Synology DS213J vs Synology DS214?

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

Here is a Synology forum link that says it all.

and sorry i've said 5 year support but i was rong it seems like they only give 3 years support...

http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=248&t=90589&start=60

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

That's fine, but there's no reason why DS213J won't be able to update its software while DS214 could.

It doesn't work like that in Synology, the Softwear updates are specific to each model, so in 2016 it will be the last update provided to 2013 models.

 

[Xanderzdad]

That's fine, but there's no reason why DS213J won't be able to update its software while DS214 could.

It doesn't work like that in Synology, the Softwear updates are specific to each model, so in 2016 it will be the last update provided to 2013 models.

I've never seen anything to suggest that they stop supporting models. Some features may be model specific but most of the software is updated regardless of model.

The DS210J is still getting the same updates as mine so the 3 year rule is obviously a myth. The 5 year old 209J is only getting a 4.2 update, but that is due to it's hardware limits and not specific to it's age.

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

That's fine, but there's no reason why DS213J won't be able to update its software while DS214 could.

It doesn't work like that in Synology, the Softwear updates are specific to each model, so in 2016 it will be the last update provided to 2013 models.

I've never seen anything to suggest that they stop supporting models. Some features may be model specific but most of the software is updated regardless of model.

The DS210J is still getting the same updates as mine so the 3 year rule is obviously a myth. The 5 year old 209J is only getting a 4.2 update, but that is due to it's hardware limits and not specific to it's age.

Have you read the forum thread?

 

[bigboss]

That's fine, but there's no reason why DS213J won't be able to update its software while DS214 could.

It doesn't work like that in Synology, the Softwear updates are specific to each model, so in 2016 it will be the last update provided to 2013 models.

I've never seen anything to suggest that they stop supporting models. Some features may be model specific but most of the software is updated regardless of model.

The DS210J is still getting the same updates as mine so the 3 year rule is obviously a myth.  The 5 year old 209J is only getting a 4.2 update, but that is due to it's hardware limits and not specific to it's age.

Have you read the forum thread? 

What about it? Francisco isn't interested in streaming video which is the only major advantage of DS214. I would assume he has read the thread before asking the question, and he still isn't sure if DS214 is worth the extra money.

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

That's fine, but there's no reason why DS213J won't be able to update its software while DS214 could.

It doesn't work like that in Synology, the Softwear updates are specific to each model, so in 2016 it will be the last update provided to 2013 models.

I've never seen anything to suggest that they stop supporting models. Some features may be model specific but most of the software is updated regardless of model.

The DS210J is still getting the same updates as mine so the 3 year rule is obviously a myth. The 5 year old 209J is only getting a 4.2 update, but that is due to it's hardware limits and not specific to it's age.

Have you read the forum thread?

What about it? Francisco isn't interested in streaming video which is the only major advantage of DS214. I would assume he has read the thread before asking the question, and he still isn't sure if DS214 is worth the extra money.

But he can get the DSM 214j.

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

Hi

First of all, i want to say that i really appreciate your interest on helping me!

I read the all thread but my doubt remained because it was from last year and even i don't intend to stream video (my tv is one of the first Samsung LED models and it doesn't have Wi-fi; the possibility is by ethernet), i could use it once a while but it's not a major thing since i can get up my butt from the couch and plug my laptop to the HDMI cable. So my doubt, besides if it worth the extra money to buy the DS214, that by mistake i didn't refer previously, is the question of the years. I never had any product from Synology and i don't know if this is one company that you should always by a product from the latest line or if there is no problem to buy one of last years model.

In relation to what was spoken about DSM updates/upgrades, i saw the thread on Synology's forum and i agree with what people are saying there: After the three years, and if there's no hardware limitation, Synology could release new updates/upgrades for some money (not much, obviously!). I think, and i can be wrong, that when someone decides to spend money on a NAS, is not to be "always" upgrading it; on business products maybe but not the home user like me.

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

Hi Francisco are you from Portugal?

If yes i can give you the contact of Digicom and you cam have a conversation with them, they ate the company that i've bought my Synology NAS from. Very nice people and they are alway there to give you all the support you need regarding Synology.

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

Hi Francisco are you from Portugal??

If yes i can give you the contact of Digicom and you cam have a conversation with them, they ate the company that i've bought my Synology NAS from. Very nice people and they are alway there to give you all the support you need regarding Synology.

Yes, i'm from this beautiful country ruled by morons

They hate why and what does that matter for my case? lol
When i search for "Digicom", it takes me to Expansys. I already know where I'm going to buy the Synology (when i decided for which model) and the 2 WD: Amazon.de and a Portuguese store called PcDiga. It's where i found the best prices.
I don't want to make questions to guys from a store and in the end say: "Ok, thanks for your help but i will buy on another store because it's cheaper.

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

Hi Francisco are you from Portugal?

If yes i can give you the contact of Digicom and you cam have a conversation with them, they ate the company that i've bought my Synology NAS from. Very nice people and they are alway there to give you all the support you need regarding Synology.

Yes, i'm from this beautiful country ruled by morons

They hate why and what does that matter for my case? lol When i search for "Digicom", it takes me to Expansys. I already know where I'm going to buy the Synology (when i decided for which model) and the 2 WD: Amazon.de and a Portuguese store called PcDiga. It's where i found the best prices. I don't want to make questions to guys from a store and in the end say: "Ok, thanks for your help but i will buy on another store because it's cheaper.

Dá uma vista de olhos...

http://www.forumhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29036&page=9

Abraço

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

Dá uma vista de olhos...

http://www.forumhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29036&page=9

Abraço

Ah, Digicomp... now i remember of being on their website 2 days ago but i don' know how i get there. lol

I can get the DS213j on Amazon.de for 140.50€ and the DS214 for 249.68€. Regrding to the WD, on PcDiga the WD Red 1TB costs 64.89€ and the 2TB for 96.51€. Do you think they have better prices? My goal is to buy the best solution for the small amount of money.

Abraço

(Respondi em inglês por achar ser o mais correcto aqui.)

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

Dá uma vista de olhos...

http://www.forumhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29036&page=9

Abraço

Ah, Digicomp... now i remember of being on their website 2 days ago but i don' know how i get there. lol

I can get the DS213j on Amazon.de for 140.50€ and the DS214 for 249.68€. Regrding to the WD, on PcDiga the WD Red 1TB costs 64.89€ and the 2TB for 96.51€. Do you think they have better prices? My goal is to buy the best solution for the small amount of money.

Abraço

(Respondi em inglês por achar ser o mais correcto aqui.)

The best thing about buying from some one that has a open door is the service provided by them.

Digicomp will provide you with free costumer service, and that kind of service this days is priceless.

Give them a call, you'll not regret.

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

The best thing about buying from some one that has a open door is the service provided by them.

Digicomp will provide you with free costumer service, and that kind of service this days is priceless.

Give them a call, you'll not regret.

(I think i reported your post by mistake! Fu...)

Yes i know but given my budget, my goal is to get what best suite for me for the less price possible. But ok, i'll talk with them and see the price that they do.

Thanks

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

Hi-FiOutlaw

I received the answer from the Digicomp and in have to say that it get an opinion and what is was afraid to get due to what is said to you about the money. I searched the possibility to send you a pm with the answer but it's not possible.

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

Hi-FiOutlaw

I received the answer from the Digicomp and in have to say that it get an opinion and what is was afraid to get due to what is said to you about the money. I searched the possibility to send you a pm with the answer but it's not possible.

The hifi forum ended some time ago.

Mod or JD it is possible to give my email to Francisco Castro please.

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

The hifi forum ended some time ago.

Mod or JD it is possible to give my email to Francisco Castro please.

Hi,

It's not need anymore since i made my choice about where to buy it

What, in your opinion, are the advantages and disadvantages between SHR and RAID1 for 2 1TB HDD? And for 2 2TB? (To backup my files and to use the Synology to stream music and maybe video)

Thanks

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

The hifi forum ended some time ago.

Mod or JD it is possible to give my email to Francisco Castro please.

Hi,

It's not need anymore since i made my choice about where to buy it

What, in your opinion, are the advantages and disadvantages between SHR and RAID1 for 2 1TB HDD? And for 2 2TB? (To backup my files and to use the Synology to stream music and maybe video)

Thanks

My opinion is that you'll run out of space very quickly... I've got 2x3tb and in two years time i've added a external USB 3tb HD just for video contend, living the NAS only for music and holiday pictures.

So it will depend on the size of you music library, a ripped CD can take ip to 250/350gb

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

For now, 2 WD 2TB are enough for backup (documents, music and photos).

But which is better to use? SHR or RAID1? In RAID1, 2 HDD 1TB means 2HDD with 500GB (and 1TB each if it's 2 of 2TB) each since RAID1 "steals" half of the capacity of each hdd, right?

 

[bigboss]

RAID 1 isn't a substitute for backup because there are a lot of risks that it can't protect against.

If you accidentally delete a file, it will instantly be removed from both mirrored copies.

If your disk is corrupted by a software bug or virus, the corruption will be done to both mirrored copies simultaneously.

If you're hit by a bad enough power surge, it'll probably fry both disks at the same time.

Also, I would recommend WD Red Drives as they're optimised for NAS. And buy from 2 different places, so that they're from different batches. Hard disks from the same batch are likely to fail at the same time if there's a manufacturing defect.

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

So how do you use it for backup? Is SHR the same thing as RAID1 or is more secure?

 

[bigboss]

The only true way of backing up is to have another external HDD and schedule Synology to automatically back up data.

Check these links:

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_conduct_a_backup_to_USB/eSATA_Disks

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

The only true way of backing up is to have another external HDD and schedule Synology to automatically back up data.

Check these links:

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_conduct_a_backup_to_USB/eSATA_Disks

So, 2 HDD on RAID1 can be used to backup (if one fails, we have all the things on the second one) but it's not 100% secure because if something is deleted on the primary disk, it will be reflected on the mirror disk. So, it can be used as backup but the best is to complement this with a "2nd" backup to a external HDD, right?! And it is possible in RAID1, when transferring the files to the main drive, these are automatically mirrored in the 2nd HDD (belonging to RAID1) and an external HDD?

Sorry but in relation to the SHR vs RAID, i think I didn't quite understand the functioning in practice.

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

Since the advantage of the RAID1 is to make a 1:1 copy of the data on the primary disk and is advised to connect an external HDD in order to perform a "real" backup, what is the point of using a NAS in RAID1? You can use a single bay NAS with an external HDD plug in; if the NAs disk fail, you buy another one and restore your files from the external device, right?

 

[bigboss]

RAID 1 protects you against disc failure. If 1 disc fails, you don't have ot rebuild another disc. It's already mirrored onto another disc. With an external HDD, you have to rebuild your disc.

I would suggest a combination of RAID 1 / SHR in a 2-bay NAS with an external HDD for back up. The external HDD can remain disconnected during storage so it doesn't get affected by electrical surge.

Your other option is to use 1 hard drive in the NAS as the backup. You ditch RAID altogether. Of course, if the entire NAS fails due ot a power surge, then both hard drives fail.

 

[hybridauth_Google_113583658945786231480]

I really have to decide if i buy a single or if it's worth (for what i need) to invest more on a dual bay but it hasn't been easy to decide which one to choose.

Sorry but i don't understand what you mean with "ditch RAID altogether"