RCA interconnect over 12 meters for Pro-Ject T2 Super Phono deck to AV amp?

[Tange]

Hi - I have just ordered the Pro-Ject T2 Super Phono deck (has own phono preamp built in (Pro-Ject Phono Box S2 equivalent).
My AV amp is 12m away however but not near any other cables/electricity lines).
I wonder whether the choice of RCA interconnect will make a difference over the 12m distance?
I ask as the price varies wildly so is it a worthy investment in interconnect?
Could cost less than £20 (Amazon Basics) but will stretch to £150 if it will make a discernible difference to the sound output by the AV amp (I am not planning to upgrade the AV amp).
At the higher end I am considering either the AudioQuest G-Snake (can get for £55 as discontinued) or the AudioQuest Tower (£135) .. and that's per pair thankfully...

Cheers,
Steve

 

[RTHerringbone]

What's the room(s) setup? 12 metres is quite the distance and generally RCAs are used over much shorter distances as you'll get a real risk of noise and degradation. It's why you usually see cables in one metre lengths or thereabouts.

 

[Al ears]

What's the room(s) setup? 12 metres is quite the distance and generally RCAs are used over much shorter distances as you'll get a real risk of noise and degradation. It's why you usually see cables in one metre lengths or thereabouts.

Yes, I wouldn't be using a turntable that far away from the amp which is why most decks with prefitted interconnects are usually 1.5m

 

[Tange]

Hi and thank you for your replies to date. Very much appreciated. In reply, I don't have an option to place the deck any closer to the amp hence the question about the interconnect (and I do see off the shelf RCAs up to 20m in length so someone must buy them I guess
Cheers, Steve

 

[Al ears]

Hi and thank you for your replies to date. Very much appreciated. In reply, I don't have an option to place the deck any closer to the amp hence the question about the interconnect (and I do see off the shelf RCAs up to 20m in length so someone must buy them I guess
Cheers, Steve

Not to connect a turntable i would imagine. Try some and see. Personally I would find a way to move that turntable.

 

[Integralista]

Hi and thank you for your replies to date. Very much appreciated. In reply, I don't have an option to place the deck any closer to the amp hence the question about the interconnect (and I do see off the shelf RCAs up to 20m in length so someone must buy them I guess
Cheers, Steve

Hi, can you pls. post some picture/pictures of your setup? We could come with some idea to help you. BR.

 

[abacus]

Forget it, the chances of that working properly are small, you need to move either the turntable or amp. (The maximum recommended for RCA is 6m)
This article may help Cable length

Bill

 

[Messiah]

Whilst I agree it's not ideal, the Amazon basics cables are pretty decent.

I would get these and see how it performs. If it's no good then you could send them back. At least you will know. Could be fine. (I suspect it will be).

 

[daytona600]

Phono RCA cables 0.5/1.0m would be maximum
long runs will seriously affect sound & noise

Project Debut PRO B has RCA & XLR balanced outputs
XLR cables are ideal for long runs 10/20metres +

 

[daytona600]

Other option Project T2W
Built in streamer 10metres or 10,000miles no problem

Pro-Ject T2 W Wi-Fi Turntable

In a sign of the times, one of our favorite turntable companies, Pro-Ject, has just introduced their first Wi-Fi-capable ’table, the T2 W — a ’table that also meets the build-quality standards of one of its T Line predecessors: the no-plastic, zero-resonance T1. The new Pro-Ject T2 W turntable...

www.analogplanet.com

Wi-Fi streaming technology. This groundbreaking feature enables seamless streaming to a wide range of modern network-enabled audio devices, including HiFi streamers, network-enabled home theater A/V receivers, and contemporary streaming loudspeakers. Such versatility empowers you to effortlessly integrate the T2 W into any living space, taking modern lifestyle concepts to an entirely new level.

 

[Integralista]

Other option Project T2W
Built in streamer 10metres or 10,000miles no problem

Pro-Ject T2 W Wi-Fi Turntable

In a sign of the times, one of our favorite turntable companies, Pro-Ject, has just introduced their first Wi-Fi-capable ’table, the T2 W — a ’table that also meets the build-quality standards of one of its T Line predecessors: the no-plastic, zero-resonance T1. The new Pro-Ject T2 W turntable...

www.analogplanet.com

Wi-Fi streaming technology. This groundbreaking feature enables seamless streaming to a wide range of modern network-enabled audio devices, including HiFi streamers, network-enabled home theater A/V receivers, and contemporary streaming loudspeakers. Such versatility empowers you to effortlessly integrate the T2 W into any living space, taking modern lifestyle concepts to an entirely new level.

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If sound quality is not a prio nr 1, than I agree with this solution. But use turntable with 20m of rca cable is like to connect to neighbour house and his turntable, just wasting money for cables.

 

[nopiano]

Perhaps a wall shelf might help you place your turntable nearer? At least you will be sending an equalised, line level signal, as the phono stage is in your turntable. Most of us are used to cartridge signals being weak and susceptible to interference, hence the limited length commonly supplied with a turntable.

See if you can borrow some, or buy on a ‘try it and see’ basis, where you can return if the quality suffers.

 

[Gray]

If you're ok with a bit of soldering, stick 4 plugs on a length of twin CT100 satellite cable.
Designed for permanent fixing rather than flexibility, but you won't find many better screened, noise-rejecting cables.

Not as cheap as it used to be, but you could pay a lot more for less interference rejection with other cables.

 

[Fandango Andy]

Hi - I have just ordered the Pro-Ject T2 Super Phono deck (has own phono preamp built in (Pro-Ject Phono Box S2 equivalent).
My AV amp is 12m away however but not near any other cables/electricity lines).
I wonder whether the choice of RCA interconnect will make a difference over the 12m distance?
I ask as the price varies wildly so is it a worthy investment in interconnect?
Could cost less than £20 (Amazon Basics) but will stretch to £150 if it will make a discernible difference to the sound output by the AV amp (I am not planning to upgrade the AV amp).
At the higher end I am considering either the AudioQuest G-Snake (can get for £55 as discontinued) or the AudioQuest Tower (£135) .. and that's per pair thankfully...

Cheers,
Steve

If your room is so big you are placing the amp and turntable 40 feet apart, have you considered a separate analogue two channel system? it will probably sound better than your AV system.

 

[Tange]

Hi All, brilliant and valued input from all - THANK YOU!

Some more info as requested:
The deck is going behind the black sofa on a new cupboard which will hold all my vinyl. I want to keep my turntable by my vinyl and can't move the AV unit as the TV is massive and we only have one wall in the room and it's being wall mounted so it can be portrait format art when TV not in use and landscape angled into the room when watching TV (we don't watch much TV so the TV will mainly be in portrait mode) - the below shows the TV end of the room.


The new much larger TV is yet to be hung on a bracket. The AV kit below will be put in a cupboard with the centre speaker so all the cables/clutter are hidden. When using the TV/AV we will have the cupboard doors open. We can't move the AV kit to where the deck will be as all the speaker cables for 5.1 are in the walls of the room, (see for instance the 2 rear wall hung speakers above the blue painting in photo 1).

The 10m RCA cable from the turntable to the AV amp will run along the bi-fold doors in a conduit to the AV under the TV.

What I plan to do based on your valued input folks noting I have limited budget.
1. try the 10m RCA cable with the deck and AV amp before fitting it - I can get a full refund for the cable and deck if they do not work
2. if above does not work then consider the Pro-Ject T2 W (which means I can stream anywhere in the house within wifi range (even in the garden with wifi repeaters! Though costing another £400 over the T2 Super Phono deck)

The Pro-Ject Debut Pro B seems like a great product but if I am paying £300 to £400 more for this or the T2 W I'd prefer the add on capability of the W with wifi than the purist capability of the PRO B and cost of the XLR cables etc

As a hifi novice trying to understand the tech do you think I now have a reasonable go forward strategy?

Many many thanks,
Steve

 

[Vincent Kars]

As you are using signals at line level, I expect 10 m of well shielded coax will do the job.
If it fails, you can turn any analog gear into a WiFi source by using a WiiM Pro. It simply comes with an ADC.

WiiM Pro and Plus | Versatile Audiophile Streaming: Unleash the Brilliance

Unveil the brilliance of your music with WiiM Pro and Plus. Embrace versatile audiophile streaming that redefines your listening experience with uncompromising quality

www.wiimhome.com

 

[Tange]

As you are using signals at line level, I expect 10 m of well shielded coax will do the job.
If it fails, you can turn any analog gear into a WiFi source by using a WiiM Pro. It simply comes with an ADC.

WiiM Pro and Plus | Versatile Audiophile Streaming: Unleash the Brilliance

Unveil the brilliance of your music with WiiM Pro and Plus. Embrace versatile audiophile streaming that redefines your listening experience with uncompromising quality

www.wiimhome.com

Hi Vincent, this is very interesting thank you!

Are you saying I could connect the Wiim (Pro or Plus or other??) to my preferred Pro-Ject TT Super Phono deck using the Pro-Ject supplied 1.5m near lossless RCA cable and broadcast over wifi around the whole house?

If so I guess I would need to get an AV amp that can pick up the Wiim's output signal via wifi so it can put the deck's music through the AV amp to the speakers?

As Sandy said "Tell me more?"

Cheers, Steve

 

[Vincent Kars]

If the WiiM support the DLNA "play to" function, it can send the audio to a UPnP/DLNA enabled receiver.
Likewise a UPnP enable device might see the WiiM as a server and can play from it.

If none of these work, you need a second WiiM connected to your existing amp either analog or digital.
Better check here: https://forum.wiimhome.com/

 

[Al ears]

If the WiiM support the DLNA "play to" function, it can send the audio to a UPnP/DLNA enabled receiver.
Likewise a UPnP enable device might see the WiiM as a server and can play from it.

If none of these work, you need a second WiiM connected to your existing amp either analog or digital.
Better check here: https://forum.wiimhome.com/

No we are getting expensive.
The simple solution is move the turntable.....
Or if he must try a 12m run of cable.

 

[Dave_]

A couple of Bluetooth adapters would be simpler and cheaper in my view.

Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see mention of the model of AVR, it may even have BT, many do these days, so only the one adapter for the TT would be needed.

 

[nopiano]

As you say you are ‘a Hifi novice’ then I’d have to question the sanity of buying a turntable. It’s understandable for folk my age who bought most of their LPs before CD was launched. But if you’re starting out then streaming is all you need!

By all means buy some albums to display the art, but don’t bother playing them!

 

[Tange]

As you say you are ‘a Hifi novice’ then I’d have to question the sanity of buying a turntable. It’s understandable for folk my age who bought most of their LPs before CD was launched. But if you’re starting out then streaming is all you need!

By all means buy some albums to display the art, but don’t bother playing them!

Hi Nopiano, I may be a hifi novice but I am 62 years old and in the thread I said I had vinyl - and that's a lot of vinyl ;-)

 

[Tange]

A couple of Bluetooth adapters would be simpler and cheaper in my view.

Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see mention of the model of AVR, it may even have BT, many do these days, so only the one adapter for the TT would be needed.

Great idea and re: AVR I am in the market for a new AV unit too so do I just need a BT ready TT or plug the TT RCA into a BT transmitter so the AVR can recieve it?

 

[nopiano]

Hi Nopiano, I may be a hifi novice but I am 62 years old and in the thread I said I had vinyl - and that's a lot of vinyl ;-)

Apologies, I missed that detail. Fair enough! 🙂

 

[Dave_]

Great idea and re: AVR I am in the market for a new AV unit too so do I just need a BT ready TT or plug the TT RCA into a BT transmitter so the AVR can recieve it?

Just plug the TT RCA into a Bluetooth adapter, but you'd need to check your AVR has Bluetooth, if not a second BT adapter would be required to connect to the AVR