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WHF Review - this is what I talked about...

stereoman

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http://www.whathifi.com/tannoy/mercury-72/review

A few weeks ago I posted a thread about producing low quality speakers etc. Now you see yourselves...what the hell is the purpose of producing low quality speakers etc. ? Bad sound engineers ? Lowered quality on purpose ? Selling hundreds of such crap to usual customers who get crap instead of music. Such things should be banned and submitted to strict quality control. There are many of such audio components that do more harm than any good.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/low-quality-in-many-loudspeakers-production
 

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stereoman said:
That's a pretty poor review IMHO! I give it **

However, that's not to say that the conclusion is wrong (although I don't quite get 3 stars for 'compatibility') it kind of fits with my view on where Tannoy are going these days. Trying to leverage a once-great brandname by churning out rubbish. I worry that the same happens with some brands of camera gear.
 

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I'm doing reviews. And I will not necessarly throw the first rock at them, due to the fact that they point out the details that are not ok with this speaker. As always, the bad points are pointed out "not so bad but...", but an experienced reader will see through.

Generally, I'm not a fan of the "absence of measures" in a review. They know that, but have their point of view about it.
 

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thewinelake. said:
stereoman said:
That's a pretty poor review IMHO! I give it **

However, that's not to say that the conclusion is wrong (although I don't quite get 3 stars for 'compatibility') it kind of fits with my view on where Tannoy are going these days. Trying to leverage a once-great brandname by churning out rubbish. I worry that the same happens with some brands of camera gear.
What about Tannoy's higher end speakers like the XF or Precision models? I hope those models are not being made cheaply.
 

stereoman

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Squall Leonhart said:
thewinelake. said:
stereoman said:
That's a pretty poor review IMHO! I give it **

However, that's not to say that the conclusion is wrong (although I don't quite get 3 stars for 'compatibility') it kind of fits with my view on where Tannoy are going these days. Trying to leverage a once-great brandname by churning out rubbish. I worry that the same happens with some brands of camera gear.
What about Tannoy's higher end speakers like the XF or Precision models? I hope those models are not being made cheaply.
No , of course. I mean Tannoy and other companies produce amazing stuff too - I only mentioned that they can alongside produce worse things as well. ( I have not heard these Mercury models but my point is to generalise only - Tannoy in this case is only an example ) So what is the point ? Why such companies ( or any audio companies ) do not first submit their samples for reviews before they start to sell ? I personally am a bit furious ;) about how many poor quality loudspeakers are still being sold. I also think that far too many companies abandon monitor sound what makes the overall sound quality lower. Actually all loudspeakers should be as close to monitor sound as possible. I think the lack of these features in home loudspeakers and rolling off treble and bass are main culprit in reproduction quality.
 

Gaz37

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Why do companies make bad products?
Really?
Because at the right price and with the right marketing people will buy them and the company will make a profit.

Anybody remember the last incarnation of the Ford Escort? A truly terrible car with absolutely nothing going for it whatsoever, yet Ford sold tens of thousands of them.
 

Gaz37

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Why do companies make bad products?
Really?
Because at the right price and with the right marketing people will buy them and the company will make a profit.

Anybody remember the last incarnation of the Ford Escort? A truly terrible car with absolutely nothing going for it whatsoever, yet Ford sold tens of thousands of them.
 

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stereoman said:
Actually all loudspeakers should be as close to monitor sound as possible. I think the lack of these features in home loudspeakers and rolling off treble and bass are main culprit in reproduction quality.
Ok, I thought all speakers should be as close to a real instrument sound as possible.

The main issue here is that sound has so many characteristics. When you say monitor sound do you mean tonal neutrality? There is so much more to it.

That's beside the point anyway. I think you expect perfection at unreasonably low price point. Also, people compare in a different way. You compare monitor sound to Tannoys and are disappointed as a result.

Other people may compare having no sound (prior to buying the speakers) to the sound of music (after the purchase) and there can only be one winner here. And that's without factoring in the price which can make a questionable product a great one.
 

stereoman

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Gaz37 said:
Why do companies make bad products? Really? Because at the right price and with the right marketing people will buy them and the company will make a profit.

Anybody remember the last incarnation of the Ford Escort? A truly terrible car with absolutely nothing going for it whatsoever, yet Ford sold tens of thousands of them.
Exatcly, so ban such politics ! Bad reproduced sound has a huge impact on listeners' mood and negatively affects the brain. Maybe not fair to compare , but to some extent people from 17th and 18th century listened to better sound than we us today. No distortion, they attended live concerts (even at home), played vinyls ( greatly are coming back now ). I know we have MP3s for they offer small format and are easy to store and wear but these should occasionally be used during travels, outside home listening etc. We are being fed with daily low quality HiFi components in general low to mid range shopping malls etc. with low quality sound ( even the great Spotify which I personally love for the convieniece and music check has been for so many years offering still compressed music for home listening ) unless we spend much much more on proper technology it is hard to be satisfied. Fortunately, there are many proper good sounding things and clever people who produce this great stuff. But it is always a niche.
 

nopiano

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stereoman said:
Gaz37 said:
Why do companies make bad products? Really? Because at the right price and with the right marketing people will buy them and the company will make a profit.

Anybody remember the last incarnation of the Ford Escort? A truly terrible car with absolutely nothing going for it whatsoever, yet Ford sold tens of thousands of them.
Exatcly, so ban such politics ! Bad reproduced sound has a huge impact on listeners' mood and negatively affects the brain. Maybe not fair to compare , but to some extent people from 17th and 18th century listened to better sound than we us today. No distortion, they attended live concerts (even at home), played vinyls ( greatly are coming back now ). I know we have MP3s for they offer small format and are easy to store and wear but these should occasionally be used during travels, outside home listening etc. We are being fed with daily low quality HiFi components in general low to mid range shopping malls etc. with low quality sound ( even the great Spotify which I personally love for the convieniece and music check has been for so many years offering still compressed music for home listening ) unless we spend much much more on proper technology it is hard to be satisfied. Fortunately, there are many proper good sounding things and clever people who produce this great stuff. But it is always a niche.
I get your overall point, though I have to say that nobody until the 20th century played 'vinyls' or even LPs. However, I don't think one should underestimate the enjoyment that can come from radio, even in the car or kitchen. Not hifi but perfectly enjoyable, surely?
 

Gaz37

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Banning companies from making bad products is a little extreme, who decides what "bad" actually is?

People with, what we may refer to as, bad speakers are probably perfectly happy with them, they must be or Bose and/or Sonos would have gone bust years ago. Is it being suggested that everbody should be forced (how?) to only listen to music on high quality equipment? What if they can't afford, don't want, or can't appreciate decent kit?

If there is a market for lower quality gear what's the problem?
 

stereoman

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insider9 said:
stereoman said:
Actually all loudspeakers should be as close to monitor sound as possible. I think the lack of these features in home loudspeakers and rolling off treble and bass are main culprit in reproduction quality.
Ok, I thought all speakers should be as close to a real instrument sound as possible.

The main issue here is that sound has so many characteristics. When you say monitor sound do you mean tonal neutrality? There is so much more to it.

That's beside the point anyway. I think you expect perfection at unreasonably low price point. Also, people compare in a different way. You compare monitor sound to Tannoys and are disappointed as a result.

Other people may compare having no sound (prior to buying the speakers) to the sound of music (after the purchase) and there can only be one winner here. And that's without factoring in the price which can make a questionable product a great one.
When you heard a live Chopin piano concert and are a fan of Chopin then you know how the piano live should sound. When you get home and play this Chopin bit you instantly know how much more the sound is similar to or diverse from being truthful. ACCURACY is the most important factor in all loudspeakers' technology. I doubt average customers would not like to hear the accuracy of piano bit and preferred the boomy ,coloured unnatural sound of it for example. But because most of them get such unprofessional stuff they have no clue how it should sound correctly - this is the point - pushing low quality HiFi to customers who then get a biased view on the albums they listen to thinking it sounds more or less correctly when in fact it sounds totally different. An average monitor sound on the other hand would still be much more accurate than a nice shiny average HiFi loudspeaker from Comets or Richer Sounds.

And the answer for Gaz37 - yes, you cannot force such quality control in this case, (pity) maybe except Brussels who can impose quality control on vegetables ( i.e. carrots and cucumbers must be straight ) ;)
 

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