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i'm all set to buy pana TX-P37X10B 37inch plasma tomorrow as i think it has les motion probs compared to lcd.

with it being entry level is there any better for say a few hundred more?

or lcd with no motion blur/judder on sd tv?

big decision help please! thx

 

[Anonymous]

if you can stretch to £769 you can get a panasonic 42g10 , full hd , freesat , no motion issues , thats a top tv for entry level money , thats richer sounds price , im not sure if it can be got cheaper elswhere ....

 

[Anonymous]

thx max, i'd rather strech to say 800 than regret buying one when theres a better one for few hundred more.

issue with the one you posted is its 42 inch and prob too big for my room as i only sit about 8ft away from tv. will look into it though thx

 

[Anonymous]

i have a 42" v10 plasma and sit about 9ft away and thatïs fine, but only you can judge whether or not you would be happy with the picture at that distance. In my opinion DVD looks very good at that distance, blu ray looks great and sd tv is fine.

 

[seasiders rock]

You cant go wrong, we have the 42" and for the money superb, blows lcd out the water.

Better colours, blacks, no motion problems and the built in free view is excellent.

Sitting here watching planet earth blu ray on a panny dmp-bd60 and simple awesome.

For the money you cant buy better, one last thing the 42" is not a lot bigger, and yes size does make a difference.

 

[Anonymous]

seasiders rock:

You cant go wrong, we have the 42" and for the money superb, blows lcd out the water.

Better colours, blacks, no motion problems and the built in free view is excellent.

Sitting here watching planet earth blu ray on a panny dmp-bd60 and simple awesome.

For the money you cant buy better, one last thing the 42" is not a lot bigger, and yes size does make a difference.

thx 4 reply,

so i cant go wrong with the 37x10b or you think i should go with 42?

sorry bit vague!

 

[Anonymous]

from 8ft the 42 inch would be fine , but its not just about size , you would be getting a top plasma , one that can hold its own against tvs twice the price , full hd , as i said before , freesat , very high contrast ratio , deeper blacks , your talking about a higher spec tv for a little more dough , imho you would be silly not to spend it ...

 

[D.J.KRIME]

Many regular readers on tis forum may well have noticed I prefer Plasma over LCD for many reasons and if it were my money I personally would go the Plasma route.

The physical size differance between a 37" and a 42" is not as much as you may think so one advantage if you decide to go with a 42" set is there is then a vast array of models to choose from most with the advantage of a Full HD resolution should you chose to hook up a BD player where the exrta picture detail will be evident over a HD Ready one.

You may find from 8ft you think a 42" is too big (personally I have a 50" from about 10ft) but I would opt for the 42" option but if you did decide to go with the 37PX10 you won't regret it, just don't get the cheaper C10.

 

[Anonymous]

thx again! verry usefull info

cheers!

 

[strapped for cash]

Hi Kevb

Having recently had exactly the same dilemma as youself, I ended up with a Pana G10 42" for the price mentioned by maxflinn (£779 from richer sounds, £845 with a five year warranty). The 37" X is not a bad TV, but, having tested and tweaked both sets, the picture is dim on the X compared with the G model in my opinion. The 37" X gets a four star WHF review, while the 42" G model gets a five star review with a list price in the magazine of £1200. If you can stretch your budget that bit further then I would urge you to get the G10. After literally months of researching which TV to buy, and going through various phases where I thought I'd decided upon a particular model (I was also sold on the 37X for a while) I eventually concluded that the deal on the G10 was simply too good to miss. I have to say, having had the TV for approaching a couple of weeks now, I think this is outstanding value for money -- full 1080p/freesat/freeview, with fantastic blacks and natural colours that a significant step up from the 37" X. I really don't think the slight increase in screen size will cause you any problems from 8 feet away (that's about the distance I'm watching mine from).

Hopefully you'll read this post before taking the plunge and will audition both sets before you part with your hard earned cash. Ultimately it's your decision, but I think the extra £200 is money well spent, rather than looking back in a few months time and thinking I could have got a much better TV for a little more dough. Then, of course, there's the Philips 42PFL7404 to consider, which I think is reviewed in the next issue of WHF (out next week)... Sorry if this confuses you further. Happy hunting!

 

[Anonymous]

seen the pic on philips its amazing but as i'm only going to watch sd mainly i thought the plasma would be better for motion issues!

thx 4 the up though will defo look into the g10 b4 buying, would be nice to have full hd for blueray though just thought the more pixels the worse sd tv is going to look but apparently it depends on tv!

how do you find sd content on your g10?

thx again.

 

[Anonymous]

right! just been to check out both the pana plasma 42 g10 and was v dissapointed tbh when showing white screen it was very grey as were all the plasmas compared to the lcds which were brilliant white! also when screen was black the plasmas were no were near black even with twiddling the contrast and brightness it was similar to crt black with brightness right up? also the pics were nowere near the quality of the lcds?

why do people say that plasmas have better blacks? the sammy lcds were out of this world jet black and crystal clear vibrant pics.

the sammy le37b651t and sammy le40b620r were stunning to look at design wise and the pic was amazing. the pana g10 lcd also looked far better pic than the plasmas.

back to square 1 :-(

 

[professorhat]

kevb123:why do people say that plasmas have better blacks?

Because they generally do - can't comment on your demo here and why you got the results you did, but when you think about how the technologies work, it's very logical that plasmas have better black levels than LCDs. Certainly the demos I did a few years back this was the case, and most people are still in agreement the Pioneer Kuro's have the deepest black levels seen so far on a flat screen.

 

[strapped for cash]

I have to say, that's not been my experience with the G10. Maybe it's the bright lighting in the shop that gives that impression? Backlit LCDs will usually look brighter on the shop floor, and sharper, too. But when you get the TV home, the first thing you should do is change from the ultra-bright, cranked-up, 'dynamic' contrast setting used for demonstration purposes (and tone down the sharpness of the picture, as well) and I think you'll have a different experience. However, as I obviously appreciate, it's your money, so don't spend it on a TV that didn't float your boat. It's generally a question of preference when it comes to the whole plasma/lcd debate -- and if LCD appeals, then go with that.

 

[Anonymous]

do you not think the whites on plasma are grey?

i fiddled with the contrast and brightness in shop and blacks looked nowhere near black? was gutted as had lots of good reviews about g10 and was about to buy.

 

[Anonymous]

kevb it sounds like you want an led lcd , samsung 7020 , b8000 , phillips make em too but at cartoon prices , with an led set you will have the bright whites and punchy , vibrant look of lcds along with the deep blacks of plasma , but as a few have said here already , viewing tvs instore is misleading , you are drawn to the brighter screens , which are lcds , the plasmas look their best when in a dimmer envoirement with the contrast toned down , but again its a matter of taste what one prefers , if you could see my plasma now , darkened room with hellboy playing on bluray , lovely detailed sharp picture , you would be impressed , but put it in a shop and it would get overlooked in the bright conditions , anyway id check out those led sets , they may be the right compromise ...

 

[strapped for cash]

I've not had that problem. I thought the picture on the 37" X model was quite dull, but not on the G10. It's a funny one. What I've found with my G10 is that, if you turn the 'eco mode' on, the screen can look quite a bit brighter. The eco mode adjusts the contrast on the TV according to the level of ambient light in your room. Not only does this ensure that you get a contrast artion suited to your viewing conditions, but it also, allegedly, cuts down on the power consumption of your set.

For what it's worth, the best thing about the G10 is that it doesn't seem to hve any obvious flaws in terms of the picture. It may not match the sharpness of the Philips, which I also auditioned, but when I fed the Philips a fast moving and complex action sequence I could notice a fair bit of picture noise, which would have eventully driven me crazy. The G10 handles motion superlatively for a TV costing that little, with no discernable trace of picture noise. Also the colour palette is natural and blacks are deep rather than grey. If I'm being hyper-critical, there's a mild red push to the picture, which strangely seems to improve if you set the temperature to 'warm' (you would expect the opposite to be true). This is not particularly obvious, however, but I'm very picky. By all accounts the performce via freeview or freesat is very good, but I can't verify this because I'm waiting to move into a new flat later this week and I can't connect to an external aerial till then.

Like I say, it's largely a matter of preference, but I suspect that the G10 would slowly, but comprehensively win you over once you get it home. If you're looking for a 'wow' element, the range of colour the TV displays is phenomenal.

 

[Anonymous]

strapped for cash:
I've not had that problem. I thought the picture on the 37" X model was quite dull, but not on the G10. It's a funny one. What I've found with my G10 is that, if you turn the 'eco mode' on, the screen can look quite a bit brighter. The eco mode adjusts the contrast on the TV according to the level of ambient light in your room. Not only does this ensure that you get a contrast artion suited to your viewing conditions, but it also, allegedly, cuts down on the power consumption of your set.

For what it's worth, the best thing about the G10 is that it doesn't seem to hve any obvious flaws in terms of the picture. It may not match the sharpness of the Philips, which I also auditioned, but when I fed the Philips a fast moving and complex action sequence I could notice a fair bit of picture noise, which would have eventully driven me crazy. The G10 handles motion superlatively for a TV costing that little, with no discernable trace of picture noise. Also the colour palette is natural and blacks are deep rather than grey. If I'm being hyper-critical, there's a mild red push to the picture, which strangely seems to improve if you set the temperature to 'warm' (you would expect the opposite to be true). This is not particularly obvious, however, but I'm very picky. By all accounts the performce via freeview or freesat is very good, but I can't verify this because I'm waiting to move into a new flat later this week and I can't connect to an external aerial till then.

Like I say, it's largely a matter of preference, but I suspect that the G10 would slowly, but comprehensively win you over once you get it home. If you're looking for a 'wow' element, the range of colour the TV displays is phenomenal.

some tv for the money strapped , the bargain of the year ....

 

[strapped for cash]

Perhaps, but you seem to be the only one on the forum who agrees with me, while everbody else is busy cooing over the Philips 9664 that still costs twice as much. I'm certain the Philips is a better TV, but I couldn't afford it, so I'll very happily settle for what I ended up with!

 

[professorhat]

Have seen the G10 in the flesh and I was also very impressed with the picture - as was the fella I was helping out I'm guessing since he bought one!

 

[Anonymous]

thanks v much for your info guys! i really appreciate it.

i've seen the new philips and it is amazing but well out of my budget lol.

i heard a lot of reviews saying plasma look a lot better in the home rather than show room and don't doubt it from what ive read!

think i will have to have a second viewing in a different shop.

just wish they'd let you try b4 you buy ha!

thx all.

 

[Andrew Everard]

So d day as in 'didn't buy anything' day, then?

 

[Anonymous]

d day as in dissapointin day lol

no! unfortunately the search goes on!

 

[Anonymous]

Obviously you have to be happy with the picture, but I've been watching mad men on dvd recently on my plasma and the menu is pretty much black shapes on a white background and the blacks are deep and the whites very white (to my eyes, I can't find fault with it) and this is with a fairly low contrast setting without thx mode engaged - so i'd imagine it would be pretty similar on the g10.

Good luck in your search though.