Surround package for 5 grand. Any suggestions?

bretty

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Hey all,

I'm changing my speaker package. I like my Tannoys but I fancy a change.

I've done no auditions yet, but on looks and reviews, I'm liking the Focal Aria package, with either the 926 or 936 floorstanding and the bipole surrounds. It would come in at around £4000.

Does anyone have this package?

Also, any alternative solutions for £5000, tops?

Cheers!
 

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Is there any particular reason why you are going for bipole rear speakers? Will you be able to position them in the optimum place?

Which AV receiver will you be using to power them?
 

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BB, thanks for the suggestion. They seem like a proper bargain. They get glowing reviews, I just don't know if I love the looks. They're defo on the shortlist, though!
 

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Hi David,

I like the idea of bipole speakers for their sound dispersion property. I'd imagine they produce a more immersive sound than standard surrounds. What is the optimum position? My existing surrounds are wall mounted 1.5 metres behind the listening position. It's a dedicated cinema room, so they could be mounted wherever you suggest would be best

Nearly forgot, they'll be powered by my Sony STR-DA5400ES.
 

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Hi Bretty, old son....good to see you on here.

I think you should consider Kef, as like Tannoy, they have the Tweeter inside the Mid.

You could either have LS50s all round with a very decent Sub; or R700s / R500s + R600C + R800DS / R100 / R300.

I have Dipoles because it suits the room, but if I had the option, I think I would rather have the more focused effects with standard speakers.
 

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Cheers, Cno, me ol mucker!

I've just had a gander at the Kefs and the 700s especially are lovely looking speakers. Added to the short list for demo.

How are you anyway, fella?
 
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Hi Bretty

I don't have any advice at all, but I just wanted to say that it's good to see you on here again.

I was only thinking the other day about who hadn't been on here for a while, and I noticed you hadn't been on for 8 months or so, is that right?
 

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bretty said:
Cheers, Cno, me ol mucker!

I've just had a gander at the Kefs and the 700s especially are lovely looking speakers. Added to the short list for demo.

How are you anyway, fella?

They Kefs are very good and would be my favorites in their price range.

As for me, I'm doing better, thanks. Spent the last 8 months slowly building up my strength / fitness in the local gym and have booked a skiing hol on the strength of it (have been unable to ski/golf for the last 4 years). I have also managed 4 rounds of Golf over the Summer.
 

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Hey buddy, cheers for the welcome back!

It must be around that long since I've been on, it was when I was looking at getting the new AV amp and that was ages ago.

What new with you, got any new kit?
 

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CnoEvil said:
bretty said:
Cheers, Cno, me ol mucker!

I've just had a gander at the Kefs and the 700s especially are lovely looking speakers. Added to the short list for demo.

How are you anyway, fella?

They Kefs are very good and would be my favorites in their price range.

As for me, I'm doing better, thanks. Spent the last 8 months slowly building up my strength / fitness in the local gym and have booked a skiing hol on the strength of it (have been unable to ski/golf for the last 4 years). I have also managed 4 rounds of Golf over the Summer.

Glad you're well on your way to fitness matey. You must be chuffed to be able to get out on the course again!
 
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bretty said:
Hey buddy, cheers for the welcome back!

It must be around that long since I've been on, it was when I was looking at getting the new AV amp and that was ages ago.

What new with you, got any new kit?

Nothing new since the Dali speakers, which were at the beginning of the year (I think). I'd like another pair of Dalis for rears, but I'm not overflush at the moment. I've got some turntables, speakers and other stuff that I bought cheaply with the intention of cleaning up and getting fully working, to sell, but I never seem to have the time or inclination to do the work.
 
They're superb speakers (KK Quatro). I demoed them at Frank Harvey Hi Fi when they used to sell them. KK DXD12012 is the best subwoofer I demoed yet. I've got KK DXD808.

Frank Harvey have a pair or KK Quatro speakers on clearance, and there's a KK Quatro centre speaker on clearance at www.lsound.co.uk. You can save some cash. My KK subwoofer was an ex-demo at L-Sound. As good as new, with a 20% discount over original price.

http://www.hifix.co.uk/home-cinema-speakers/ken-kreisel-sound/q85-quattro.html

http://www.lsound.co.uk/outlet/ken-kreisel-q125-center-demo.html
 
Also, last month, Allan at Ideal AV had a brand new KK DXD12012 for sale for £1500. Not sure about warranty though.

SVS subwoofers are highly regarded as well. Ellisdj raves about SB13 Ultra that he's got.

Ken Kreisel invented the subwoofer.
 

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Thanks, BB. It was the the Lsound website that I saw the svs ultra on. I think they look cool in piano black,
especially the tower floorstanders. To be honest, the sub will have to wait. I'll im attracted to it but the 5 grand budget will be blown on the speakers.
 
One more suggestion: if the product is available elsewhere, prefer to buy it from UK rather than L-Sound who are based in Norway. Frank Harvey Hi Fi at Coventry and Nick at H Sound also sell SVS subwoofers, and I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to price match. After sales service and support will be a lot easier.
 

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Ok, but make sure you don't end up not buying a subwoofer at all. IMO it makes the single biggest difference to your home cinema system.
I'm with you there. I'll be using my existing Rel until I can afford the sub upgrade.
 

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bretty said:
Hi David,

I like the idea of bipole speakers for their sound dispersion property. I'd imagine they produce a more immersive sound than standard surrounds. What is the optimum position? My existing surrounds are wall mounted 1.5 metres behind the listening position. It's a dedicated cinema room, so they could be mounted wherever you suggest would be best

Nearly forgot, they'll be powered by my Sony STR-DA5400ES.

I'm not familiar with the receiver, so I'll have to make a few assumptions!

I'm presuming it is dipole speakers you're after rather than bipole. Dipoles work best when placed on the side walls, either side of the listening position. Basically you sit in the null while the sound is thrown up and down the room, partly replicating the multiple side speakers present in a cinema. Ideally they should be a good 1/1.5m away from the rear walls too, as the reflected sound from a speaker near to the rear wall gives away the speakers location, which you don't want.

As mentioned by Cno, the KEF R Series is a good start - their UniQ driver array possesses a wider soundstage than many other speakers, and usually helps to produce an expansive, seamless soundstage.

The Dali Rubicon range is another stunner, although they don't have any dipole surrounds. Fast, detailed, energetic, and seemingly a fairly easy load too.

You mention Ken Kreisel's speakers. These are excellent, but like all sub/sat packages, require a suitable sub, one that provides top notch performance up to 100Hz and beyond. Many subwoofers are designed to reach as low and loud as possible, but usually end up being compromised higher up the range, particularly where they're supposed to let the speakers take over (typically 80Hz). For accurate film reproduction, it is the 40-80Hz range that is more important than the range below 40Hz, as this is where much of the punch you hear and feel in a film takes place. It's all very well having ground shaking bass, but that isn't as realistic as witnessing real punch when suitable - I witnessed this when I went to see the new turtles movie - how the cinema speakers were still working properly I have no idea! This is something Ken's subs have always excelled with. As BigBoss has mentioned, there's also the SVS subs, which are fantastic value for money - how many other sub manufacturers provide you with a 12" driver for less than £1000 nowadays? You're usually lucky to get a single 8". And the SB13 Ultra for £1500 is great value with its 13.5" driver, something which some manufacturers will charge you over twice that price for!
 

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Thanks David, some real food for thought there. I've not heard of the Rubicons but I like DALI, so I'll defo check those out. If budget allows I'll get a kk sub but if not, I'll happily plump for an svs.
 

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Just had a look at the Rubicons and they look nice. No dedicated centre, from the looks of it though.

I've just stumbled across the B&W CM10 S2. Looks wise, they are a proper bit of me! Love, love, love the look of them!

Are they any good, though? Anyone know?
 

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bretty said:
I'm now swinging back towards the Focal Aria package and pairing it with the KK DXD-12012.

FWIW. My advice is to make no decisions without demoing the alternatives....it's too much money to take any chances with.
 

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