Could anyone tell me if the Panasonic TX32LXD700 displays the resolution onscreen (in the corner), when you switch to an input that is in use? I know most flatscreens show the resolution and Hz.in a box in the corner, for example: 1080/50p. Does the Panny show 1080/24p when such a signal is input via hdmi? The reason I ask is because I know the What Hi-Fi team say it is capable of 24Hz, but this is not listed anywhere by Panasonic so I am confused. Why wouldn't Panasonic mention this as it is an important feature to many people and could be a major factor in whether or not people buy the set?
The great Panasonic 24Hz mystery
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Panasonic told us they were mystified by "all the fuss" about 24fps - it seems they didn't realise it was such a big deal in terms of shouting about it, but built it into their sets anyway - as you'd expect from a company also selling Blu-ray players (well, that's the plan - Sony, do keep up).
I wish you'd been at our Show, when the Panasonics - 26in and 32in LCD, plus 37 and 42in plasmas - were lined up in a gallery, all showing a live feed of a Blu-ray disc at 24fps from a PS3. Not a judder or compatibility problem in sight, as all our earlier tests with a range of equipment also support.
I wish you'd been at our Show, when the Panasonics - 26in and 32in LCD, plus 37 and 42in plasmas - were lined up in a gallery, all showing a live feed of a Blu-ray disc at 24fps from a PS3. Not a judder or compatibility problem in sight, as all our earlier tests with a range of equipment also support.
I'm embarresed now because I was at the show and I did see the Panasonic LXD700 on display and it did look absolutely amazing! And I didn't notice any judder, but it just confused me that the 24fps thing wasn't mentioned by Panasonic, but now you have finally cleared this up for me to think about buying this TV. Also Claire, can I use any receiver with HDMI switching to carry a 24fps signal from a Blu-ray / HD DVD player to the Panasonic LXD700, with it being intact and at the right speed?
Cheers.
Cheers.
No worries - re our Show gallery, we thought that was the best way of showing what (all) the sets were capable of!
Re HDMI switching - it's just pass-through, so it'll be fine.
Re HDMI switching - it's just pass-through, so it'll be fine.
Ah - a thread stealing my thunder. You don't mention it Clare but is the 37" LCD 24fps also? And do the plasmas only refer to the newer series (PZ) and not the older PX models.
Thank you
Thank you
But Claire, don't most new receivers have upscaling built in, in which case the signal would not just pass through, but be fed through a scaler? Also what about the actual resolution? The Arcam Solo, for example, as you know has two hdmi inputs and is capable of upscaling up to 1080i. Wouldn't the 1080p signal in this case end up being downscaled to 1080i, or can you bypass the internal scaler?
If a receiver only upscales to 1080i, it's likely not be able to handle the bandwidth of a 1080p signal - so yes, it will downscale it.
That's a shame. But as long as a receiver can upscale to 1080p (and has standard HDMI inputs) then it can switch between HDMI inputs of 1080p at 24Hz? Or does the receiver have to have HDMI 1.3a compatible inputs?
Also, just out of interest, what Hz does the Panasonic 32LXD700 run its 24fps signals at? What happens about the 100Hz motion pro thing when the set is displaying 24fps? Does it switch off? Or does it still work but at a slightly different rate; 96Hz maybe?
Also, just out of interest, what Hz does the Panasonic 32LXD700 run its 24fps signals at? What happens about the 100Hz motion pro thing when the set is displaying 24fps? Does it switch off? Or does it still work but at a slightly different rate; 96Hz maybe?
Hi Clare,
Can you clarify which Panasonic LCDs and Plasmas output at a multiple of 24fps, i.e. 24, 48, 72hz etc. I've read several reviews and as I understand it none of the Panasonics currently output at "True" 24fps. I.e. they carry out 3:2 pulldown, rather than (for example) Pioneers 72hz mode 3:3, which would cause screen judder on panning shots.
Please can you clarify as there seem to be conflicting views and opinions!!! I'm looking to get either the PX70 or PZ70, but if the PZ70 does not output at true 24fps i'll go with the PX70 and save myself £200.
Thanks!
Can you clarify which Panasonic LCDs and Plasmas output at a multiple of 24fps, i.e. 24, 48, 72hz etc. I've read several reviews and as I understand it none of the Panasonics currently output at "True" 24fps. I.e. they carry out 3:2 pulldown, rather than (for example) Pioneers 72hz mode 3:3, which would cause screen judder on panning shots.
Please can you clarify as there seem to be conflicting views and opinions!!! I'm looking to get either the PX70 or PZ70, but if the PZ70 does not output at true 24fps i'll go with the PX70 and save myself £200.
Thanks!
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That's a shame. But as long as a receiver can upscale to 1080p (and has standard HDMI inputs) then it can switch between HDMI inputs of 1080p at 24Hz? Or does the receiver have to have HDMI 1.3a compatible inputs?
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If you're buying a source capable of 24fps HD, you should be buying a receiver with HDMI 1.3s anyway, so you've got all the other audio/visual options at your disposal.
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What happens about the 100Hz motion pro thing when the set is displaying 24fps? Does it switch off?
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Yes - the 100Hz comes into play with the set's tuner. If it's fed a 24fps source, that's what you'll see.
That's a shame. But as long as a receiver can upscale to 1080p (and has standard HDMI inputs) then it can switch between HDMI inputs of 1080p at 24Hz? Or does the receiver have to have HDMI 1.3a compatible inputs?
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If you're buying a source capable of 24fps HD, you should be buying a receiver with HDMI 1.3s anyway, so you've got all the other audio/visual options at your disposal.
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What happens about the 100Hz motion pro thing when the set is displaying 24fps? Does it switch off?
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Yes - the 100Hz comes into play with the set's tuner. If it's fed a 24fps source, that's what you'll see.
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Can you clarify which Panasonic LCDs and Plasmas output at a multiple of 24fps, i.e. 24, 48, 72hz etc. I've read several reviews and as I understand it none of the Panasonics currently output at "True" 24fps. I.e. they carry out 3:2 pulldown, rather than (for example) Pioneers 72hz mode 3:3, which would cause screen judder on panning shots.
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The new-season 70/700 Panasonics we've tested - all listed in our lovely Buyer's Guide - handle true 24fps. If they were using pulldown you'd see exactly the same juddering problems as if the source couldn't handle 24fps. That is certainly not the case.
Again, I wish you'd seen the line-up - from 26in LCD to 42in plasma - of Panasonics we had in a gallery at the Show, smoothly showing Blu-ray discs at 24fps....
I also wish Panasonic would either a) get their specs updated or b) come on here and answer these questions!
Can you clarify which Panasonic LCDs and Plasmas output at a multiple of 24fps, i.e. 24, 48, 72hz etc. I've read several reviews and as I understand it none of the Panasonics currently output at "True" 24fps. I.e. they carry out 3:2 pulldown, rather than (for example) Pioneers 72hz mode 3:3, which would cause screen judder on panning shots.
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The new-season 70/700 Panasonics we've tested - all listed in our lovely Buyer's Guide - handle true 24fps. If they were using pulldown you'd see exactly the same juddering problems as if the source couldn't handle 24fps. That is certainly not the case.
Again, I wish you'd seen the line-up - from 26in LCD to 42in plasma - of Panasonics we had in a gallery at the Show, smoothly showing Blu-ray discs at 24fps....
I also wish Panasonic would either a) get their specs updated or b) come on here and answer these questions!
Clare,
thanks a lot for your precious advices and sorry for asking again (and for my bad English), but we customers need to be as sure as possible before paying our $ buying a new televsion.
When "new season 70/700 Panasonic" do you mean just the pz serie or the px serie too (42px70 for example) ?
I read your buyers guide too but I'm not sure to understand.
The problem is that even other expert like Andy Clough wrote something like "when we test 42px70 in true 24fps mode, we got no sound...".
We all have many doubts now.
I'd love to buy a 42px70 but since I have in mind I'll buy a Bluray player soon I'd like to know how I'll see blu discs on it. I'll surely feel bad seeing juddering or stuff like that ...
Thanks a lot again
thanks a lot for your precious advices and sorry for asking again (and for my bad English), but we customers need to be as sure as possible before paying our $ buying a new televsion.
When "new season 70/700 Panasonic" do you mean just the pz serie or the px serie too (42px70 for example) ?
I read your buyers guide too but I'm not sure to understand.
The problem is that even other expert like Andy Clough wrote something like "when we test 42px70 in true 24fps mode, we got no sound...".
We all have many doubts now.
I'd love to buy a 42px70 but since I have in mind I'll buy a Bluray player soon I'd like to know how I'll see blu discs on it. I'll surely feel bad seeing juddering or stuff like that ...
Thanks a lot again
The model numbers we've tested - including for full 24fps support - are clearly shown in the buyer's guide, and are far too numerous to list here.
However, I can confirm the TH42PX70 is one of them - we gave it an Award in its price class, and it was one of the sets in our HD gallery at the Show, happily running Blu-ray discs. Not a judder in sight.
However, I can confirm the TH42PX70 is one of them - we gave it an Award in its price class, and it was one of the sets in our HD gallery at the Show, happily running Blu-ray discs. Not a judder in sight.
Clare,
sorry to disturb you again, but - as I told you - It seems I speak not just for myself but for all the people with the same doubts.
I live in Italy so that I can't see What Hi-Fi exposition and its tests, I have some difficulties in buying your magazine (thinking about a subscription in fact) but ... on the issue I bought called "Ultimate Giudes Digital TV" (october07?) I read in the px70's review "its onboard 1080p processor accapts blu-ray and hd dvd content, and scales admirably. TRUE, IT WON'T HANDLE THE OPTIMUM QUALITY 24 FRAMES PER SECOND BUT ..." (!)
I don't find any other test result concernign 24fps. Just the other Andy Clough article saying "24fps - no sound".
Can you tell us something more ?
Thanks again. How could with buy without your kind advices
l.
sorry to disturb you again, but - as I told you - It seems I speak not just for myself but for all the people with the same doubts.
I live in Italy so that I can't see What Hi-Fi exposition and its tests, I have some difficulties in buying your magazine (thinking about a subscription in fact) but ... on the issue I bought called "Ultimate Giudes Digital TV" (october07?) I read in the px70's review "its onboard 1080p processor accapts blu-ray and hd dvd content, and scales admirably. TRUE, IT WON'T HANDLE THE OPTIMUM QUALITY 24 FRAMES PER SECOND BUT ..." (!)
I don't find any other test result concernign 24fps. Just the other Andy Clough article saying "24fps - no sound".
Can you tell us something more ?
Thanks again. How could with buy without your kind advices
l.
Apologies for the confusion. The Ultimate Guide text was based on the original, First Test of the Panasonic we did in May this year, when there were no 24fps HD sources yet on the market to test the ability of such sets - at the time, we specifically checked with Panasonic, who stated the set did not have 24fps.
Now that 24fps players (HD DVD and Blu-ray) are available, we have since re-tested the Panasonic (and every other TV!) in our Awards judging and subsequent Group Tests/Supertests and have found the set to support 24fps.
Now that 24fps players (HD DVD and Blu-ray) are available, we have since re-tested the Panasonic (and every other TV!) in our Awards judging and subsequent Group Tests/Supertests and have found the set to support 24fps.
Where can i read about your new "Group Tests/Supertests" (where you explain that px70,700 etc. support 24fps) ?
I hope not on november issue (maybe december!) since novermber It's not avaiable anymore here in italy (may I pay and buy a pdf number of your magazine?).
I suppose it supports 24fps with sound too. isn't it ? (frankly Andy said "I tested it and have no sound ...")
So - if I understood - playing a bluray on px70 I'll see a scaled resolution (not the at full blueray possibility) but a smooth 24fps no jaddering or artifacts movement. Isn't it ?
The result should be very good, better than a common dvd. Am I right ?
Thanks again Clare, you're the best
I hope not on november issue (maybe december!) since novermber It's not avaiable anymore here in italy (may I pay and buy a pdf number of your magazine?).
I suppose it supports 24fps with sound too. isn't it ? (frankly Andy said "I tested it and have no sound ...")
So - if I understood - playing a bluray on px70 I'll see a scaled resolution (not the at full blueray possibility) but a smooth 24fps no jaddering or artifacts movement. Isn't it ?
The result should be very good, better than a common dvd. Am I right ?
Thanks again Clare, you're the best
Sadly I don't have that info here at home at 7.15pm on a Friday night! Will need to find out next week...
Hi, Your comment "So - if I understood - playing a bluray on px70 I'll see a scaled resolution (not the at full blueray possibility) but a smooth 24fps no jaddering or artifacts movement." You will not see the frames at 24fps but it will be scaled to 50 Frames per second. Panasonic do not have a panel that shows 24fps yet
Actually it won't be converted to 50 frames per second, but to 60 frames per second. However, it does an excellent job of this, unlike most of the HD players that introduce the dreaded 'judder' effect when they are asked to perform this same task (3:2 pulldown that is). By the way, it's 'judder' not 'jadder'!
Hi Benjamin, Some older screens cannot handle the 50hz frame rate but I thought the Panasonic would be able to handle this o/k. I have tried 1080 I and P on the input of the hdmi input on a Hitachi and it cannnot display it either. May we should call it jadder when it cant display it ??
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