Should I think?

[plastic penguin]

No my keyboard is passive

So it's s###e then? *dance4*

 

[stevebrock]

Cliff,

Give you a sponge & a rusty spanner for the ST40 ???

 

[Overdose]

No my keyboard is passive

So it's s###e then? *dance4*

 

[stevebrock]

No my keyboard is passive

So it's s###e then? *dance4*

knew you had a sense of humour PP

 

[stevebrock]

No my keyboard is passive

So it's s###e then? *dance4*

Your getting it now !!!

 

[Vladimir]

 

[CJSF]

No, not really. Again, you are over analysing.

You either enjoy what you have or you don't and you can either afford the cost or not.

It's really very simple. Keep or replace (upgrade again).

An efficent D-class amplified active system wil be far more energy efficient than anything that you have had to date, if that is your real concern.

My Electric bill raised a question in my mind, I put it to the forum, is 'there a solution worth consideration'? Nothing about not liking or cant aford it at present. Upgrading is only gong to be more of the same, valves!!!! I was wondering if there was a sideways move that I have always in the past avoided, me being positive, nothing to do with over analising!

I know nothing about D-class, but have not seen any thing positive, just contravercy, more effiient does not = a simmilar or better sound?

CJSF

 

[Overdose]

No, not really. Again, you are over analysing.

You either enjoy what you have or you don't and you can either afford the cost or not.

It's really very simple. Keep or replace (upgrade again).

An efficent D-class amplified active system wil be far more energy efficient than anything that you have had to date, if that is your real concern.

My Electric bill raised a question in my mind, I put it to the forum, is 'there a solution worth consideration'? Nothing about not liking or cant aford it at present. Upgrading is only gong to be more of the same, valves!!!! I was wondering if there was a sideways move that I have always in the past avoided, me being positive, nothing to do with over analising!

I know nothing about D-class, but have not seen any thing positive, just contravercy, more effiient does not = a simmilar or better sound?

CJSF

I see.

So you have a problem, you ask for a solution and then dismiss one out of hand when you get it, although by your own admission you know nothing about it?

That is ignorance pure and simple and further discussion is quite simply pointless.

You may have an open mind, but I fear you brains may have fallen out.

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

The question you should be doing to yourself is if the extra £350 are worth it? We spend money in so many things that don't give the pleasure that our toys do...

 

[Vladimir]

If I get to seniority I will leave my gear turned on all day and upgraded everything to absolute hedonistic madness.

Because...

 

[spiny norman]

If I get to seniority I will leave my gear turned on all day and upgraded everything to absolute hedonistic madness.

Because...

Because you like Coldplay? Figures... *wink*

 

[Vladimir]

I like John Barry. Is that weird? *scratch_one-s_head*

 

[CJSF]

Seems to me, the only ways this forum can resolve a question is to be negative, throw money at the issue or abuse the OP? . . . with the od sensability thrown in which is of course ignored?

I will get on with my way of thinking, I'll come up with an answer as I listen to the Beach Boys . . . at the moment we can afford it and we get great pleasure from our music.

Sorry to have troubled you with the question *dash1* . . . CJSF

 

[plastic penguin]

Think you need to ask yourself some serious questions, as I don't see this as a forum topic. This is only something you and your good lady wife can decide: The premium you're paying with extra bills, is the Icon worth that extra cost? If the answer is no then address the Croft amp and decide whether you can live with shortfall.

If you decide that the Icon isn't worth the extra in bills (and the Croft doesn't quite do it for you and Hazel) then the forum is better placed to help with an alternative.

Hope that helps.

 

[lindsayt]

Any thoughts on the above, I have muted something like this befor I thing, this is much more serious . .

To put it bluntly, it is your inability to be content with what you have that is the problem. It is getting in the way of actually enjoying the music.

You obsess over trivia and it is this that has most likely also cost you a lot of money through continuous 'upgrades'.

If you cannot afford what you have, get something that you can afford, it is quite simple.

A pair of DM5 active speakers (or similar) attached to some sort of passive (non powered) preamp would most likely be all you would ever need in terms of sound quality and be far more energy efficient to boot.

This post is a thread cr@p.

If Overdose had any sense of forum decorum he'd delete it.

 

[lindsayt]

CJSF, have you run a power meter on your hi-fi, inparticular the amplifier to check exactly how much it's costing you in electricity?

It's possible that there may have been some other change in your household electricity consumption habits that would account for some of the £350 increase in expenditure.

My class A SET valve amps consume 80 watts, which equates to about £1 per month with heavy usage, using this calculator: http://www.ukpower.co.uk/tools/running_costs_electricity

 

[CJSF]

Think you need to ask yourself some serious questions, as I don't see this as a forum topic. This is only something you and your good lady wife can decide: The premium you're paying with extra bills, is the Icon worth that extra cost? If the answer is no then address the Croft amp and decide whether you can live with shortfall.

If you decide that the Icon isn't worth the extra in bills (and the Croft doesn't quite do it for you and Hazel) then the forum is better placed to help with an alternative.

Hope that helps.

Not a forum topic? . . . OK, does it raises a question that can be discussed on a forum. Are we saying the only subjects that can be discussed are questions that have black or white answeres, throw money at the issue?

True, the issue of 'can we or do we want to afford the extra cash' is a personal one for Hazel and myself. The question was actualy, has any one got any views on a side ways move towards a solid state amp, ie, Croft as a hybryd or Exposure as a full SS. It left the end open for other sugestions, as well as hiliting the fact, valves cost money in energy term, where does that lead us? No one mentioned Creek amps for instance, there are whys and wherefores in any of these amps. Has any one ever considered the question of running cost? I certainly had not untill I received my new style electric bill.

I'm sorry PP if my question was not spacific enough, but surly there was room for interesting debate on the subject(s) raided, IMHO, obviously not in other peoples minds?

Again, sorry I wasted the forums time.

I'm getting very fed up with 'hifi attitudes' of late, throw money at an issue and it will go away, it wont, it simply moves on untill the next time, then the question raises its ugly head again, and again and . . . ! If you see what I mean, to be spacific, cables, speakers, stylus/cartridge, to name a few as they say*smile* . . . ?

CJSF

 

[plastic penguin]

Think you need to ask yourself some serious questions, as I don't see this as a forum topic. This is only something you and your good lady wife can decide: The premium you're paying with extra bills, is the Icon worth that extra cost? If the answer is no then address the Croft amp and decide whether you can live with shortfall.

If you decide that the Icon isn't worth the extra in bills (and the Croft doesn't quite do it for you and Hazel) then the forum is better placed to help with an alternative.

Hope that helps.

Not a forum topic? . . . OK, does it raises a question that can be discussed on a forum. Are we saying the only subjects that can be discussed are questions that have black or white answeres, throw money at the issue?

True, the issue of 'can we or do we want to afford the extra cash' is a personal one for Hazel and myself. The question was actualy, has any one got any views on a side ways move towards a solid state amp, ie, Croft as a hybryd or Exposure as a full SS. It left the end open for other sugestions, as well as hiliting the fact, valves cost money in energy term, where does that lead us? No one mentioned Creek amps for instance, there are whys and wherefores in any of these amps. Has any one ever considered the question of running cost? I certainly had not untill I received my new style electric bill.

I'm sorry PP if my question was not spacific enough, but surly there was room for interesting debate on the subject(s) raided, IMHO, obviously not in other peoples minds?

Again, sorry I wasted the forums time.

I'm getting very fed up with 'hifi attitudes' of late, throw money at an issue and it will go away, it wont, it simply moves on untill the next time, then the question raises its ugly head again, and again and . . . ! If you see what I mean, to be spacific, cables, speakers, stylus/cartridge, to name a few as they say*smile* . . . ?

CJSF

No, not saying you're wasting anyone's time, but the point I'm trying to make is you have to be pragmatic, almost ruthless. Sometimes you have to step back and way up which is more important. The amp or the bills. But only you and Hazel can decide that, hence why I mentioned it's not really suitable for a forum.

Before concerning yourself about SS amp, fire the Croft up as this'll bring you back to where you were a few months ago. As wrote in the previous post, if the Croft doesn't come up to scratch then the forum (and even myself) can suggest viable alternatives.

I've tried to give you constructive advice, deliberately avoiding any levity. Some posts have been helpful while others have fallen wide of the mark, so I hope you take my posts as they were intended.

 

[chebby]

The Icon will also cost more (in the long run) in terms of replacing those upgraded valves that you invested in.

I assume the Croft - being a hybrid - will cost less in this regard.

You mentioned an Exposure amp in your first post. I am not sure you'd ever be happy with it because it has no 'tweakability' or user upgradeable components. (Not without a soldering iron, electronics training and a willingness to completely void a warranty!)

The Exposure amp (or anything similar) would be too 'plug-n-play' for you.

 

[Overdose]

Any thoughts on the above, I have muted something like this befor I thing, this is much more serious . .

To put it bluntly, it is your inability to be content with what you have that is the problem. It is getting in the way of actually enjoying the music.

You obsess over trivia and it is this that has most likely also cost you a lot of money through continuous 'upgrades'.

If you cannot afford what you have, get something that you can afford, it is quite simple.

A pair of DM5 active speakers (or similar) attached to some sort of passive (non powered) preamp would most likely be all you would ever need in terms of sound quality and be far more energy efficient to boot.

This post is a thread cr@p.

If Overdose had any sense of forum decorum he'd delete it.

Grow up.

The post was pointed and pragmatic, nothing more and nothing less.

As PP has already said, the OP needs to step back and review his situation, but even if a resolution is found, I strongly suspect that he will find himself in some other inner turmoil over his system and its inadequacies. And he must feel that it is inadequate, because he keeps trying to change, tweak and upgrade things, even rearrange the furniture. I certainly don't get the feeling that the OP is ever going to be contented though.

 

[lindsayt]

Grow up says the man whose first contribution to this thread was to make a thread cr@pping advert that was also quite insulting towards the original poster, and whose most recent post includes a trolling insult directed at me.

 

[chebby]

A pair of DM5 active speakers (or similar) attached to some sort of passive (non powered) preamp would most likely be all you would ever need in terms of sound quality and be far more energy efficient to boot.

Someone (not you CJ) should buy a set of AVI DM5s then connect them to a valve pre-amp and a turntable!

 

[Overdose]

Grow up says the man whose first contribution to this thread was to make a thread cr@pping advert that was also quite insulting towards the original poster, and whose most recent post includes a trolling insult directed at me.

If you feel slighted by such lanuage, I truly feel sorry for you.

 

[Overdose]

A pair of DM5 active speakers (or similar) attached to some sort of passive (non powered) preamp would most likely be all you would ever need in terms of sound quality and be far more energy efficient to boot.

Someone (not you CJ) should buy a set of AVI DM5s then connect them to a valve pre-amp and a turntable!

I believe some already do.

 

[chebby]

A pair of DM5 active speakers (or similar) attached to some sort of passive (non powered) preamp would most likely be all you would ever need in terms of sound quality and be far more energy efficient to boot.

Someone (not you CJ) should buy a set of AVI DM5s then connect them to a valve pre-amp and a turntable!

I believe some already do.

And no-one's head exploded over at AVI?