There are no hifi speakers for metal

[Blacksabbath25]

Have a look at this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvVGNu0EXM

i like theses myself and half tempted to buy some Yamaha NS-1000M and they are playing Black Sabbath paranoid with these speakers on this video

 

[Pedro]

I listened to a lot of metal when I was younger, thrash and death metal mainly, and I fail to see why the genre (or genres) need to be played on a specific kind of speakers. Loads of distortion, harshness, really bad productions in most cases. Perhaps speakers with a non linear response?

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I listened to a lot of metal when I was younger, thrash and death metal mainly, and I fail to see why the genre (or genres) need to be played on a specific kind of speakers. Loads of distortion, harshness, really bad productions in most cases. Perhaps speakers with a non linear response?

I agree some heavy metal , thrash music is recorded badly but not all of it is and then think about the instruments that are used in a band

bass guitar has distortion when being played a electric guitar the same .

all speakers will play music but some speakers will do a better job with complex heavy metal music which has more shifts in direction then a lot of music .

 

[George]

I listened to a lot of metal when I was younger, thrash and death metal mainly, and I fail to see why the genre (or genres) need to be played on a specific kind of speakers. Loads of distortion, harshness, really bad productions in most cases. Perhaps speakers with a non linear response?

I also listened to a lot of classic rock/metal in the 80's and I believe a lot of bands did care very much about production, Iron Maiden being a good example. These bands are using real instruments like drums, bass guitar and guitars. Heavy Metal is a big sound and big speakers will do it justice.

 

[plastic penguin]

@Lindsayt

Well, if you go back a year ot two the OP has had terrible trouble finding the right combo. Everything seemed too bright. Given his past I doubt anything will be totally to his liking.

 

[bigfish786]

@Lindsayt

Well, if you go back a year ot two the OP has had terrible trouble finding the right combo. Everything seemed too bright. Given his past I doubt anything will be totally to his liking.

quite possibly down to room acoustics? Or expecting too much from whatever speakers have been tried?

 

[Vladimir]

Grunge, Punk rock, Alternative rock

Genres vary so much by different decade. Both Kiss and Darkthrone fall under same genre.

Is Grunge not a sub-genre of metal, both of which are sub-genres of rock - which my grandad would have called sub-genres of jazz?

Do these classifications matter?

I think grunge falls under hard rock. Anyways. I'm hoping for more reference metal suggestions.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Grunge, Punk rock, Alternative rock

Genres vary so much by different decade. Both Kiss and Darkthrone fall under same genre.

Is Grunge not a sub-genre of metal, both of which are sub-genres of rock - which my grandad would have called sub-genres of jazz?

Do these classifications matter?

I think grunge falls under hard rock. Anyways. I'm hoping for more reference metal suggestions.

I posted some a little while ago

 

[insider9]

Grunge, Punk rock, Alternative rock

Genres vary so much by different decade. Both Kiss and Darkthrone fall under same genre.

Is Grunge not a sub-genre of metal, both of which are sub-genres of rock - which my grandad would have called sub-genres of jazz?

Do these classifications matter?

I think grunge falls under hard rock. Anyways. I'm hoping for more reference metal suggestions.

I don't listen to as much metal as I used and only the last one of these is on my test reference tracks. The other ones would be should I was looking for a system to listen to metal.

Slayer "Reign in Blood"
Pantera "Vulgar Display of Power"
Metallica "Master of Puppets"
Machinehead "The Blackening"
System of a Down "Mezmerize"

 

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Opeth usually are a very well produced outfit with my favourite album being "watershed" machine head "through the ashes of empires" is also quite an aggressive and testing album.One of my favourite metal albums is Tool "Latarelus"..more kind of a prog metal thing.If you like a more industrial type of metal then I reckon Trent Reznor's. Nine inch nails "fragile"album might be one of the best productions out there....oh and the downward spiral isn't too shabby either.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Grunge, Punk rock, Alternative rock

Genres vary so much by different decade. Both Kiss and Darkthrone fall under same genre.

Is Grunge not a sub-genre of metal, both of which are sub-genres of rock - which my grandad would have called sub-genres of jazz?

Do these classifications matter?

I think grunge falls under hard rock. Anyways. I'm hoping for more reference metal suggestions.

Most metal is recorded crap but try:
Korn: follow the leader
Rammstein: mutter
Rage against the machine: rage against the machine and renegades
Limp bizkit: chocolate starfish and the hotdog flavored wate

Not sure the dr but they sound nice and clear.

 

[George]

Last year i have listen to many speakers. Good speakers, but none of them are suitable for metal. For metal you need good bass (also not small woofers), warm midrange and sweet treble. Also dynamic and not too transparant. Those speakers are not more. Nowadays speakers are too transparant and with too hot treble. Vintage is the only solution.

Good treble is important for me when listening to any kind of music especially for metal. Have you seen how much some of those cymbals cost *shok*, I want to hear them *music2*

 

[plastic penguin]

@Blacksabbeth

Good question. But whatever suggestions we've all put forward (amps/speakers or individual items) were always wrong for his ears. That's why I commented about the sound he's looking for doesn't exist. Sometimes the SQ you're after doesn't exist. Hi-fi is always a compromise.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

@Blacksabbeth

Good question. But whatever suggestions we've all put forward (amps/speakers or individual items) were always wrong for his ears. That's why I commented about the sound he's looking for doesn't exist. Sometimes the SQ you're after doesn't exist. Hi-fi is always a compromise.

. That's why I feel it's important when buying amplifier and speakers for metal, thrash music it's important to get the combination right

I know all amplifiers and speakers are made for all types of music but some speakers are better of getting the most out of a recording with a clear open treble and combined that with a good amplifier with a good power supply that's the boss over the bass frequencies then your on to a winner .

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Can someone write few reference metal albums where hifi shows its strength and weakneses?

I made a mistake when posting theses tracks I thought you meant you wanted tracks that would take a speaker to its limits .

anyway let me look at my music collection for reference tracks and albums and I will post ones found them

 

[Blacksabbath25]

AC/DC.... album... rock or bust .... track .. hard times

Creed..... album....my own prison... track ... my own prison

Disturbed... album Immortalized.... track ... the sound of silence but let the song run as it gets heavier

Grand Magus.... wolf's return .....track.... wolfs return, Pt . 2

Guns & Roses.... album... use your illusion, vol. 1 .... track November rain

Iced Earth ... album... plagues of Babylon... track ... if I could see you

Manowar ... album... battle Hymms MMXI .... track Battle of hymn

Megadeth ... album... countdown to extinction....track foreclosure of a dream

Overkill.... album... the grinding wheel... track .... the long road

U.D.O .... album.... Decadent .... track Secrets in paradise . but the album is well recorded

anyway I could keep going but there are some that sound very good on my setup .

 

[Deliriumbassist]

Tool's Lateralus, as stated.

Opeth's live at the Royal Albert Hall is fantastic in points - Hope Leaves is excellent

Lamb of God's Sacrament sounds fantastic

RATM self titled, again as stated

I've been running through NIN's The Slip a lot recently. Most of Trent Reznor's offerings are pretty well done

 

[Pedro]

I agree that some metal is well recorded and mixed. I don't think that applies to most metal. Or at least the kind of metal I used to listen to (more extreme).

On the subject of speakers maybe if you're looking to build a desktop system you can demo some Adam speakers. I own the F5s (as a 2nd system) and I think they're good for the money. Mine are preowned. They aren't the most neutral monitors out there, the bass is a bit overemphasized (which you can adjust using the knobs at the back), but they are pleasant to listen to and their ribbon tweeters are airy and without a hint of harshness.

I've thrown everything at them, from classical music to Napalm Death and no listening fatigue.

 

[ChrisIRL]

Perhaps more hard rock but Primus "Sailing the seas of cheese" or "Pork Soda" can take a system for a good run. CD and vinyl versions score pretty well on the dr database too.

 

[Helmut80]

Then the PMCs you listened to weren't big enough

 

[peterpan]

I have listened to:

Tannoy xt6f: fast, exciting sounding but so bright and where is the bass?

MA Silver 6 and 8: Bright, Bright. I can also name Focal and Dali opticon. The last one too lively highs. Very irritating. Dali opticon 6 also poor bass.

Kef R-series: Had nothing. Boring, flat sound. No bass expect the R300. Good for movies, not for music.

Epos K3: Bad bass and the sounds so steril

Q acoustics 3050: Bass was there, but not good. Also strange thin highes

Dynaudio excite and focus: Can't go on with metal. It's a brand for calm music like classic.

PMC: i miss body.

And i am High Sensitive Person and very sensitive for bright highs.

 

[peterpan]

Don't know the typenumber. But similar as a Kef R500. The Kef sounds fuller, more body. The dealer who also listened said the same.

 

[Pedro]

I have listened to:

Tannoy xt6f: fast, exciting sounding but so bright and where is the bass?

MA Silver 6 and 8: Bright, Bright. I can also name Focal and Dali opticon. The last one too lively highs. Very irritating. Dali opticon 6 also poor bass.

Kef R-series: Had nothing. Boring, flat sound. No bass expect the R300. Good for movies, not for music.

Epos K3: Bad bass and the sounds so steril

Q acoustics 3050: Bass was there, but not good. Also strange thin highes

Dynaudio excite and focus: Can't go on with metal. It's a brand for calm music like classic.

PMC: i miss body.

And i am High Sensitive Person and very sensitive for bright highs.

That's quite a few brands. Maybe all that brightness that seem to bother you is inherent to the music and/or due to poor room acoustics?

 

[CnoEvil]

I have listened to:

Tannoy xt6f: fast, exciting sounding but so bright and where is the bass?

MA Silver 6 and 8: Bright, Bright. I can also name Focal and Dali opticon. The last one too lively highs. Very irritating. Dali opticon 6 also poor bass.

Kef R-series: Had nothing. Boring, flat sound. No bass expect the R300. Good for movies, not for music.

Epos K3: Bad bass and the sounds so steril

Q acoustics 3050: Bass was there, but not good. Also strange thin highes

Dynaudio excite and focus: Can't go on with metal. It's a brand for calm music like classic.

PMC: i miss body.

What Source and Amps were used. For example, the R Series need a clean, powerful amp, with decent control. Some Sources are more "musical" than others.

Would you consider something like the LS50 + Sub?

 

[bigfish786]

Or chronic tinnitus?

Try two Marshall 4x12 cabinets!

it appears you want the same kind of bass that a 17yr old lad in a Citroen Saxo has, with 2 subs in the boot.

Not my idea of "good" bass.