Question re: preamp signal going to a intergrated in/out loop...

[Andrewjvt]

Volume controls, four of them in my chain... HA-1 (varible or set), Emotiva A-100 (arriving soon) Minidsp DDRC-24 and AVI DM10s (remote control but blind) the bane of my life. ;-)

Thats why i wont buy avi actives. I prefer a straight forward active without built in preamp So you can still change things around as you wish. Also no balanced connections.

so what's that gain control doing on the back of most active monitors Andrew? is it any different than avi gain control? let's say you set on your left speaker gain at 12 o'clock and gain on your right speker at 12 o'clock - are you sure the left/ right balance is perfect? these are only potentiometers.. are these identical? or perfectly paired? 

and what's more important: xlr cables or perfect channel balance?

 

Channel balance does not even come into it. I dont like the preamp built into the speaker design.

sorry Andrew.. I have another version of my post, here it is: 

so what's that gain control doing on the back of most active monitors Andrew? is it any different than avi gain control?

it is rethorical question Andrew..

obviously, avi gain control and gain control of any other active monitors is same thing with one little difference.. on yours jbl lsr's when you have gain knob set on left speaker at 12 o'clock and gain on your right speaker at 12 o'clock - are you sure the left/ right balance/ gain/ volume is perfect/ on the same level? these are only potentiometers.. are these identical? or perfectly paired?

on avi's there are no separate gain knobs but digitally controlled analogue preamp ( read: gain control) so channel tracking is spot on. 

 

 

Balance is not an issue for me at all.
Nor am i saying the jbls are perfect.
Why the need always for competition with avi?
The sound they produce is ok
I just dont like the design

 

[lpv]

you've said you wont be buying Avi's because you prefer 'straight actives' and we ( Steve and myself) explained to you that you can use Avi's as straight actives. that's all really.

ps. can you remind why balanced connections are of such a high importance to you please?

 

[Andrewjvt]

Thats why i wont buy avi actives. I prefer a straight forward active without built in preamp So you can still change things around as you wish.

With the DM10 and ADM9 speakers all you need to do is press the 'AV' button on the remote control and they effectively become a normal pair of regular 'dumb' active speakers with a fixed volume level.

That's how I use mine. They are set in 'AV mode' and I use a separate external DAC and pre-amp to control them. My AVI remote control is unused and has been packed away in a box in the spare room for about two years.

Thats good and all but another thing i dont like is the speaker is useless without the remote control.

AVI sell replacement remote controls of you lose or damage the original.

They use a standard Philips code so one of those universal remotes should work too. I've never tried one though.

Why are you using a preamp?

 

[steve_1979]

Thats why i wont buy avi actives. I prefer a straight forward active without built in preamp So you can still change things around as you wish.

With the DM10 and ADM9 speakers all you need to do is press the 'AV' button on the remote control and they effectively become a normal pair of regular 'dumb' active speakers with a fixed volume level.

That's how I use mine. They are set in 'AV mode' and I use a separate external DAC and pre-amp to control them. My AVI remote control is unused and has been packed away in a box in the spare room for about two years.

Thats good and all but another thing i dont like is the speaker is useless without the remote control.

AVI sell replacement remote controls if you lose or damage the original.

They use a standard Philips code so one of those universal remotes should work too. I've never tried one though.

 

[Andrewjvt]

you've said you wont be buying Avi's because you prefer 'straight actives' and we ( Steve and myself) explained to you that you can use Avi's as straight actives. that's all really. 

ps. can you remind why balanced connections are of such a high importance to you please? 

I like to stand behind the speaker and admire them while im listening to music.

Lol

My balanced outputs pads have adjustable gain jumpers to match the speakers.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Why are you using a preamp?

I use a Yamaha DSP-E800 receiver for the DAC and pre-amp duties.

The main reasons are that it's sometimes convenient to have a physical volume knob and a visual display telling me which input is selected. It also allows me to adjust the subwoofer volume level using the remote control which I like to turn up when playing first person computer games (it's fun to feel the bass from every gunshot). The Dynamic range compressor DSP function comes in handy for when I watch movies because hollywood blockbuster type films tend to have more dynamic range that I like.

Sound quality wise I can't tell any difference between the DAC and pre-amp in the DM10 and the DAC and pre-amp in the Yamaha (so long as all the DSP functions are switched off of course).

Makes sense to want to see.
Im the same but what do the elders at the avi church think about this (laughing smilely)

 

[steve_1979]

Makes sense to want to see. Im the same but what do the elders at the avi church think about this (laughing smilely)

There's nothing unusual about it. Many AVI users use a regular hifi source or AV receiver with pre-outs with their speakers. It makes perfect sense if you use multiple different sources or want to have some sort of display.

I know one guy who uses the pre-outs from a Naim UnitiQute. Amazingly the universe didn't spontaneously implode when they were connected up together!

 

[Andrewjvt]

Makes sense to want to see. Im the same but what do the elders at the avi church think about this (laughing smilely)

There's nothing unusual about it. Many AVI users use a regular hifi source or AV receiver with pre-outs with their speakers. It makes perfect sense if you use multiple different sources or want to have some sort of display.

I know one guy who uses the pre-outs from a Naim UnitiQute. Amazingly the universe spontaneously implode when they were connected up together!

Haha
Excommunication time

 

[steve_1979]

Why are you using a preamp?

I use a Yamaha DSP-E800 receiver for the DAC and pre-amp duties.

The main reasons are that it's sometimes convenient to have a physical volume knob and a visual display telling me which input is selected. It also allows me to adjust the subwoofer volume level using the remote control which I like to turn up when playing first person computer games (it's fun to feel the bass from every gunshot). The Dynamic range compressor DSP function comes in handy for when I watch movies because hollywood blockbuster type films tend to have more dynamic range than I like.

Sound quality wise I can't tell any difference between the DAC and pre-amp in the DM10 and the DAC and pre-amp in the Yamaha (so long as all the DSP functions are switched off of course).

 

[lpv]

an old chestnut, think about something new Andrew

 

[Andrewjvt]

an old chestnut, think about something new Andrew

New?

Still recovering from yesterdays sermon.

 

[lpv]

feel free to go back to your cosy medieval beliefs when an adult man had his mate leg for dinner

 

[Andrewjvt]

feel free to go back to your cosy medieval beliefs when an adult man had his mate leg for dinner

Is Tom Cruise the new minister?

 

[lpv]

I've seen some overpriced guillotines with high quality, heavy duty rope (every inquisitor use them these days) so call the grand inquisitor of derby for a good deal..

nice guillotine would suit your decor.

 

[lpv]

feel free to go back to your cosy medieval beliefs when an adult man had his mate leg for dinner

Is Tom Cruise the new minister?

I don't know about Tom Cruise but Com Truise got new album

https://bleep.com/release/83008-com-truise-iteration?utm_source=Bleep&utm_campaign=893cb56b05-Com+Truise+Iteration&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_db8ca97389-893cb56b05-1141278

 

[Andrewjvt]

I've seen some overpriced guillotines with high quality, heavy duty rope (every inquisitor use them these days) so call the grand inquisitor of derby for a good deal..

nice guillotine would suit your decor. 

Please explain
I understand the picture of the man eating someones leg.
This is me because i want active speakers with xlr connection.(and not Avi speakers)

But dont understand the guillotine reference.
Please explain

 

[lpv]

atc is a middle ages design so I've attached a picture of a typical mammal inhabiting Europe back then...guillotine is from same time and represent atc; rope = studio xlr cables; I do hope you know who the grand inquisitor of derby is..

ps. why these days you have to add the description of a joke is beyond me and so middle ages

 

[Andrewjvt]

atc is a middle ages design so I've attached a picture of a typical mammal inhabiting Europe back then...guillotine is from same time and represent atc; rope = studio xlr cables; I do hope you know who the grand inquisitor of derby is.. 

ps. why these days you have to add the description of a joke is beyond me and so middle ages

 

Because im trying to point out to you how very silly it is for you to get so obsessed about which hifi brand i prefer.

You already have the best hifi in the world (in your mind) so you should feel relaxed and secure in the knowledge.

 

[lpv]

 

[lpv]

I'm only joking Andrew mate.. I've picked up the religion theme you've started, that's all..

 

[Andrewjvt]

I'm only joking Andrew mate.. I've picked up the religion theme you've started, that's all.. 

No worries
Ita hard trying to eat someones legs, hold an xlr cable and understand jokes at the same time.

Come on man haha

 

[lpv]