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Thought I'd mention that I watched Under the Skin last night.

I liked it a lot, or at least it set me thinking, though others at the screening were clearly less intrigued (roughly a third left after an hour).

Avoiding spoilers, I found the film interesting on three levels:

1. As commentary on the human condition. As Scarlett Johansson's character becomes more attuned to human experiences, she feels more vulnerable, frightened, and alone.

2. As observation on sexual politics and gender. The film inverts themes of male sexual insecurity and vulnerability by the end, leaving us with a complex (and arguably disturbing) view of twenty-first century gender relations, especially with regard to issues of sex and power.

3. In a "meta" sense, or as commentary on the distinction between Hollywood glamour and "real world" experience. Johansson seemed suitably "alien" among ordinary looking Glaswegian men, some of whom were non actors filmed covertly, as Johansson pretended to seduce them. These actors later consented to appear in the film. This extended to issues of location and style, since much of the filming took place in drab areas of the city. When Johansson is "out on the prowl" the style is notably realist, contrasted with greater formal experimentation once men are lured back to her lair.

Oh, and it was uncomfortably funny at times; for anyone who's seen the film, "This isn't Tesco."
 
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Watched the first part of the new Norwegian drama Mammon last night, very good stuff.

Also watched a film I'd recorded from a few weeks ago, Bullhead, a Belgium film, and again, it was very good. Quite intense and disturbing in a way, and a scene that will make all men wince for atleast 10 minutes after. :O

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821593/?ref_=nv_sr_1
 
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A few great Kurosawa films to look out for on Film4 over the next week.

Ikiru

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044741/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Throne Of Blood

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050613/?ref_=nv_sr_1

The Hidden Fortress

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Yojimbo

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055630/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Sanjuro

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056443/?ref_=nv_sr_1
 

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Out of interest, how were you defining surrealism before?

Again, that probably sounds a bit confrontational, which isn't my intention. I'm interested to know how you previously understood the term; and just as interested to know if the above definition feels useful with regard to earlier film club discussion.

TBH I hadn't thought about it too deeply. It's probably a bit glib to say I was just using as 'something really weird'! Taking a quote from Wiki, I'd probably have said something a bit like this: 'Surrealist works feature the element of surprise, unexpected juxtapositions and non sequitur'. I wouldn't have linked it quite so directly to the unconscious. It means my description of, for example, Visitor Q, as having surreal elements is not necessarily wrong but a bit more of a stretch.
 

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My knowledge of French culture is similarly lacking as with Japanese (is this where Mike lives?) but I'm pretty sure there will be some there will be roots in real French culture, with hyperbole applied. The butcher is clearly a grotesque stereotype, and I'm guessing some commentary is being passed with the murderous postman.

I have researched this topic today, and there could be something in your suggestion. It seems that the butcher has the face of the typical French butcher, and is the spitting image of a butcher that my colleague remembers from his childhood. Regarding the postman, my colleague was less definate regarding the stereotype, but did not reject it out of hand.

Thanks for that Mike. I was probably thinking a little more broadly than physical appearance, at least some sort of cultural reference. Butchers, bakers etc from my limited experience of France seem to have greater prominence than in this country, where supermarkets dominate. I was thinking there may be something in his community dominance. With the postman, I was wondering whether this may be some sort of comment on the industrial power of certain groups, eg through strikes.
 

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Thought I'd mention that I watched Under the Skin last night.

Really want to watch this. Can't remember the last time I went to the cinema, so I'm sure this will be a lovefilm pick in the coming months.

It'll be available soon enough. As I say, roughly a third of the audience left looking more than a little disgruntled. I can't recall the last time I attended a film screening so many people walked out of. Hidden caused people to scurry to the exits, but that was almost a decade ago.

There were quite a few recent new releases I hoped to watch, but didn't have the time. I was planning a Her and Inside Llewyn Davis double bill a good month back, though missed my chance.
 

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
A few great Kurosawa films to look out for on Film4 over the next week.

Ikiru

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044741/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Throne Of Blood

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050613/?ref_=nv_sr_1

The Hidden Fortress

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Yojimbo

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055630/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Sanjuro

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056443/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Have set Sanjuro and Throne of Blood to record, Yojimbo didn't do it for me. Have I missed the others already?
 
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BenLaw said:
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
A few great Kurosawa films to look out for on Film4 over the next week.

Ikiru

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044741/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Throne Of Blood

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050613/?ref_=nv_sr_1

The Hidden Fortress

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Yojimbo

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055630/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Sanjuro

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056443/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Have set Sanjuro and Throne of Blood to record, Yojimbo didn't do it for me. Have I missed the others already?

You may have done Ben, Ikiru was on yesterday for certain, Hidden Fortress must have been too.

Yojimbo is my favourite Kurosawa film, give it another go. :)
 

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Re. Delicatessen. I tended to think less of stereotypes, and more of grotesque over exxaggerations the French put in their comedies. Almost comic book.

I know now it's post apocalyptic, but it not shoved down your throat. It could just be an isolated community in a slightly altered universe and atmospheric conditions just highlight the isolation.

I like that GdT does this as well. He has rules he follows but he lets you make your own mind up.

When do we need to watch The Trial by. I assumed it was the April film, so by the 30th ?
 

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
BenLaw said:
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
A few great Kurosawa films to look out for on Film4 over the next week.

Ikiru

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044741/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Throne Of Blood

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050613/?ref_=nv_sr_1

The Hidden Fortress

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Yojimbo

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055630/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Sanjuro

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056443/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Have set Sanjuro and Throne of Blood to record, Yojimbo didn't do it for me. Have I missed the others already?

You may have done Ben, Ikiru was on yesterday for certain, Hidden Fortress must have been too.

Yojimbo is my favourite Kurosawa film, give it another go. :)

:oops: Well, I'm open to persuasion as to its qualities but it basically seemed to be a western to me and there's only a tiny handful of westerns that I think are much good. I didn't actively dislike the film, it's just there's not much in that type of theme that grabs me.
 

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Re. Delicatessen. I tended to think less of stereotypes, and more of grotesque over exxaggerations the French put in their comedies. Almost comic book.

I know now it's post apocalyptic, but it not shoved down your throat. It could just be an isolated community in a slightly altered universe and atmospheric conditions just highlight the isolation.

I like that GdT does this as well. He has rules he follows but he lets you make your own mind up.

When do we need to watch The Trial by. I assumed it was the April film, so by the 30th ?

Agree with what you say re Delicatessen.

As for The Trial I'm not sure how strictly we've been sticking to months, although it does seem to have worked like that more or less. I guess everyone should watch it soon and everyone should discuss it when we've all seen it. I ordered the blu ray yesterday. I'd urge anyone who can, by renting or otherwise, to look at the blu if possible, it's a film with a difficult production history (like pretty much all Welles' films) and the DVD is meant to look pretty poor. Make sure whatever you watch has the opening prologue narrated by Welles.
 
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BenLaw said:
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You may have done Ben, Ikiru was on yesterday for certain, Hidden Fortress must have been too.

Yojimbo is my favourite Kurosawa film, give it another go. :)

:oops: Well, I'm open to persuasion as to its qualities but it basically seemed to be a western to me and there's only a tiny handful of westerns that I think are much good. I didn't actively dislike the film, it's just there's not much in that type of theme that grabs me.

As I'm sure you know, Yojimbo was remade as A Fistful Of Dollars. We all like different films Ben, and if it's not for you, it's not for you. I've only seen Hidden Fortress, Yojimbo, Seven Samurai, and Sanjuro of all of Kurosawa's films, but it's the one I like the most.
 

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Right, that makes sense. It's years since I've seen Fistful of Dollars and I was fairly indifferent about that. The only Westerns I can think of that I like are The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The Magnificent Seven (obviously with a similar heritage) and Butch Cassidy. I intend to watch The Searchers soon.
 

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The only Westerns I can think of that I like are The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The Magnificent Seven (obviously with a similar heritage) and Butch Cassidy.

If you like Sergio Leone, Once Upon a Time in the West is essential viewing. I'd argue that it's essential viewing anyway, however you feel about westerns. It's difficult to say much about the film without spoilers.

Once Upon a Time features one of my favourite scenes in any film. It's not the oft cited opening train station sequence, but a bit later, when Claudia Cardinale* is left waiting at another station, set to what's arguably Ennio Morricone's greatest score.

I highly recommend McCabe and Mrs. Miller, too. (Worth highlighting as a countercultural take on the western, since you mentioned Butch Cassidy.)

* Fellini's dream woman.
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I intend to watch The Searchers soon.

There's much to be said about The Searchers, and Ford-Wayne collaborations more generally, with regard to issues of race and representation.

Whatever Marty says, and whatever the film's influence on Taxi Driver, I'd argue that it's not quite the progressive or apologist film some historians maintain.

Nevertheless, The Searchers is an important film historically, and the Blu-ray looks stunning, if somewhat revisionist in terms of colour timing.
 

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I have see Once Upon a Time in the West many years ago, can't say I remember much about it other than that it fell into the (relatively small) category of Westerns I didn't actively dislike. I also remember it being long, tho not as long as Once... In America. I will revisit it at some stage.

I have added McCabe to my list, thanks for the recommendation.

Not sure what you mean by colour timing, let alone it being revisionist...
 

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Not sure what you mean by colour timing, let alone it being revisionist...

Only that the Blu-ray release's colour balance is quite different from earlier home video issues. (I owned the film on DVD and Blu-ray a did a quick comparison.*) Whether the changes are for the better is perhaps largely subjective. The Blu-ray looks clear and striking, in any case.

I'm always puzzled by BD reviewers' comments about preserving the original film's aesthetic, like they knew how the film looked in cinemas when first screened, or could in any way remember. Besides, screenings of the same film would differ depending on a range of factors -- projector models and set-ups, the film print's age and general condition, environmental factors such as ambient light, etc...

* While it pains me to admit it, I really am that sad.
 
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A quick question. Have any of you been to see either "The Quiet Ones" or "The Double", as I fancy a trip to the cinema this week?
 

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
A quick question. Have any of you been to see either "The Quiet Ones" or "The Double", as I fancy a trip to the cinema this week?

The Quite Ones was ok - better than When The Lights Went Out, if you've seen that. For me, it relied a little too much on bumps and bangs for entertainment, rather than shock visuals. The Raid 2 was more enjoyable - there's some crazy ass fighting in that!

I do want to see The Double though, as I do like Richard Ayoade, and thoroughly enjoyed Submarine.
 
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