Samsung ue65hu7500 should I buy or not ?

[hybridauth_Facebook_100000090351445]

A couple of points.... Have you ever seen the Sony 4k remastered 1080p releases like the Amazing Spiderman......you telling Sony got it wrong making these disk for upscaling? They look great.We don't have 4k bluray yet so of course when it comes out it will 'look' better than the 1080p upscaled material...but to even suggest the 1080p version is better than an upscaled version....sorry.....the Sony's X reality pro chip and the new X1 chip is a scilliating master in upscaling......but granted other TVs maybe garbage in 1080p upscaling.

You are plasma owner,now I do think highly of plasmas in....what the tech can do....but they are busted now so I rather not talk about it as if they are still 'alive'. I rather focus on LEDs and OLEDs.I see no purpose in discussing anything on TVs with reference to late plasmas.RIP

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100000090351445]

I appreciate the time you put in responding,

I don't disagree with your quoted evidence but I am more interested in the 'herd' mentality with consumers out there and their attitude on 4K which is contrary to the expert recommendations....read this:

http://4k.com/news/4k-tv-market-to-reach-52-billion-in-revenues-by-2020-6655/

People are buying irrespective of the Cons.......4k TV sales doesn't get better than this....despite 'the confusion'....something that plasmas never achieved during its lifetime.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

i decided to go ahead and buy the TV , I have to say it is a massive improvement and I feel as though I 100% got a lot for my money ! Amazing picture !!!

Hello again Nick, I was going to tell you about this anyway, to help you make up your mind, and now it reinforces your decision to buy. If you buy the current (July 2015, number 248) of Home Cinema Choice magazine, on page 76 the Editor, Mark Craven, reports on having had a Samsung UE65HU8200 television at home for the past seven months. This is curved rather than flat like yours, but is the same generation as yours, and very much the same standard of machine. Mr Craven writes "I can safely say that having a 4K panel, even at a time when 4K source material is astonishingly rare, is consistently rewarding. This is because Samsung's upscaling engine is supremely efficient. Full HD Blu-rays remapped to the 3840 X 2160 resolution are capable of jaw-dropping clarity, especially when there's not much motion in the frame to overwhelm the Quad Core-powered processing. Watching quality HD platters such as Edge of Tomorrow and Lucy has proved stunning, with refined pixel detail, and broadcast hd looks naturally sharp too." In fact, I would urge you to buy the magazine, because elsewhere Mr Craven mentions the screen settings that he has made to get the best picture, and some of those settings may be valid for your UE65HU7500 television also. I'm glad that you've bought it, and even more glad that you are so happy with it! You could consider getting it professionally calibrated, it is well run in now. Calibration will cost about £200 to £250.

upscaled hd is brilliant and I don't regret upgrading , I only wish I had managed to find a 55" model , was a massive jump from 50 to 65 but for the money I can't really complain

Here, my friend, I flatly and massively disagree with you. I'm glad that you couldn't find a 55-inch model. Going from your existing lovely 50-inch Pioneer LX5090 to a 55-inch machine, albeit a 4K one, would have been a waste of money. The increase in size would not have been noticeable, you needed to go to at least 60 inches. I can say this with certainty because, in 2009, I went from a 42-inch Pioneer plasma to a 50-inch Pioneer plasma (the same model as your old one!) and NOBODY, out of about eight people over a few weeks, noticed the size increase, eight inches just wasn't enough! So it's good that you have bought a 65-inch set, after your 50-inch Pioneer. By the way, what will happen to your Pioneer LX5090? Maybe I can persuade you not to sell it, it's still a wonderful machine, but to demote it to the kitchen or to a bedroom, which is what I did with mine three years ago!

 

[bigboss]

I appreciate the time you put in responding,

I don't disagree with your quoted evidence but I am more interested in the 'herd' mentality with consumers out there and their attitude on 4K which is contrary to the expert recommendations....read this:

http://4k.com/news/4k-tv-market-to-reach-52-billion-in-revenues-by-2020-...

People are buying irrespective of the Cons.......4k TV sales doesn't get better than this....despite 'the confusion'....something that plasmas never achieved during its lifetime.

?

 

That's why it's important to highlight the pitfalls. People are buying 4K TVs because they're being told 4K is better than full HD. What they're not told is that it's true for 4K source only. There's a lot of false marketing out there. We have had a few threads here where people have bought a 4K TV and complained that their satellite channels look worse when they expected it to be better. The strong sales are due to marketing and you would agree that only a tiny percentage of them actually have a 4K source to watch, or planning to have a 4K source in the future.

The sales are good for 4K industry though, and for us as 4K will become commonplace faster than expected. But those at the top need to get their acts together pretty fast and establish set standards which the whole industry can follow.

 

[Series1boy]

A couple of points.... Have you ever seen the Sony 4k remastered 1080p releases like the Amazing Spiderman......you telling Sony got it wrong making these disk for upscaling? They look great.We don't have 4k bluray yet so of course when it comes out it will 'look' better than the 1080p upscaled material...but to even suggest the 1080p version is better than an upscaled version....sorry.....the Sony's X reality pro chip and the new X1 chip is a scilliating master in upscaling......but granted other TVs maybe garbage in 1080p upscaling.

You are plasma owner,now I do think highly of plasmas in....what the tech can do....but they are busted now so I rather not talk about it as if they are still 'alive'. I rather focus on LEDs and OLEDs.I see no purpose in discussing anything on TVs with reference to late plasmas.RIP

i and many others on this forum still like to talk about plasma. It is not up to you to tell people what to discuss, so live with it or don't comment. It's as simple as that.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100000090351445]

A couple of points.... Have you ever seen the Sony 4k remastered 1080p releases like the Amazing Spiderman......you telling Sony got it wrong making these disk for upscaling? They look great.We don't have 4k bluray yet so of course when it comes out it will 'look' better than the 1080p upscaled material...but to even suggest the 1080p version is better than an upscaled version....sorry.....the Sony's X reality pro chip and the new X1 chip is a scilliating master in upscaling......but granted other TVs maybe garbage in 1080p upscaling.

You are plasma owner,now I do think highly of plasmas in....what the tech can do....but they are busted now so I rather not talk about it as if they are still 'alive'. I rather focus on LEDs and OLEDs.I see no purpose in discussing anything on TVs with reference to late plasmas.RIP

i and many others on this forum still like to talk about plasma. It is not up to you to tell people what to discuss, so live with it or don't comment. It's as simple as that.

you are free to talk about what you wish, that is not really the point is it.....it is just that you are STILL brandishing the plasma pdp as...some scared reference standard slide rule to judge TVs....it is a past master....I give you that like the Golf GTI.....now we are moving on....beyond....and what would happen if your plasma goes faulty? I am not been unkind but just been a pragmatise.

Get an OLED 4K and be happy.....with HDR!

It is the 'spiritual' successor to PDP. That is a TV with bragging credentials and you can be bullish about that instead.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100000090351445]

I appreciate the time you put in responding,

I don't disagree with your quoted evidence but I am more interested in the 'herd' mentality with consumers out there and their attitude on 4K which is contrary to the expert recommendations....read this:

http://4k.com/news/4k-tv-market-to-reach-52-billion-in-revenues-by-2020-...

People are buying irrespective of the Cons.......4k TV sales doesn't get better than this....despite 'the confusion'....something that plasmas never achieved during its lifetime.

That's why it's important to highlight the pitfalls. People are buying 4K TVs because they're being told 4K is better than full HD. What they're not told is that it's true for 4K source only. There's a lot of false marketing out there. We have had a few threads here where people have bought a 4K TV and complained that their satellite channels look worse when they expected it to be better. The strong sales are due to marketing and you would agree that only a tiny percentage of them actually have a 4K source to watch, or planning to have a 4K source in the future.

The sales are good for 4K industry though, and for us as 4K will become commonplace faster than expected. But those at the top need to get their acts together pretty fast and establish set standards which the whole industry can follow.

I rather you don't politicise the '4k pitfalls' as you have done, and make a speech in the Commons. I don't think any one have said '4k TV is better than 2k TV' I am sure the ASA in the UK would not allow such wording. Relax! All it has been said is with 4k you have 8 times the resolution compare with 2k/1080p.

The public aren't stupid, who are daily subjected to other most questionable marketing and not brainwashed like a cult to just buying 4k TV without thinking. Please give them some credit? There are open viewing shoot out test of TVs and if journalists trust their judgement then so should you...join the party

There is no moral panic of a 4K TV wholesale progaganda....no more than a kitkat advert is going to make people fat and obese

 

[bigboss]

I appreciate the time you put in responding,

I don't disagree with your quoted evidence but I am more interested in the 'herd' mentality with consumers out there and their attitude on 4K which is contrary to the expert recommendations....read this:

http://4k.com/news/4k-tv-market-to-reach-52-billion-in-revenues-by-2020-...

People are buying irrespective of the Cons.......4k TV sales doesn't get better than this....despite 'the confusion'....something that plasmas never achieved during its lifetime.

That's why it's important to highlight the pitfalls. People are buying 4K TVs because they're being told 4K is better than full HD. What they're not told is that it's true for 4K source only. There's a lot of false marketing out there. We have had a few threads here where people have bought a 4K TV and complained that their satellite channels look worse when they expected it to be better. The strong sales are due to marketing and you would agree that only a tiny percentage of them actually have a 4K source to watch, or planning to have a 4K source in the future.

The sales are good for 4K industry though, and for us as 4K will become commonplace faster than expected. But those at the top need to get their acts together pretty fast and establish set standards which the whole industry can follow.

I rather you don't politicise the '4k pitfalls' as you have done, and make a speech in the Commons.  I don't think any one have said '4k TV is better than 2k TV' I am sure the ASA in the UK would not allow such wording. Relax! All it has been said is with 4k you have 8 times the resolution compare with 2k/1080p.

The public aren't stupid, who are daily subjected to other most questionable marketing and not brainwashed like a cult to just buying 4k TV without thinking. Please give them some credit? There are open viewing shoot out test of TVs and if journalists trust their judgement then so should you...join the party

There is no moral panic of a 4K TV wholesale progaganda....no more than a kitkat advert is going to make people fat and obese?

 

You obviously have no clue about the reality.

Currys was guilty of it:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/tvs-and-projectors/asa-bans-currys-4k-tv-advert

Here's a snippet of the news report:

"Electrical giant Currys-PC World has been censured by the advertising watchdog for selling ultra-high definition televisions with bogus promises about extra clarity.

The retailer claimed the smart LG sets with 4K resolution, starting at £849, would allow customers to 'watch your favourite Christmas movies in greater detail'.

But the Advertising Standards Authority has ruled that this was exaggerated and misleading because no British TV channel is yet broadcasting in 4K resolution."

Few months ago, I was just looking at some TVs in Currys when a salesperson came to me asking if I needed help. I asked what he thought of 4K TVs and if they're worth it. He replied, "Obviously they're well worth it. They have a better resolution than full HD TVs so pictures will be sharper." I then asked if even everyday programmes on Sky and Freeview and DVDs will also look better. He said yes!

No point in going blindly gung-ho about 4K. With a few warnings, the consumer will pause and think, and do more research before committing to a purchase.

How many consumers actually know about HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0? Very few.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100000090351445]

Currys made an erroneous promise of 4k material for Christmas.
The sales staff gave an opinion that he felt 1080p material would be better viewed in 4k without qualifying that point.I accept that it happened.
But they are isolated incidents and say more about poorly trained staff....
I am sure the company reps that advise the stores on the 4k TVs would not have given the above advice.
What do you expect from Currys?
Rest assured...
The public have access to a wealth of information to make their choice let us not spoilt it.
We have had miselling on PPI and other financial product things.But I don't think we have misselling of 4k TV yet that warrant your concern.

....You would tell someone to avoid the heart stopping EG960/970 Oled TV now? Come on.We waited decades for this.
The time is now#....

 

[bigboss]

As I said, I'm not stopping anyone from buying whatever they want. It's their money. But they need to be aware of everything, including things which sales reps won't tell. Even though there's a wealth of information, there are people who don't bother to research. A lot of my friends aren't bothered at all. They don't own a blu ray player, they have no idea about HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0. They have no information about 4K. They constitute majority of the population. Few that do research are the ones on this forum or others.

 

[Native_bon]

As I said, I'm not stopping anyone from buying whatever they want. It's their money. But they need to be aware of everything, including things which sales reps won't tell. Even though there's a wealth of information, there are people who don't bother to research. A lot of my friends aren't bothered at all. They don't own a blu ray player, they have no idea about HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0. They have no information about 4K. They constitute majority of the population. Few that do research are the ones on this forum or others.

This is the problem, people believe in what is popular but not facts. Marketing is playing a big part in promoting wrong info... about 4k tv sets. Of course many will buy regardless even if they know the facts.

 

[Series1boy]

A couple of points.... Have you ever seen the Sony 4k remastered 1080p releases like the Amazing Spiderman......you telling Sony got it wrong making these disk for upscaling? They look great.We don't have 4k bluray yet so of course when it comes out it will 'look' better than the 1080p upscaled material...but to even suggest the 1080p version is better than an upscaled version....sorry.....the Sony's X reality pro chip and the new X1 chip is a scilliating master in upscaling......but granted other TVs maybe garbage in 1080p upscaling.

You are plasma owner,now I do think highly of plasmas in....what the tech can do....but they are busted now so I rather not talk about it as if they are still 'alive'. I rather focus on LEDs and OLEDs.I see no purpose in discussing anything on TVs with reference to late plasmas.RIP

i and many others on this forum still like to talk about plasma. It is not up to you to tell people what to discuss, so live with it or don't comment. It's as simple as that.

you are free to talk about what you wish, that is not really the point is it.....it is just that you are STILL brandishing the plasma pdp as...some scared reference standard slide rule to judge TVs....it is a past master....I give you that like the Golf GTI.....now we are moving on....beyond....and what would happen if your plasma goes faulty? I am not been unkind but just been a pragmatise.

Get an OLED 4K and be happy.....with HDR!

It is the 'spiritual' successor to PDP. That is a TV with bragging credentials and you can be bullish about that instead.

I am not saying new tech is poor, I'm saying I am currently happy with my 1080p pdp. Pull your head out!

so what am I going to watch on my loveley new 4k TV, errrrrm nothing that's it....

I have a five year warranty with 3 year balance, so I'm covered mate. If my plasma breaks after then, I will by a new OLED 4k but only at 65" so hopefully there should be plenty of true 4k content, not mastered in 4k or upscaled.

i don't have a problem about new technology; infact I have just upgraded my surround sound to Dolby atmos and probably DTS x when content comes out and will require me to upgrade my receiver but only if disks are produced with the new format.

if lots of 4k content comes out soon, then I will probably upgrade my plasma to an OLED 4k but never to an LCD.

so therefore my friend, I am not living in the past. I have only had my plasma for 18 months so it isn't worth upgrading because there isn't enough content in 4k to warrant an upgrade is there??

your analogy of a golf gti is flawed because they still make them don't they. To use the analogy correctly; you shuold have said its like having a golf gti and sticking to 1080p because if you wanted a bigger car then a Passat would be more beneficial as the same as 4k requires a 65" screen.... So what's the point of having 4k if you can only fit a 50" TV in your room eh...!

4k at the moment is just a new marketing plan to buy new TVs. For next year then this may be a different story and only if true 4k content comes out.

1080p all the way at the moment and if it's on a flag ship plasma, then even better for me at this point in time....

 

[Series1boy]

As I said, I'm not stopping anyone from buying whatever they want. It's their money. But they need to be aware of everything, including things which sales reps won't tell. Even though there's a wealth of information, there are people who don't bother to research. A lot of my friends aren't bothered at all. They don't own a blu ray player, they have no idea about HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0. They have no information about 4K. They constitute majority of the population. Few that do research are the ones on this forum or others.

This is the problem, people believe in what is popular but not facts. Marketing is playing a big part in promoting wrong info... about 4k tv sets. Of course many will buy regardless even if they know the facts.

exactly my thoughts as well.

 

[Paul.]

Sure the GTi still exists, much like plasma still exists. Why buy one though when you can have a GTd or an Rrrrrrrrr. The GTd is a better tourer and the R is way faster. I agree it's probably not the best analogy though.

 

[Series1boy]

Sure the GTi still exists, much like plasma still exists. Why buy one though when you can have a GTd or an Rrrrrrrrr. The GTd is a better tourer and the R is way faster. I agree it's probably not the best analogy though.

they still make the GTI and it improves with every new model. but plasma is no longer in production, that was my point. I agree Paul the GTD is far superior...

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100000090351445]

Golf gti class evolved to the muscle Golf R along with the A45 Amg and Audi rs3 super hatches.
Back to TVs OK.
PDP cannot evolve! End of existence like the dino rex.Dead.

Oled the finest of the TV tech to have evolved but LCD also evolving.
TV Evolution is not confusion.....but life is blooming confusion....

That is my point....

 

[bigboss]

PDP cannot evolve! End of existence like the dino rex.Dead.

Who said PDP is evolving??

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Plasma is still in the top five TVs of all time, so it is still current. My top five are:

1. OLED and 4K TV

2. OLED

3. Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas

4. Samsung plasma

5. LED and 4K.

 

[Series1boy]

PDP cannot evolve! End of existence like the dino rex.Dead.

Who said PDP is evolving??

 

[Series1boy]

Plasma is still in the top five TVs of all time, so it is still current. My top five are:

1. OLED and 4K TV

2. OLED

3. Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas

4. Samsung plasma

5. LED and 4K.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100000090351445]

Oled yields are improving....once it hits 95% meaning they throw away 5 out of 100....mass market pricing! Currently the yields are reported at 65%.Not bad.
LG said it took ten years for LCDs to reach 95% yield.
Comparatively Oled is progressing well given the time scale.

About the 'last ranking' given to the 4k LED TV.A guy at Avforum, Bebbsie23, in the Js9500 owners thread forum page reported why he ditched his Kuro......A diehard PDP owner with well articulated arguments....crossed over to the LED bench. A first.Many are seeing the light?

 

[bigboss]

Many are seeing the light?

Nope. Personal choice.

 

[Series1boy]

Oled yields are improving....once it hits 95% meaning they throw away 5 out of 100....mass market pricing! Currently the yields are reported at 65%.Not bad. LG said it took ten years for LCDs to reach 95% yield. Comparatively Oled is progressing well given the time scale.

About the 'last ranking' given to the 4k LED TV.A guy at Avforum, Bebbsie23, in the Js9500 owners thread forum page reported why he ditched his Kuro......A diehard PDP owner with well articulated arguments....crossed over to the LED bench. A first.Many are seeing the light?

so what TV do you have, OLED?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Oled yields are improving....once it hits 95% meaning they throw away 5 out of 100....mass market pricing! Currently the yields are reported at 65%.Not bad. LG said it took ten years for LCDs to reach 95% yield. Comparatively Oled is progressing well given the time scale.

About the 'last ranking' given to the 4k LED TV.A guy at Avforum, Bebbsie23, in the Js9500 owners thread forum page reported why he ditched his Kuro......A diehard PDP owner with well articulated arguments....crossed over to the LED bench. A first.Many are seeing the light?

so what TV do you have, OLED?

My guess is LED. *smile*

 

[Series1boy]

Oled yields are improving....once it hits 95% meaning they throw away 5 out of 100....mass market pricing! Currently the yields are reported at 65%.Not bad. LG said it took ten years for LCDs to reach 95% yield. Comparatively Oled is progressing well given the time scale.

About the 'last ranking' given to the 4k LED TV.A guy at Avforum, Bebbsie23, in the Js9500 owners thread forum page reported why he ditched his Kuro......A diehard PDP owner with well articulated arguments....crossed over to the LED bench. A first.Many are seeing the light?

so what TV do you have, OLED?

My guess is LED. *smile*

or a closet plasma owner...