which hdmi cable is better the 2007 winner chord silver plus or the new 2008 winner the van den hul flat?
which hdmi?
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It's a close-run thing, though - the Chord remains an excellent cable. However, it's matched by the vDH, which isn't just cheaper, but slightly more flexible, too.
Or buy 10 or so v1.3 unbranded ones and never know the difference. And have some change.
(unless you have a run of over a few metres)
(unless you have a run of over a few metres)
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Is Monster Cable any good? Apparently most gamers recommend it? I myself am looking for a hdmi cable but £50-£60 seems kinda excessive...
I use the Monster-HDMI1000HD and i wreckin its a good cable and comes with a lifetime replacement warranty but its not cheap.
Regards Lino.
Regards Lino.
I have just ordered 3 VDH flat 1.5m hdmi's £189, and true colours optical, the way i now see it, is that i spent nearly £2k on the system so another £200 on pukka cables wont hurt.
The way u said about spending money is the best way to go about it and i think thats where a lot of people do not spend money is on cables,its no point having a good system unless u got good cables.i got over 25 grand worth of cables at least.
silly money for 1.5m hdmi cables, i tried my friends hdmi at £70 a metre against my £9.99 hdmi out of argos, and try as i did i could not tell the difference between them, i have now tried numerous hdmi cable and still have not seen one thats any better than the cheap £9.99 ones i have.i really dont believe all the hype surrounding cables ,a con if you ask me.
QED HDMI-P (Old version, but an award winner a few years back regardless), is £18 inc. delivery at Play.com. That's a great price for a great cable which has an RRP of £50.
Hi Folks
Do you recommend different HDMI cables for different types of equipment. I have an Elite 360 console and have Sky+ HD, on order, and will eventually pickup a BD player and an AV receiver. So would you pick the vDH, for all of the HDMI cables or different cables for each component. TIA.
Yours Technomancer
Do you recommend different HDMI cables for different types of equipment. I have an Elite 360 console and have Sky+ HD, on order, and will eventually pickup a BD player and an AV receiver. So would you pick the vDH, for all of the HDMI cables or different cables for each component. TIA.
Yours Technomancer
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I'd try the HDMI that comes with the Elite 360 first, then try to get the vDH on trail & return and see if it makes any noticeable difference!
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Hi Folks
Do you recommend different HDMI cables for different types of equipment. I have an Elite 360 console and have Sky+ HD, on order, and will eventually pickup a BD player and an AV receiver. So would you pick the vDH, for all of the HDMI cables or different cables for each component.
Absolutely you should have different cables for different types of equipment. It's no different to any other aspect in Hi-Fi - the objective of the cable is to minimise the loss of the signal from one component to another. So with a £200 CD player, you could hook this to your amp with a £1,000 cable and be absolutely sure you were getting the best out of your system, but this would be silly when it's likely a £20 cable would probably sound the same since the limitations are in the CD player. The same common sense rules should be applied when purchasing HDMI cables for your AV equipment i.e. spending £100 on an HDMI cable to connect a £60 DVD player is silly, but using it to connect a £1,500 Blu-Ray player up may be a good choice (NB - notice the "may" in that sentence!).
Hi Folks
Do you recommend different HDMI cables for different types of equipment. I have an Elite 360 console and have Sky+ HD, on order, and will eventually pickup a BD player and an AV receiver. So would you pick the vDH, for all of the HDMI cables or different cables for each component.
Absolutely you should have different cables for different types of equipment. It's no different to any other aspect in Hi-Fi - the objective of the cable is to minimise the loss of the signal from one component to another. So with a £200 CD player, you could hook this to your amp with a £1,000 cable and be absolutely sure you were getting the best out of your system, but this would be silly when it's likely a £20 cable would probably sound the same since the limitations are in the CD player. The same common sense rules should be applied when purchasing HDMI cables for your AV equipment i.e. spending £100 on an HDMI cable to connect a £60 DVD player is silly, but using it to connect a £1,500 Blu-Ray player up may be a good choice (NB - notice the "may" in that sentence!).
How does a more expensive cable give a better picture? Surely when sending and recieving a digital signal of 1's and 0's even a lead that costs a tenner will do the same job, if there were 1's and 0's missing it would surely mean you dont get a picture on the other end? Iv been contemplating buying a good cable vs my cheap hdmi, but have not come anything online that says there is a gauranteed improvement...and if there is then why is there that improvement?
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Hi Ginder
I think we've been other this a few times now. I can't give you a full and detailed explanation, but the simple explanation that I understand is, the better the cable, the less signal loss, the less error handling and correction required, the better the picture. A digital signal is not as simple as just 0s and 1s being thrown down a wire. Yes, the basic building blocks of the signal is in binary format, but this is built into a larger framework which can be corrupted and is susceptible to loss. Corruption of this signal will lead to the error correction software built into the TV / amplifier having to "guess" what that data should have been judging from other data received which can therefore affect the quality of the picture.
Now there are people who will rubbish what I've just said above, and that's fair enough for them. All I know is, when I replaced my HDMI cable with a Chord 1.3 Silver Plus, I got a better picture. It wasn't a case of "Oh my goodness, look at the difference", but after swapping back and forth a few times, it was definitely "Yup, the Chord definitely has less noise onscreen and less blocking during fast action". For me, that was worth the extra £60 - £70 it cost me (can't remember now!). If it hadn't been though, I bought from a supplier with a money back guarantee so I would have just taken it back for a refund. This really is the only sensible solution to a highly contentious issue.
I think we've been other this a few times now. I can't give you a full and detailed explanation, but the simple explanation that I understand is, the better the cable, the less signal loss, the less error handling and correction required, the better the picture. A digital signal is not as simple as just 0s and 1s being thrown down a wire. Yes, the basic building blocks of the signal is in binary format, but this is built into a larger framework which can be corrupted and is susceptible to loss. Corruption of this signal will lead to the error correction software built into the TV / amplifier having to "guess" what that data should have been judging from other data received which can therefore affect the quality of the picture.
Now there are people who will rubbish what I've just said above, and that's fair enough for them. All I know is, when I replaced my HDMI cable with a Chord 1.3 Silver Plus, I got a better picture. It wasn't a case of "Oh my goodness, look at the difference", but after swapping back and forth a few times, it was definitely "Yup, the Chord definitely has less noise onscreen and less blocking during fast action". For me, that was worth the extra £60 - £70 it cost me (can't remember now!). If it hadn't been though, I bought from a supplier with a money back guarantee so I would have just taken it back for a refund. This really is the only sensible solution to a highly contentious issue.
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Wouldn't using a really expensive cable with cheap components actually make them sound worse (as they'd reveal their limitations)?
Hi ElectroMan
I have used the HDMI, that comes with the 360, and will see if I can pick up vDH on trial & return.
Yours Technomancer
I have used the HDMI, that comes with the 360, and will see if I can pick up vDH on trial & return.
Yours Technomancer
Can anybody tell me about the new speed rated hdmi monster cables,is there any truth in it?
Many thanx from Holland
Many thanx from Holland
1) go to the HDMI web site (yes it does exist) and have a read.
2) you will find there are only 2 standards that an HDMI lead can pass (be tested to).
3) by the cheapest certified cable you can find that meets your needs. Beware there are cheap and nasty knock off's out there!
4) if you are bored spend hours looking at the HDMI web site and try to find the names Chord or Van Den Hul or Monster (or any other "name" brand) mentioned as manufacturers of either the wire or the plugs. Now draw your own conclusions.
2) you will find there are only 2 standards that an HDMI lead can pass (be tested to).
3) by the cheapest certified cable you can find that meets your needs. Beware there are cheap and nasty knock off's out there!
4) if you are bored spend hours looking at the HDMI web site and try to find the names Chord or Van Den Hul or Monster (or any other "name" brand) mentioned as manufacturers of either the wire or the plugs. Now draw your own conclusions.
I went from reasonable price Panasonic HDMI to Chord Silver Plus1.3 and the difference was quite significant - I was surprised actually - as HDMI is all digital I wasnt expecting much difference but having shelled out on a 60" Kuro and a Panasonic BluRay player I figured it was worth the investment - and it was. I noticed a big improvement in sound - much deeper and fuller bass and a more open soundstage - and I dont imagine the Panasonic cable I replaced is totally worthless either.
I cant recommend them enough. Al I can say is, if the VDH cables are as good or better value then they must be GREAT!
Another upgrade I've been really happy with are the ClearerAudio CopperLine cables I bought for my amp / cd / BluRay player - again fair improvement and well worth the money - just waiting for a CopperLine Alpha to arrive for my tv. Word of warning to Kuro owners - the large Wattgate IEC plugs on the CopperLine wont fit as there's not enough space though apparently the CopperLine Alphas have standard IEC's which will.
I cant recommend them enough. Al I can say is, if the VDH cables are as good or better value then they must be GREAT!
Another upgrade I've been really happy with are the ClearerAudio CopperLine cables I bought for my amp / cd / BluRay player - again fair improvement and well worth the money - just waiting for a CopperLine Alpha to arrive for my tv. Word of warning to Kuro owners - the large Wattgate IEC plugs on the CopperLine wont fit as there's not enough space though apparently the CopperLine Alphas have standard IEC's which will.
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