33/45 manual speed change

[stereoman]

Hello,
to come back one more time to this issue. I do not find it particularly easy to lift the whole heavy plate to change the speed. Some manual decks have rotors on the side and this is performed by easier belt on pulley change. There are many 45s. Why on earth TT producers including so renown Rega make it this way ?

 

[Al ears]

Hello,to come back one more time to this issue. I do not find it particularly easy to lift the whole heavy plate to change the speed. Some manual decks have rotors on the side and this is performed by easier belt on pulley change. There are many 45s. Why on earth TT producers including so renown Rega make it this way ?

It's all down to aesthetics and minimising belt length I believe.

P.S.. You might get more response if posted in the Turntables subforum.

 

[stereoman]

Hello,to come back one more time to this issue. I do not find it particularly easy to lift the whole heavy plate to change the speed. Some manual decks have rotors on the side and this is performed by easier belt on pulley change. There are many 45s. Why on earth TT producers including so renown Rega make it this way ?

It's all down to aesthetics and minimising belt length I believe.

P.S.. You might get more response if posted in the Turntables subforum.

Ok, belt size makes sense, but imagine you have a large collection of 45s.

 

[Deleted member 108165]

Ok, belt size makes sense, but imagine you have a large collection of 45s.

Buy two turntables one set at 45 and one set at 33 *biggrin* Or find a better turntable solution for the speed change problem.

 

[stereoman]

Ok, belt size makes sense, but imagine you have a large collection of 45s.

Buy two turntables one set at 45 and one set at 33 *biggrin* Or find a better turntable solution for the speed change problem.

Lol !

 

[MajorFubar]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

 

[luckylion100]

;-)

 

[stereoman]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

 

[MajorFubar]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

 

[Al ears]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

I'd tend to agree. The vast majority of vinyl players buy LPs only and most of them are 33 1/3.

If they had a large selection of singles they might have bought an appropriate turntable in the first instance.

 

[stereoman]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

I'd tend to agree. The vast majority of vinyl players buy LPs only and most of them are 33 1/3.

If they had a large selection of singles they might have bought an appropriate turntable in the first instance.

There are not only 45 singles but full 45 LPs. Mind. Ignoring 45s is somewhat intolerant..

 

[AntAxon]

All you have to do is push a button to change between 45 and 33 1/3

 

[chris_bates1974]

Obviously, we all look at this from our own point of view. Personally, I prefer no (or the minimum number) switches on my TT, and I am prepared to put up with what is for me, a very slight inconvenience to not have too many.

one thing I can't stand though, is the TT manufacturer that doesn't include the cover. Yeah, I'm going to spend 2k+ on a TT and not want it to come with a cover!!!!!

 

[stereoman]

Obviously, we all look at this from our own point of view. Personally, I prefer no (or the minimum number) switches on my TT, and I am prepared to put up with what is for me, a very slight inconvenience to not have too many.

one thing I can't stand though, is the TT manufacturer that doesn't include the cover. Yeah, I'm going to spend 2k+ on a TT and not want it to come with a cover!!!!!

I cannot agree, adjusting the belt on the outside pulley is acceptable (like Pro Ject RPM 3 Carbon etc. ) but removing the whole plate on and off is really not...or just better to buy one with the switch like stated above Pro-Ject Xperience SB or additional speedbox.

 

[Al ears]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

I'd tend to agree. The vast majority of vinyl players buy LPs only and most of them are 33 1/3.

If they had a large selection of singles they might have bought an appropriate turntable in the first instance.

There are not only 45 singles but full 45 LPs. Mind. Ignoring 45s is somewhat intolerant..

I assume English is your first language. That is why I said 'most'.

Whatever if you knew what was involved in changing speeds you would have utilised this when purchasing your turntable. Many people never have to switch speeds.

 

[stereoman]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

I'd tend to agree. The vast majority of vinyl players buy LPs only and most of them are 33 1/3.

If they had a large selection of singles they might have bought an appropriate turntable in the first instance.

There are not only 45 singles but full 45 LPs. Mind. Ignoring 45s is somewhat intolerant..

I assume English is your first language. That is why I said 'most'.

Whatever if you knew what was involved in changing speeds you would have utilised this when purchasing your turntable. Many people never have to switch speeds.

Ok but your answer is a bit like - there are millions of mp3s. Still many people don't hear this extra sound that was compressed in them... 45 rpm singles are still being produced alongside LPs. You never know whether you're gonna buy one. You don't predict these things. And let's say you've just been to a nice fleamarkt and bought a full basket of 45s for 3 pounds...

 

[Al ears]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

I'd tend to agree. The vast majority of vinyl players buy LPs only and most of them are 33 1/3.

If they had a large selection of singles they might have bought an appropriate turntable in the first instance.

There are not only 45 singles but full 45 LPs. Mind. Ignoring 45s is somewhat intolerant..

I assume English is your first language. That is why I said 'most'.

Whatever if you knew what was involved in changing speeds you would have utilised this when purchasing your turntable. Many people never have to switch speeds.

Ok but your answer is a bit like - there are millions of mp3s. Still many people don't hear this extra sound that was compressed in them... 45 rpm singles are still being produced alongside LPs. You never know whether you're gonna buy one. You don't predict these things. And let's say you've just been to a nice fleamarkt and bought a full basket of 45s for 3 pounds...

If you have you are very lucky or they are all knackered. ;-)

I would say that, if you end up with a lot of 45s then sell your turntable and buy a more user-friendly one.

 

[stereoman]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

I'd tend to agree. The vast majority of vinyl players buy LPs only and most of them are 33 1/3.

If they had a large selection of singles they might have bought an appropriate turntable in the first instance.

There are not only 45 singles but full 45 LPs. Mind. Ignoring 45s is somewhat intolerant..

I assume English is your first language. That is why I said 'most'.

Whatever if you knew what was involved in changing speeds you would have utilised this when purchasing your turntable. Many people never have to switch speeds.

Ok but your answer is a bit like - there are millions of mp3s. Still many people don't hear this extra sound that was compressed in them... 45 rpm singles are still being produced alongside LPs. You never know whether you're gonna buy one. You don't predict these things. And let's say you've just been to a nice fleamarkt and bought a full basket of 45s for 3 pounds...

If you have you are very lucky or they are all knackered. ;-)

I would say that, if you end up with a lot of 45s then sell your turntable and buy a more user-friendly one.

Yes , makes sense of course. But please also remember about one thing - recently there are more and more 12" full LP album pressings in 45 rpm not in 33 ! Manufacturers claim that it improves overall sound...many new jazz records for example are double side 12" in 45 rpm. ( but this is my philosophical nitpicking , I know...)

 

[Al ears]

You're right, you have already asked the same question. It's (still) to make them cheaper to manufacture.

But I think - it might work opposite. It makes them cheaper to produce but less of them will be sold because of this fact. I know that many potential buyers do pay attention to the manual speed. As said, with the pulley outside it's not so bad but with the hidden one under the plate it's mega inconvienient.

I might be wrong, but you would assume they've thought it through that they are losing less customers by excluding it than they would gain by inclusing it.

I'd tend to agree. The vast majority of vinyl players buy LPs only and most of them are 33 1/3.

If they had a large selection of singles they might have bought an appropriate turntable in the first instance.

There are not only 45 singles but full 45 LPs. Mind. Ignoring 45s is somewhat intolerant..

I assume English is your first language. That is why I said 'most'.

Whatever if you knew what was involved in changing speeds you would have utilised this when purchasing your turntable. Many people never have to switch speeds.

Ok but your answer is a bit like - there are millions of mp3s. Still many people don't hear this extra sound that was compressed in them... 45 rpm singles are still being produced alongside LPs. You never know whether you're gonna buy one. You don't predict these things. And let's say you've just been to a nice fleamarkt and bought a full basket of 45s for 3 pounds...

If you have you are very lucky or they are all knackered. ;-)

I would say that, if you end up with a lot of 45s then sell your turntable and buy a more user-friendly one.

Yes , makes sense of course. But please also remember about one thing - recently there are more and more 12" full LP album pressings in 45 rpm not in 33 ! Manufacturers claim that it improves overall sound...many new jazz records for example are double side 12" in 45 rpm. ( but this is my philosophical nitpicking , I know...)

Not at all. They have been around for a while usually from expensive producers, I have a few myself.

 

[Gray]

Because I've got quite a few 45s, manual speed change was out of the question when it came to a turntable decision.

With all else being equal, the best of my 45 rpm vinyl always sounds better than the best of my 33s.

I'm sure others may agree that, unless you've played a (well recorded) 45 rpm 12" single, you probably haven't heard the full potential of your turntable.

 

[Al ears]

Because I've got quite a few 45s, manual speed change was out of the question when it came to a turntable decision.

With all else being equal, the best of my 45 rpm vinyl always sounds better than the best of my 33s.

I'm sure others may agree that, unless you've played a (well recorded) 45 rpm 12" single, you probably haven't heard the full potential of your turntable.

This may well be the case and usually down to it being exceedingly well mastered in the first place, the downside is it usually means an LP now has to be pressed onto two discs, with the obvious cost implications.

Mobile Fidelity are very good at this with pressings normally on 200gram vinyl. Well worth it in my view but costly when the same album is often available on a single 33.3 disc.

 

[Deleted member 108165]

;-)

Voila! *good*