Question Suggestions for foundational parts of a longer term vinyl setup

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I’m finding the ATC incredibly transparent, it’s scaling well and is a beautiful combo with the N50.
I’d love to try the petites but nobody up here in the wild tundra does them.
Richer SOUNDS have offered me a pair with a good discount and I could try at home with all that faff or just stick with the ATC which I am enjoying a lot
 
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Gotcha.
I’m finding the ATC incredibly transparent, it’s scaling well and is a beautiful combo with the N50.
I’d love to try the petites but nobody up here in the wild tundra does them.
Richer SOUNDS have offered me a pair with a good discount and I could try at home with all that faff or just stick with the ATC which I am enjoying a lot
You can’t go wrong with ATC in my book. The SCM40 easily showed up its ‘rivals’ when I auditioned them in 2017. I still have them, and hanker for the Active version which I had to forgo when I got the chance to buy the ‘barn find’ Sonus faber Guarneri Memento.

The SCM11 has the same tweeter as all the modestly called ‘Entry’ series. All the drivers are made in sunny Gloucestershire. Transparent is indeed the word! 🙂

Pic of mine getting the unboxing treatment!
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You’re sounding like an ATC convert! They are excellent speakers, though some find them too revealing I think. Can you run to SCM40s though it might be worth looking for used or ex demo?
I can run to 40s but not needed.
The 19s would be fine in my snug.
I’m going to try the 11s in here tomorrow.
My big room has some TX9 s. They’re a hybrid I suppose of ATC and PMC. Big buggers!
 
Gotcha.
I’m finding the ATC incredibly transparent, it’s scaling well and is a beautiful combo with the N50.
I’d love to try the petites but nobody up here in the wild tundra does them.
Richer SOUNDS have offered me a pair with a good discount and I could try at home with all that faff or just stick with the ATC which I am enjoying a lot
How were you able to demo the Mystique Classics but not the Petite's? I had to wait about 4 days for Audio-T to get hold of the Petite's and had assumed that if you're near a Neat dealer, they should be able to get hold of the whole range?

I'm looking forward to the audition now. Have settled on a five-track playlist to test out the sort of things I'm looking to hear and I might even give the Meze 109 Pro's a listen versus the 105s while I'm there and see if there is any room to wangle a deal.
 
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1746426010082.pngstraight swap possibility RTH at Peter Tyson from the Nait50 for the I9 XR. The i9XR will grip those LS50's like you can't imagine, especially if the LS50 is an ideal fit in your room !!!
might however be a bit too resolving!
but one helluva discount !
 
The LS50 Metas are probably off tomorrow, after a small-scale bidding war erupted on Gumtree.

Audio-T offered a paltry £400 and I've managed to coax some rival bidders to a significantly higher sum and someone is due round tomorrow evening to have a listen. If for some reason it falls through, I think I'll stick with the KEFs to be honest, but if not - the dragon chasing continues.
 
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I’m keen to hear thoughts on the petites, especially as your using them against a wall…..
I suspect that rear porting will act like my DALI porting and create a bit of boomy mush…
They should have enough clearance and if not, that's why we have port bungs. I know that I have to make compromises with the current positioning and c'est la vie.
 
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Thursday morning. I'm really enjoying the Meta's now, which is just typical 🙄 😆
Yeah, the N50 should grip them well.
I’ve pulled the trigger on the ATC SCM11 this morning.
They’re simply superb in my small home office.
Chasin* rainbows wit( the PETITES and the N50 has the SCM gripped. No more than 0930 on the dial needed.

Listen to John Martyn, “Church With One Bell” and let me know how you like N50 into LS50

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They are great speakers, as long as you don't want lots of deep bass. I enjoyed my pre-Meta models, which were the rare Black Edition. Sold them for what I paid, nearly new, about £550 iirc.

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Yes, I'm not especially fussed about bassy speakers and as that's a general area of struggle for many standmounted speakers, it doesn't really concern me.

Oddly the Gumtree potential buyer from yesterday made a three hour round trip to come and listen last night, really liked them and then drove back after saying "I'll think about it and get back to you tomorrow", having shared lots of positive reviews and analysis of those speakers with me throughout the day!
 
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Today is demo day. Somewhat soured by the Gumtree sale falling through "because I've just bought an OLED TV instead" (!), but that doesn't really influence things; I just have to go with the lower trade-in price already offered.

As usual, I just want to be able to hear a tangible difference that I like and that I feel offers "value".
 
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Well.....Big post:

Two-ish hours testing out four sets of speakers - the ex-demo PMC twenty5.21i, ProAc Tablette 10, the Neat Petite Classics and.....one extra pair. I declined to listen to a couple of sets of floorstanders.

The PMCs had minor aesthetic damage that was *just* about within the limits that would bother me. They sounded great - very full, weren't too fussy about placement (I was walking about to try to replicate the way we have to listen at home), and seemed especially capable with vocals (as evidence by Norah Jones' "She's 22"). Very solid grip of lower-end frequencies too.

The ProAcs were the surprise package I wanted to hear and they couldn't have been more visually appealing than the "functional" PMCs if they'd tried. They were a fun listen but relatively struggled with lower frequencies. Not in a massive way, but an audible way nonetheless. I had Cowboys by Portishead from their Roseland NYC session playing, and the deep cello strokes didn't carry enough weight and impact.

The Neat's took the spunkiness of the ProAcs and took it up a few notches. I don't know what the words are but they just sounded great and it belies their size - they are really not very deep in dimension terms but whilst there was perhaps *some* bass degradation relative to the PMCs, the fun element outstripped that slight downside. Standout track in comparison to the others was Rearviewmirror by Pearl Jam which just ratchets up the fun factor throughout and it was a proper smile-fest. Handled it brilliantly.

And the final pair? Well my Gumtree sale of the LS50 Metas fell through so I thought it was logical to listen to them through my amp in a "proper" listening room - I'd brought them with me to part-exchange anyway.

They instantly sounded significantly better than at home, which was to be expected and I can only assume is the prime benefit of being in a soft-furnished, carpeted living-room compared to a sound reflecting box of hard surfaces at home. It was transformative and once I remembered to take out the port bungs, they were very close to the PMCs and ProAcs. I think comparing the three, my order would be PMC > KEF > ProAc, just because the ProAc's skinny bass really stood out once I removed the KEF bungs.

Compared to the Neat's? The Neat's top the list and probably by a reasonable distance - they're just fun all over and the amp seemed totally at home with them. But I had a quandary - a big learning was that I love the Neat's, I want them and will get some at some point. But the difference between how the KEFs sound in an optimal vs. sub-optimal room was the main takeaway. If I had sold the KEFs on Gumtree I have no doubt that I'd be listening to the Neat's right now, and I'd be wondering why they didn't sound as good at home.

Being able to "audition" my own speakers in a proper space showed me that they're actually really rather good.; very good actually. They sound good at home, but significantly better in the right space. I ultimately concluded that it doesn't make sense at this stage to throw another ~£1,300 at an upgrade whose characteristics won't be fully realised at home. So I have set the KEFs back up at home and will pause chasing that particular unicorn / dragon for a bit.

I can afford the upgrade, but making the purchase and knowing I'd immediately dilute its impact just doesn't make sense to me. What WILL make a difference is headphones, so I'm pausing on speakers and switching attention elsewhere!
 
Spot on. Good news on the PETITES that matches all other perspectives
Ported speakers ni use in my office even though as you say in ideal circumstances sound fantastic.
Home trial critical
Did the NAIT50 grip the LS50 well in the demo room ?
 

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