I've no idea, but I have the same amp as you, and I knew nothing of this function before you mentioned it, so thanks, I'm going to try it out.
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
Well its not really just a Tv function...
CEC covers the case when you have multiple devices (player, Tv, amp, etc.) each having its own remote control and the devices are joined together via HDMI wires. What happens is that when you send an I/R command from any particular remote control to its respective device, then the command is echoed along all the HDMI wires to all the other devices. The easiest to understand example is if you hit the off button on any remote control, then all other devices get turned off too, but it also applies to Pause, Play, Fwd, Rwd, Vol, and input select commands.
In my current case the HDMI is a "line" from Player to Receiver to Tv, and this works fine. However in future I would have a "Y" from Player to both Receiver and to Tv, and I don't know if that would work any more...
Edit: see this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#CEC for more
Well explained. I was aware of it, but had never used it.
I might see if I can set it up later, though the new tv is coming later, and I can't think of anything but that at the moment.
As for wether it will work with your new y set up, I really don't know, but presumably the commands will still travel down the line, so in theory, it should.
I might see if I can set it up later, though the new tv is coming later, and I can't think of anything but that at the moment.
As for wether it will work with your new y set up, I really don't know, but presumably the commands will still travel down the line, so in theory, it should.
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
I fear there may be problems due to the triangular HDMI connection topology: Player->Tv, Player->Receiver, Receiver->Tv.
When the Player proclaims itself as "CEC Active Device" the Tv should select the input from the Player, and the Receiver should select the (second) input from the Player. So far so good. But then (I fear) the Receiver would proclaim itself as "CEC Active Device" and thus cause the TV to select the indirect video path Player->Receiver->Tv rather than the direct (better) video path Player->Tv.
bigboss
Moderator
I have the same amp and TV and subsequently the same issue. The TV came with a free 3D Sony BDP-S490 and I still have my older Panasonic DMP-BD85. I understand that I could trade in the two Blu-ray players for a dual HDMI player but how much of an improvement do you guys think the Pioneer SCLX56 amp would make? I know you've recommended the dual HDMI route but just for the sake of argument do you think the Pioneer amp is significantly better than the 2400?
bigboss said:Just use a Logitech Harmony remote.
I bought one of those once. It broke within two weeks. I was not impressed...
bigboss
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AndrewFG said:bigboss said:Just use a Logitech Harmony remote.
I bought one of those once. It broke within two weeks. I was not impressed...
thats unusual. Mine is still going strong after almost 4 years. Besides, Logitech customer service is excellent. One of forum members's remote battery swelled up & damaged the remote after 30 months of use. Logitech sent a brand new replacement remote without any questions.
I just took delivery of my new Oppo BDP-103 Blu-Ray player, so am now in a position to give some feedback for the benefit of others:
1) The BDP-103 is brilliant! Highly recommended...
2) The Sony STR-DA2400ES Receiver does not support HDMI 3D pass-through; nor can it decode the audio part of a 3D signal.
3) The combination (Sony KDL-46HX850 TV, Oppo BDP-103 Blu-Ray, Sony STR-DA2400ES Receiver) does get its knickers in a twist concerning the HDMI CEC control commands. (I wrote to Oppo technical support with some suggestions to improve it, but we shall see if they are able to respond in kind...)
4) Another poster suggested using a Harmony Remote for setting scenes as an alternative to using the HDMI CEC control commands. In the meantime I have looked into these products, and am astounded how expensive they are. So I am now seriously thinking of selling the STR-DA2400ES, adding in the money that I would "save" by not buying a Harmony Remote, and buying a new Receiver having HDMI v1.4 with 3D pass-through, audio decoding of 3D signals, and ARC to boot. => Any thoughts?
1) The BDP-103 is brilliant! Highly recommended...
2) The Sony STR-DA2400ES Receiver does not support HDMI 3D pass-through; nor can it decode the audio part of a 3D signal.
3) The combination (Sony KDL-46HX850 TV, Oppo BDP-103 Blu-Ray, Sony STR-DA2400ES Receiver) does get its knickers in a twist concerning the HDMI CEC control commands. (I wrote to Oppo technical support with some suggestions to improve it, but we shall see if they are able to respond in kind...)
4) Another poster suggested using a Harmony Remote for setting scenes as an alternative to using the HDMI CEC control commands. In the meantime I have looked into these products, and am astounded how expensive they are. So I am now seriously thinking of selling the STR-DA2400ES, adding in the money that I would "save" by not buying a Harmony Remote, and buying a new Receiver having HDMI v1.4 with 3D pass-through, audio decoding of 3D signals, and ARC to boot. => Any thoughts?
bigboss
Moderator
bigboss said:
Hmmm. How long is a piece of string? But I am thinking in the range of GBP 500.Obviously I don't want to step down in sound quality compared to the DA2400ES, so I suppose would have to be prepared to pay more if it is absolutely essential...
Note: I have a KEF KHT-3005SE 5.1 speaker set, so I don't need 7.2 or 9.2 channels. And the KEF sub is active so that the amp does not need to deliver bass power. Furthermore, the Oppo blu-ray has all the video processing smarts (including 3D & 4k), so the amp needs no video capability at all (multi standard video switching and 3D & 4k pass-through are enough). And finally all my sources are digital (HDMI, opto, spdif), so the amp doesn't need much in analog phono inputs (perhaps one for a guest's Mp3 player).
bigboss
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AndrewFG said:
The STR-DA2400ES will decode the audio fine - I suspect you havent set the blu-ray up correctly.
HDMI 1 to TV, HDMI 2 to AV.
Then you have to turn off the video for the 2nd hdmi. On the Oppo I think its called Split A/V
(page 53 of the manual)
I have to do a similar thing with my Panny310/Sony5400 combo.
You have set the OPPO to send audio only through HDMI2 ?
So you are getting 3D on the tv and lossless sound through the amp - and are just moaning about HDMI-CEC ?
So you are getting 3D on the tv and lossless sound through the amp - and are just moaning about HDMI-CEC ?
AnotherJoe said:
I think you are being offensive. You did not read my post properly, and you you seem to be criticising me for something that I did not say. My post was merely giving feedback of my findings. Thank you.
AndrewFG said:
Not at all - I was just checking that you'd got the 3D picture and lossless sound working ok.
But as you clearly dont appreciate my help I'll just say the CEC will work with the right combination of settings - and leave it at that.
AnotherJoe said:
Obviously there was some mis-understanding here. Its not that I don't appreciate help; only that I did not need any help; and so I was not even asking for such help. My message was simply posted as feedback to other users who may (or may not) be interested in what the DA2400ES can (and cannot) do.
AnotherJoe said:
Yes, of course. (That is why I bought the Oppo with its two separate HDMI outputs). But thanks anyway for asking.
AnotherJoe said:
On this topic, (now that you mention it), I would actually be very interested to know what you have discovered ;-)
Its actually easier than I first thought...no limited CEC needed...
For this test, I have
- Samsung TV connected to Sony AMP via the hdmi out, and optical from tv to amp (TV optical)
- Panasonic Blu-ray(twin hdmi) connected to TV's HDMI 2 input, and the other HDMI into the BD input of the amp
- SkyBox connected to SAT input on amp
CEC is turned on all 3 devices.
- As you'd expect CEC gets mixed up when trying to control this lot from the BD - it turns tv on, swaps to HDMI2 on tv the but doesnt swap to BD input on the AMP, and doesnt release HDMI2 on the tv when you turn off the BD.
- However it does work using the remote for the TV and the AMP. It is easier to use the remote with the AMP (I'll get to that later).
For example using the TV remote - I turn on the TV, select tools CEC amp and the amp turns on, select CEC player and the BD turns on, and the amp switches to BD input, and I can control the BD+AMP with the tvs remote. When I turn off the BD the input sticks on HDMI2 but pressing channel up/down fixes this and it changes to TV, and the amp changes over to TV optical. Depending on the menu layout on your TV when it comes to controlling CEC devices its probably easier to use the AMPs remote.
- Better still is using the remote for the amp which I think is practically the same remote as on the 2400.
You may or may not have to program it with the correct code to control your TV and BD. (I had to for my TV, but not the BD). You may have to search the internet for an OPPO code, but if you cant find a BD code, a DVD code should work just as well..
With everything in standby I can press BD on the AMP's remote to bring the AMP on and with BD still selected I can control the blu-ray. Press play and the TV turns on, switches to HDMI2 and the bluray turns on and starts playing. Turn off the BD player using the smaller power button, press TV channel UP/DOWN and the TV switches back to TV input and the amp switches over to TV.
Press TV on the remote, press tv input to change input to AMP, Press SAT on amp and sky appears on the TV (sky doesnt support full cec).
Its not as good as using my Logitech Harmony - (but its fine for the main functions on each device).
Some TOSHIBA, PHILIPS, MAGNAVOX, MARANTZ or ZENITH codes are known to work for Oppos.
For this test, I have
- Samsung TV connected to Sony AMP via the hdmi out, and optical from tv to amp (TV optical)
- Panasonic Blu-ray(twin hdmi) connected to TV's HDMI 2 input, and the other HDMI into the BD input of the amp
- SkyBox connected to SAT input on amp
CEC is turned on all 3 devices.
- As you'd expect CEC gets mixed up when trying to control this lot from the BD - it turns tv on, swaps to HDMI2 on tv the but doesnt swap to BD input on the AMP, and doesnt release HDMI2 on the tv when you turn off the BD.
- However it does work using the remote for the TV and the AMP. It is easier to use the remote with the AMP (I'll get to that later).
For example using the TV remote - I turn on the TV, select tools CEC amp and the amp turns on, select CEC player and the BD turns on, and the amp switches to BD input, and I can control the BD+AMP with the tvs remote. When I turn off the BD the input sticks on HDMI2 but pressing channel up/down fixes this and it changes to TV, and the amp changes over to TV optical. Depending on the menu layout on your TV when it comes to controlling CEC devices its probably easier to use the AMPs remote.
- Better still is using the remote for the amp which I think is practically the same remote as on the 2400.
You may or may not have to program it with the correct code to control your TV and BD. (I had to for my TV, but not the BD). You may have to search the internet for an OPPO code, but if you cant find a BD code, a DVD code should work just as well..
With everything in standby I can press BD on the AMP's remote to bring the AMP on and with BD still selected I can control the blu-ray. Press play and the TV turns on, switches to HDMI2 and the bluray turns on and starts playing. Turn off the BD player using the smaller power button, press TV channel UP/DOWN and the TV switches back to TV input and the amp switches over to TV.
Press TV on the remote, press tv input to change input to AMP, Press SAT on amp and sky appears on the TV (sky doesnt support full cec).
Its not as good as using my Logitech Harmony - (but its fine for the main functions on each device).
Some TOSHIBA, PHILIPS, MAGNAVOX, MARANTZ or ZENITH codes are known to work for Oppos.
psurquhart
Well-known member
AnotherJoe said:
Hi AnotherJoe,
Can you help at all please ?
I too have a 5400es amp plus a Panasonic 500 Blu Ray player all linked to a Panasonic GT30 42" tv.
When I first linked all of these together the source switching was all fine however it now keeps switching to the tv input on my amp which is driving me nuts. Do you know what I am doing wrong ??? I want the amp to just switch to HDMI1 (which I have re-named Blu ray on the amp) when I switch on the Blu Ray player to watch a film..
I keep looking for what I have done wrong but cannot for the life of me fathom it out. I did try to get to the bottom of this before (See My settings for my Panasonic 500 post by Oldboy - http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/my-settings-for-the-panasonic-dmp-bdt500eb - page 2 half way down)
On Blu Ray player hdmi leads - main goes to tv, sub goes to amp. Video is set for off on 2nd hdmi / sub output.
Use hdmi1 for Blu Ray input on Sony amp.
Can you help at all ??????? If you need anymore info I would gratefully go through it.
Oh, and sorry to bump the thread - ps our 5400es isnt capable of 3d pass through either - just to keep my post relevant 'ish.
Ps Could it be anything to do with Veira Link ??? Viera Link Control is set to Player & Speaker Selection is set to Home Cinema. I can control ON/OFF & Volume of amp / tv fine. Just the switching to tv input on Sony amp is the issue.
Make sure that only "TV" is set in the HDMI settings menu on the amp - rather than "TV+AMP" .
If you use the AMP's remote as detailed in above post you shouldnt have any problems.
If you change CEC settings on another box - you may find the amp has the setting back to "TV+AMP"
If you use the AMP's remote as detailed in above post you shouldnt have any problems.
If you change CEC settings on another box - you may find the amp has the setting back to "TV+AMP"
AnotherJoe said:
In my (Sony) Tv's "Sync" menu (I think this is the equivalent of your Tv's "tools" menu) the Blu-Ray player appears, so I can turn it on. However unfortunately the DA2400ES does not appear, so it is not possible to activate the amp. (And yes, in case you ask, I have indeed turned on CEC on all three devices). => So what you suggest, only partly works...
AnotherJoe said:
No luck unfortunately!! The DA2400ES remote control is not programmable (so it is not "practically the same " as the one on your your DA5400ES). Therefore this cannot solve the problem for my case...
I am starting to feel that something is pulling on my wallet...
AndrewFG said:
The remote for the 2400 is the RM-AAP024.
That remote can be programmed to control TV/DVD/BD/SAT etc. Page 105-11 in the manual.
Hold rm setup (topleft) and the small power button together - the rm setup lights starts flashing.
Press the function you want to control - eg BD, and then enter the 3 digit code, followed by DMPORT(ent/mem)
The CEC seems to work best with the amps remote controlling the BD + TV.
You might be able to use the OPPO to control it all despite the audio not switching back to TV after you turn off the BD - if you use input assign on the amp.
For example if your BD is connected to the BD HDMI on the amp, connect the TV's optical out to the Video1 OPT and use input assign to select Video1 OPT as the audio for the BD input.
HDMI has priority over OPT, so when playing a BD sound will be via HDMI, and when you turn off the BD, sound will be via the OPT (tv) - so the amp doesnt have to switch input.
psurquhart
Well-known member
AnotherJoe said:
Hi & thanks for replying,
I think I must have been typing my post as you were finishing yours - I am a really slow old school one finger typer !!! I have read it now though.
Do you mean the audio out setting on our amp ? If so it is set to AMP already and not TV+AMP ? So still confused. I have the following settings on the HDMI menu part -
Control for HDMI = ON
Audio Out = AMP
Video Direct = ON
Am I just being stupid here ? More help would be appreciated.
I would rather not start programming the Sony's remote if at all possible (for fear of technofobia) but if it's the only way then I guess I will have to fathom it out.
Still a bit un-clear on this CEC thing too - doesnt seem to be in any menus on amp or Blu Ray player ?
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