Wiim Ultra: How is the sound quality effected when using a Marantz PM6007 or Yamaha A-S501 or power amp?

[Andi-0005]

Sorry if these are really silly questions. I confess I'm a total newbie to this.

Can anyone help me understand how a Wiim Ultra's quality is effected when I use either a Marantz PM6007 stereo amplifier or a Yamaha A-S501 stereo amplifier and on an older amplifier.

If I stream from Qobuz to a Wiim Ultra at a rate of 24-bit/192 to either of example amplifiers what is quality that reaches the speakers?
Does the quality same at 24-bit/192KHZ or decrease?
The A-S501 and the PM6007 both DAC supports 24-bit/192KHZ.

Would it be better to use a power amp?
How about this: AUDIOPHONICS AP300-S125NC Class D Stereo Power Amplifier Ncore NC122MP 2x125W?

What happens to the sound quality/signal when I stream from Qobuz to a Wiim Ultra at a rate of 24-bit/192 to a 20 year old amplifier without a DAC?

Thanks!

Andi

 

[Gray]

They're not silly questions Andi.
They're questions that loads of people are asking themselves - such is the popularity of that Wiim Ultra (and the like).

The Ultra is a 'streaming preamp'.
It can go via an integrated amp or just a power amp into your speakers.

You can think of it as being transparent to the source it gets - your sound will effectively be as good as your amp, speakers and room acoustics.

Doesn't matter how old the amp is, if you like the sound of it, an Ultra into it will sound better than an Ultra into a new amp - that you don't much like the sound of.

If your new amp had a DAC in it, you could use that instead of the one in the Wiim - but it wouldn't necessarily be better.
(As it happens I should be getting an Ultra myself soon and my integrated amp uses an identical DAC).

 

[Juzzie Wuzzie]

Gray hits the nail ... personally, if streaming was my only source, I'd hook an WiiM Pro+ / Ultra up to a power amplifier and go that route (i.e. streaming pre-amp into amplification) in order to avoid paying for features I don't use (DAC, multiple inputs, etc). Otherwise, for me, it's a one-box solution.

@Gray what sold you on the Ultra over the other WiiM products (not to hijack the thread)?

 

[Andi-0005]

They're not silly questions Andi.
They're questions that loads of people are asking themselves - such is the popularity of that Wiim Ultra (and the like).

The Ultra is a 'streaming preamp'.
It can go via an integrated amp or just a power amp into your speakers.

You can think of it as being transparent to the source it gets - your sound will effectively be as good as your amp, speakers and room acoustics.

Doesn't matter how old the amp is, if you like the sound of it, an Ultra into it will sound better than an Ultra into a new amp - that you don't much like the sound of.

If your new amp had a DAC in it, you could use that instead of the one in the Wiim - but it wouldn't necessarily be better.
(As it happens I should be getting an Ultra myself soon and my integrated amp uses an identical DAC).

Thanks Gray,

So if I use my old AV receiver amplifier I should still be able to hear the details that were in the 24-bit/192KHZ file.
I assumed the old amplifier would loose the extra Hi-res details because it had been designed to work with CD quality sources.

I plan to use the old AV amplifier, I also buy a new Power amp or integrated amp Marantz or Yamaha. I'm not sure which.

So using a Marantz PM6007 would be okay, but I believe the DAC in the PM6007 is not as good as the Wiim. Could it be better to use a Power Amplififer?
What would be best, a budget Marantz or Yamaha or the AUDIOPHONICS AP300-S125NC? The AUDIOPHONICS does not have a DAC?

You write your integrated amp has the same DAC as the Wiim Ultra.
Which integrated amp do you use?

 

[nopiano]

I assumed the old amplifier would loose the extra Hi-res details because it had been designed to work with CD quality sources.

No, it’s the analogue signal from the Wiim that your amplifier amplifies. An amp doesn’t have a restriction on ‘details’. Amps don’t mind if the signal came from FM radio, LP, CD or hi-res streaming, they just make it loud enough to drive your speakers.

In the process, amps will slightly ‘colour’ the sound and add distortion - that’s unavoidable - but no need to change amps simply because you’re now using a Wiim or any other streaming source. And of course you can try routing the digital output into the DAC built into any amp that has one. You’ll either have a preference or not, and that’s simply a choice you alone need to make.

A modern power amplifier will do the job very nicely, as long as your Wiim gives you all the inputs and control you need. An integrated amp is more versatile, but is less transparent than a power amp alone because it has input switches, a volume control, and other circuitry.

 

[Juzzie Wuzzie]

I would take your old AV amplifier and run it in stereo mode (or just use front left and right) with the WiiM Ultra fed into an RCA input (i.e. have the Ultra act as a) DAC; and b) pre-amplifier). Alternative to this is to still use the control functions of the AV amplifier, but then the Ultra is overkill; and you might as well get the Pro Plus.

Alternatively, ditch it all and get a WiiM amp as a one box solution.

 

[Gray]

You write your integrated amp has the same DAC as the Wiim Ultra.
Which integrated amp do you use?

Cyrus XR-i7.

If you're thinking about using power rather than integrated amp Andi, you might want to put the Fosi V3 Monoblocks on your list of options.
Two of those, each with a 48 volt power supply - good value (and at times discounted slightly further).