntable.lol,it's heavy jam packed.....but if you do decide to buy one...for your level of kit it ain't gonni be a cheap one....do it once do it right.....rega rp 6 -10 or a Michelle gyrodec.....oooooh.

You’re right there is no room on my rack it’s very full but I could buy a one shelf rack that’s just for a turntable that will go at the side of my rack or just mount the TV on the wall which would free up the top shelf on my main rack that would be the only way I could do it .

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

I'd mount the turntable on the wall instead...on a dedicated support of course.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Music has almost always been a virtual thing, always heard but never seen in physical format. So there is no longing to own it.

I get what you mean, in so far music itself does not have a physical manifestation, but actually owning an album on a physical format is a big deal for me, and always was.

Especially vinyl, I've seen my friends handle them more lovingly than their pets

The old vinyl is the best and there is loads of it around quite cheap if you no what your looking for but not sure about modern vinyl as some of that can be compressed sounding but not with the old vinyl of the 1970-80s early 90s much more dynamic sounding .

 

[insider9]

Definitely not fashionable. Major has put it nicely in his comment. I personally disagree on streaming to certain extent but can understand this point of view. Vinyl is very fashionable. But so is listening to Jazz, single malt and cigars.

Sabbath, are you thinking of getting a turntable? Add a glass of Talisker put on Kind of Blue and light up a nice Cuban. Only then you're fashionable

Oh and your going to have to swap Blacksabbath25 for MilesDavis59 *biggrin*

 

[Deleted member 108165]

I'm a CD and vinyl only man, though the CDs do get ripped. I refuse to subscribe to any streaming sites... I'm just not interested in them, I am totally fixed as to what groups I like so not taken with hearing something different every day. Rarely purchase new CDs now, generally used from the Bay, Amazon and Discogs... you can buy an awful lot of used CDs for £20 month. Was a shame that SACD never really took off as the few I own are excellent.

 

[newlash09]

The old records are certainly going cheap. But everytime I consider vinyl and go watch a un boxing video, I get scared with all the complexity involved in getting it right. Tracking force, weight etc etc....not to mention different tone arms and cartridges. I love how cool and nostalgic they look. No proper hifi setup looks complete without a vinyl spinner. But too cumbersome, and technically complex for me. Unless there was something there, that came fully assembled and all I had to do was plug the wall wart and connect the leads.

 

[newlash09]

Makes some of the most fashionable looking cd players with tubes. Could buy one just for the looks.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

It really isn't that hard to setup a budget deck newlash....the cart is usually already on....just have to put on the turntable and set the tracking weight....which isn't too difficult.......you were talking diy speaker builds not to long ago.lol...setting up a turntable would be a walk in the park compared to such a task.

 

[insider9]

Problem with cheap vinyl is that is often worn.

 

[insider9]

Problem with cheap vinyl is that is often worn.

Then you put a rubbish record to murder your lovely cart you spent so much on...

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Is this a lot of us miss that we can’t even hear all the benefits of the high res formats and that CDs are in our hearing range so perfect really we all just want a much more dynamic and more detail sound from the recording

Without wanting to take your thread off topic, it's probably best to leave the well-worn hi-res debate for another thread, I just wanted you to understand that FLAC is only a lossless compression codec for storing audio files, a bit like TIFF is for photographs, it does not determine the quality of the audio

ok but it would be nice to fully understand the differences between CDs and high-res streaming and what you really get out of it with the human hearing .*smile*

Very little difference, from the tests I have seen, there was one a with musicians, sound engineers etc. only 2 of the sound engineers could pick a difference and only at very loud volumes. Basically at normal listening levels I doubt anyone would hear a difference. One difference is noise floor is higher on 16 bit, not something you would notice on Black Sabbath but maybe on quiet classical music you may at high volume. Here is one test: http://archimago.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/24-bit-vs-16-bit-audio-test-part-ii.html

That’s interesting so they tested 140 people to see if they could tell between 16bit and 24bit and no one could tell the differences between the 2 bit rates and most of them liked the 16bit but they thought it was 24bit so basically you can’t tell the difference

 

[BigH]

I'm a CD and vinyl only man, though the CDs do get ripped. I refuse to subscribe to any streaming sites... I'm just not interested in them, I am totally fixed as to what groups I like so not taken with hearing something different every day. Rarely purchase new CDs now, generally used from the Bay, Amazon and Discogs... you can buy an awful lot of used CDs for £20 month. Was a shame that SACD never really took off as the few I own are excellent.

Streaming is great for discovering and hearing new music, much I would have never have heard without it. As I said some new artists are not available on cd. Some are still expensive even used. Yes I have bought used cds for £1.27, I don't have many qualms about it, these artists are either dead or very rich and the record companies have had enough of my money.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

I knew there were other reasons I gave it a bye......and also the new vinyl I was buying...sounded just like my cd version.lol.....you really need to find good condition old stuff...and that gets expensive.

 

[Macspur]

totally agree a specially with vinyl when you open a nice gatefold album and read the lyrics and artwork

+1. There's an experience that goes with buying CDs and particularly LPs that's beyond just the music itself. It's totally lost to the downloading / streaming generation. Their loss, and why should I care, and I don't, except that I begrudge the fact that the indifference of the masses is a threat in the long-term to the way I choose to buy new music. in so far as if me and my kind become too much of a minority, there won't be any new CDs and records any more.

Yes, this is my real concern. As big H said earlier, some artists aren't releasing albums on CD and I've noticed even the price of a lot of market sellers CD's via Amazon have increased markedly.

Mac

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