Advice for а CD player

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Stuart.W.D

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And it’s not in stock. 😉

Hyperfi has a lot of products listed but most of it is not available. I find the best way to know what they have available is to visit their eBay page, see what is listed and if there is anything I want, go back to their website.
That's unfortunate. It was a decent buy, and I'm not surprised it was snapped up. I'll keep that in mind when I go to their eBay page cheers.
 
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Measuring audio equipment doesn’t always reflect how we actually hear and perceive sound. Our ears pick up subtle nuances like tone, depth, and detail that measurements might miss. DACs change the sound of CD players because they convert digital data into an analog signal, and slight differences in how they process that signal can affect clarity, warmth, or detail, which isn’t always captured in measurements. That’s why trusting your ears is a better way to assess how something sounds. I have evaluated CD players and they sound different to my ears!

I live outside the UK and still purchase items when it represents good value, I use worldwide courier or parcel forwarding service are great solution. These services let you shop from international stores by providing you with a local address. After your purchase, the service will collect your item and forward it to your home, saving you on shipping costs and offering faster delivery options.

The process is simple: sign up with a courier service like DHL use the provided local address when shopping, and they’ll send your items to you. You can track your parcel throughout its journey, and once it clears customs, it will be delivered to your doorstep.
It's not that simple in the UK unfortunately.
 

Stuart.W.D

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You are obviously lucky that taxes are not applied. However, what isn't apparent is why you don't buy products from your country in the first place.
It’s about getting the best value. Sometimes, even with taxes considered, the deals abroad end up being much more affordable. It’s not about ignoring local options ~ just trying to be smart with where I spend. if saving money was a sport, I'd be going for the gold! The truth is, I prefer to keep the extra cash in my pocket ~ why pay more when I can find the same product for less elsewhere!

Let’s hit the reset button and get back to the real topic at hand ~ recommendations, anyone?
 

ToppingSMSL

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Measuring audio equipment doesn’t always reflect how we actually hear and perceive sound. Our ears pick up subtle nuances like tone, depth, and detail that measurements might miss. DACs change the sound of CD players because they convert digital data into an analog signal, and slight differences in how they process that signal can affect clarity, warmth, or detail, which isn’t always captured in measurements. That’s why trusting your ears is a better way to assess how something sounds. I have evaluated CD players and they sound different to my ears!

I live outside the UK and still purchase items when it represents good value, I use worldwide courier or parcel forwarding service are great solution. These services let you shop from international stores by providing you with a local address. After your purchase, the service will collect your item and forward it to your home, saving you on shipping costs and offering faster delivery options.

The process is simple: sign up with a courier service like DHL use the provided local address when shopping, and they’ll send your items to you. You can track your parcel throughout its journey, and once it clears customs, it will be delivered to your doorstep.
It's all in the electrical signal which is measured. It is an electrical signal before it is converted into sound waves. Your ears are not as good as electrical test equipment. You've been fooled by liars in the industry.
 

Stuart.W.D

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It's all in the electrical signal which is measured. It is an electrical signal before it is converted into sound waves. Your ears are not as good as electrical test equipment. You've been fooled by liars in the industry.
Sure, the electrical signal might be precise, but last time I checked, my ears still get the final say. Funny how that works when you trust your own senses over a machine! But fair enough, maybe the music’s all in the disc after all. But, since you're clearly the authority on this, how about recommending a cheap player for those of us still chasing that mythical 'different sound'?
 

Stuart.W.D

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If I had to recommend a cd player it would be the Marantz CD 6007. However, I have not compared it to the Yamaha.

I would suggest if the OP is really happy with the Yamaha, get another one. 😁
Good recommendations! The Marantz CD6005 and Rega Dac I had worked seamlessly together. For the money, these Marantz players have excellent build quality.
 

ToppingSMSL

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Sure, the electrical signal might be precise, but last time I checked, my ears still get the final say. Funny how that works when you trust your own senses over a machine! But fair enough, maybe the music’s all in the disc after all. But, since you're clearly the authority on this, how about recommending a cheap player for those of us still chasing that mythical 'different sound'?
What your ears hear depends on the electrical signal. We can measure that VERY precisely. Far more precisely then your ears can hear. Also what you hear is the result of loudspeaker frequency response alterations and phase changes and room reflections etc which will dwarf electrical signal distortion from a DAC by several orders of magnitude.

This just highlights why subjective listing does not work for DACs - you really must volume match by matching the electrical signal voltage from the DAC outputs and blind test.
 

Stuart.W.D

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What your ears hear depends on the electrical signal. We can measure that VERY precisely. Far more precisely then your ears can hear. Also what you hear is the result of loudspeaker frequency response alterations and phase changes and room reflections etc which will dwarf electrical signal distortion from a DAC by several orders of magnitude.

This just highlights why subjective listing does not work for DACs - you really must volume match by matching the electrical signal voltage from the DAC outputs and blind test.
While it's true that electrical signals, loudspeaker frequency response, phase changes, and room reflections can influence what we hear, there are a few counterpoints to consider regarding the claim that subjective listening for DACs doesn't work.

Human hearing is more complex than just an electrical signal. While we can measure electrical signals with extreme precision, the human auditory system doesn't work in a purely mechanical way. The ear-brain system is sophisticated and can perceive subtle differences in sound quality even if they aren't immediately measurable by the electrical signal alone.

While room acoustics, speakers, and reflections certainly play a huge role in shaping what we hear, they don't necessarily "dwarf" the influence of a DAC. High-end DACs are engineered to minimize distortion, noise, and colorations. Even minute distortion from a DAC can affect the perceived sound, especially with high-resolution recordings, where you might notice finer details that a low-quality DAC could obscure. So, in some contexts, DACs can make a tangible difference in sound quality.

Volume matching and blind testing are useful, but they don't account for all perceptible differences. It's true that volume matching is critical for any blind test, as louder sounds can be perceived as better, but subjective listening doesn't need to be reduced to just blind tests. People can still identify preferences based on tonal characteristics, dynamics, and other subjective criteria that might not be measurable with traditional equipment. Some of these nuances may be more obvious in a more controlled listening environment.

The idea that subjective listening doesn't "work" because of measurement and blind testing doesn’t account for the fact that audio is a personal, emotional experience. What we hear and how we react to sound involves more than just measurements ~ it’s about the emotional connection to the music. This is why subjective listening can often reveal preferences and qualities that raw measurements alone can’t predict!
 

RTHerringbone

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I find all talk of measurements and graphs is far removed from what should be the joy of listening to music. I'm sure there's some factual content therein, but experiences are unique and it feels short-sighted to pigeonhole things. It's a bit fun-spongey.
 
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