What HiFi 2009 - No Longer What it Was

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WhatHiFi[WHF] - has been for years a publication and website I always favoured andlooked up to. But nowadays, unfortunately only one or possibly two issues ayear are worth reading or "add any value". Going the way of T3 andits similars, the quality and standard of products under review in WHF seems tobe slipping lower and lower. Notwithstanding the fact that WHF has always(successfully) sought to meet the needs and expectations of a 'middle andupper' market, choosing products for all pockets and budgets, the terminologyused today to describe so many of the star products leads to an incorrectunderstanding for many of the rating itself. So many of WHF’s readers go awaywith the mistaken impression that mid level products can rival really top endHiFi in terms of soundstage, depth, breadth and listenbility – producing, forexample a - "sensational, focussed and precise sound" etc etc on anequal footing. How misinformed this would be - a £5000 or £10,000 system cansound fantastic, but its still a universe away from the effortless presence andsubtle touch of a £100,000 system. WHF ratings don't make this clear. Anotherexample, WHF has never even touched that I can recall, on the differencebetween traditional British, European and American size of sound - a crucialdeciding factor once experienced. Yes phrases like, "go and listen beforechoosing" and "compared to rivals" and "itscompetition" caveat a best in class reflection, but when it really comesdown to it, little qualitative difference is written in to theseratings. To be fair, ratings of 1-5 in any market are limiting for reviewers;they can only go so far before falling into hyperbole, which is why manyhigh-end reviews prefer 0-100. Perhaps WHF could add something ( a colour?) toqualify the rating band a given product falls into – price brackets are notenough.

Sadly nowmore than ever, for WHF, educating ‘us, the masses’ on real HiFi seems oflittle interest, in favour of cheap and cheerful "instant impact"offerings. Its incredible how WHF continues to give certain marques 5+starapprovals, when blatantly the wider (global) HiFi community punch technicallyand emotionally* credible critique that awards the same items with a 70-80% outof 100, at best. More often than not, many of these items fail dismally on‘sound quality’ alone, when compared to similarly priced rivals.
(*HiFi analysts correctly stipulate the difference between a technical andemotional view - what looks good on technical charts and sonic analyzers cansometimes disappoint when left to aural critique. But both have to beconsidered)

What is the context of my diatribe here? WHF’s ratingsare plastered all over the UK’s hifi stores, on and off-line; in magazines andsupplements, on company websites and in their pamphlets and catalogues. So manypeople buy on the basis of WHF’s ratings (myself included) and in many cases wehave been and remain happy customers – so everyone’s a winner? Not quite. WHF’shigh review standards, technical insight, and quality hunt of before is justnot the case any longer. So many far better new products are being passed overnowadays in favour of “old favourites”, however many times readers put forwarda review request – just look at how many (legitimate) entries that remainunanswered on “how does X compare with its new rival Y?” there are on theseforums. Is WHF afraid to challenge its own ratings with new contenders? Surelytoppling a previous winner with a new, better product is a good way toencourage and maintain manufacturing competivity and quality that consumersthen benefit from. And why does WHF just ‘go quiet’ on so many requests,despite very healthy uptakes on its forums? Do some HiFi marques remain infavour with WHF, because they PAY to get WHF’s 5 star awards?

Just as the financial world has turned on theirRatings’ Agencies, questioning the objectivity of their reviews, perhaps thesame needs to happen with the T3, Stuff and WHF’s out there, as the votingtrends across these “objective reviews” seem increasingly similar. I recentlynoted that some of WHF's assessments have even been copied across word for wordfrom other, older review sources. Back up your argument you say? Singling outnames in a forum like this is of little benefit, there would be as many pro asagainst such views. It might be easier to say: take some of the names that WHFconsistently award 5 stars to, and see what other reviews the 'Net brings up;note how their reviews are pitched, and see what a real 5Star (or 95%) reviewlooks like. Look at the price difference, but more importantly, look at whatnew technology is being employed, that in some instances literally blows allthe competition out of the water.

I hope this criticism is taken the right way, asconstructive rather than destructive. With high expectation to a return tostandard, of a publication that has long stood as a vote for Quality overQuantity – evidenced in the superb, similarly titled article published in WHF(page 154 of Dec 09 issue) on the mass decent into lower bitstreams in favourof cramming more titles on a disc. WHF this is what you were about, please canwe have more of that going into 2010.
 

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Another self righteous person who joins the fray on the day to have a go and then says he's constructive.

Lets see how long the posting continues.And I am not even high end,but posts like that are just ......
 
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Felt this and more for a long time, but held off to see if things would improve before saying anything; it is only a personal opinion after all. I wouldn't write if I didn't seriously value this publication and what it stands for.

But, I'm intrigued - why self-righteous?
 

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I've criticised WHFSAV many times in the past for the prominence of TV, and of course MP3 type devices. Unfortunately that sells copies no matter how sad that makes me feel. I don't get much out of the mag any more, mind you I get a lot from these forums. Horses for courses really.
 

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JoelSim:
I've criticised WHFSAV many times in the past for the prominence of TV, and of course MP3 type devices. Unfortunately that sells copies no matter how sad that makes me feel. I don't get much out of the mag any more, mind you I get a lot from these forums. Horses for courses really.

Some would say the mag continues to move with the times. The OP is just looking for a reaction. Why bother with the long, badly worded rant otherwise?

I've just read another post of the OP's where he is pleading for a home cinema speaker package (no where near high end) to be reviewed by the mag as he's interested in buying them but cannot demo. And he moans about the mag being priced 500% above the rrp. Make your mind up Challenger. Complaining about the lack of high end reviews, demanding a mid range review though.
 

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Challenger3:

Felt this and more for a long time, but held off to see if things would improve before saying anything; it is only a personal opinion after all. I wouldn't write if I didn't seriously value this publication and what it stands for.

But, I'm intrigued - why self-righteous?

I am afraid if you cannot see parts of it saying "I am right and you are wrong" (and my use of inverted commas and parentheses is a clue) then remain intrigued.
 
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Interesting post Challenger3, I get where you are coming from on some of your points.

But also with latest product's being released I personally feel there is a lack of quality products at the moment.

With some items getting cheaper they loose quality, then the 5 stars for some products get easily handed out.

Also with comparing old with new I think that would be good in the reviews. But then again what hi fi reviews a very wide range of products it's not easy for them to go into real depth in their reviews.
 
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On another note the bit near the back where you have home cinema then forum questions, It now seems to be a 1 page spread not two the same with tv's and hi fi's I used to really like reading the 2 page spread.

Also the Clearance items at Sevenoaks the 1 page spread seems only to be released on ocassions in your mag?

I also used to really like reading that.
 

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gel:On another note the bit near the back where you have home cinema then forum questions, It now seems to be a 1 page spread not two the same with tv's and hi fi's I used to really like reading the 2 page spread.

You can't have a one-page spread - by definition a spread is two pages. But rest assured that in the January issue, on sale next week, there are two spreads of Sound Advice. Plus of course we answer stacks of questions on the Forums every week.

gel:Also the Clearance items at Sevenoaks the 1 page spread seems only to be released on ocassions in your mag?

That's something you'd have to take up with the advertiser in question.
 
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The bit on the questions at the back just seems to have change in the last issue, I liked the way it was.
 

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gel:The bit on the questions at the back just seems to have change in the last issue, I liked the way it was.

You really didn't read my last answer, did you?
 
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Andrew Everard:

gel:The bit on the questions at the back just seems to have change in the last issue, I liked the way it was.

You really didn't read my last answer, did you?

I did read it Andrew I just don't think I really understood it.

Also one thing that left me feeling at bit short change last month was that half of the mag ie the back half was for old products.

Although I like having a referenece for older products and reviews - and do refer to it on many occassions.

Does it really have to take up have the Mag?

Surely you could create extra space for more in depth reviews on current products?

Thanks
 
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Whacky idea no. 3564791084:
If you don't like it, don't buy it, don't read it and make your own magazine with in-depth reviews on the stuff you like and want to buy. Then you have nothing to moan about but I suspect that if that was the case, then i suppose you could moan about not having anything to moan about.................................................
Who was it who said "you can't please all the people all the time"?
 

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gel:Does it really have to take up have the Mag?

It doesn't: we consistently have well over 100 editorial pages every month, of which 30 are taken up with the Buying Guide. Or, to put it another way, we deliver something just under 1000 pages of non-Buying Guide editorial every year, which is pretty good going with a writing team of half a dozen people. Oh, and we also contribute to these Forums, post news stories, blog and so on.

Just as an aside, since someone in the office asked the other week, I added up all the words I wrote in a week both here and for the magazine, and it was something in the region of 25000.

I think all that represents pretty good value for money.
 
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I have come up with some solutions:

1. Do away with all the 2 and 3 star products reference at the back.
2. Also some of the older reviews with are less popular ones.

Or 3. Release another mag along with what hi fi could what home cinema and go into more depth review.s
Or. 4. My personal favourite.
Rename the what hi fi, what home cinema and do away with the hi fi stuff.
 

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gel:I have come up with some solutions:

1. Do away with all the 2 and 3 star products reference at the back.

Why? You think people don't want to read verdicts on products getting less than 4 stars?

gel:2. Also some of the older reviews with are less popular ones.

Some old products are still very good indeed.

gel:3. Release another mag along with what hi fi could what home cinema and go into more depth review.s

Been there, done that. Didn't make any money.

gel:4. My personal favourite.
Rename the what hi fi, what home cinema and do away with the hi fi stuff.

What, and destroy one of the strongest brands in consumer electronics publishing? Don't be silly.
 

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gel:

Or 3. Release another mag along with what hi fi could what home cinema and go into more depth review.s
Or. 4. My personal favourite.
Rename the what hi fi, what home cinema and do away with the hi fi stuff.

You are aware the name of the magazine is What Hi-Fi: Sound and Vision aren't you?
 

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gel: Or 3. Release another mag along with what hi fi could what home cinema and go into more depth review.s Or. 4. My personal favourite. Rename the what hi fi, what home cinema and do away with the hi fi stuff.

You are aware the name of the magazine is What Hi-Fi: Sound and Vision aren't you?

Don't baffle the poor lad.
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gel:I have come up with some solutions: 1. Do away with all the 2 and 3 star products reference at the back.

Why? You think people don't want to read verdicts on products getting less than 4 stars?

gel:2. Also some of the older reviews with are less popular ones.

Some old products are still very good indeed.

gel:3. Release another mag along with what hi fi could what home cinema and go into more depth review.s

Been there, done that. Didn't make any money.

gel:4. My personal favourite. Rename the what hi fi, what home cinema and do away with the hi fi stuff.

What, and destroy one of the strongest brands in consumer electronics publishing? Don't be silly.

I guess I am going to have keep doing what I am doing then, and that is buying what hi fi and home cinema choice magazine.

Only it set me back £9.00 this month. Not to mention the years when I subscribed yearly to both.

Still my favourite Mags know.

Keep up the good work
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gel:I guess I am going to have keep doing what I am doing then, and that is buying what hi fi

Good plan

gel: and home cinema choice
magazine.

Well. someone has to, I guess...
 
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the magazine has only about 20 pages of non advertising non review section hifi stuff so its a fair comment that the name belies the contents but you cant argue with success

after all hifi is in decline so whf have to do something to keep on top so good on them and the forum does make up for the lack of content in the magazine
 

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