But you're not comparing like-with-like - the Panasonic projector could offer twice the picture size! It's certainly cheaper - even with decent screen and cable - than a 60in Kuro, for example.
the price has`nt dropped for projectors at all. how often do you have to change the bulb and how much does it cost? rumour has it that panasonic will make 3-d projectors true or false?
sorry for jumping in on this thread, clare how would the infocus in80 or x10's picture quality compare to my pioneer 428xd ? because im thinking of buying one of them.
You've got a great TV - inFocus IN80 with a good screen in right conditions should give you more of the same on a bigger scale, but i'd look to a pricier projector if you want a major jump in quality as well as size.
tvspecv:the price has`nt dropped for projectors at all. how often do you have to change the bulb and how much does it cost? rumour has it that panasonic will make 3-d projectors true or false?
the price HAS dropped for projectors - massively so. You can now buy Full HD designs for sub-£1000, and the high-end 1080p quality you were paying 3-4K for just a couple of years ago is now yours for half that.
There's another thread (click here) about how long people's bulbs have lasted - i'm now on year 3 of mine when it's my only viewing source. Several dealers are offering the Panasonic '3000 projector mentioned earlier in this thread with a spare bulb when you buy it.
Re 3D - seems a mix of source providing it (Sky+ HD; Blu-ray etc) and commitment from Panasonic and others to support it via displays. Have seen PCs/PC monitors offering it, too - nothing definite as yet, so no clear answer.
the price HAS dropped for projectors - massively so. You can now buy Full HD designs for sub-£1000, and the high-end 1080p quality you were paying 3-4K for just a couple of years ago is now yours for half that.
There's another thread (click here) about how long people's bulbs have lasted - i'm now on year 3 of mine when it's my only viewing source. Several dealers are offering the Panasonic '3000 projector mentioned earlier in this thread with a spare bulb when you buy it.
Re 3D - seems a mix of source providing it (Sky+ HD; Blu-ray etc) and commitment from Panasonic and others to support it via displays. Have seen PCs/PC monitors offering it, too - nothing definite as yet, so no clear answer.
Clare Newsome:
tvspecv:the price has`nt dropped for projectors at all. how often do you have to change the bulb and how much does it cost? rumour has it that panasonic will make 3-d projectors true or false?
the price HAS dropped for projectors - massively so. You can now buy Full HD designs for sub-£1000, and the high-end 1080p quality you were paying 3-4K for just a couple of years ago is now yours for half that.
There's another thread (click here) about how long people's bulbs have lasted - i'm now on year 3 of mine when it's my only viewing source. Several dealers are offering the Panasonic '3000 projector mentioned earlier in this thread with a spare bulb when you buy it.
Re 3D - seems a mix of source providing it (Sky+ HD; Blu-ray etc) and commitment from Panasonic and others to support it via displays. Have seen PCs/PC monitors offering it, too - nothing definite as yet, so no clear answer.
its off subject clare , but i got an email from a dominic dawes recently , asking for my name as he wanted to use a post of mine in the mag , whas that from whfi as it seemed ? i thought it may have been spam , ta..
tvspecv:the price has`nt dropped for projectors at all. how often do you have to change the bulb and how much does it cost? rumour has it that panasonic will make 3-d projectors true or false?
the price HAS dropped for projectors - massively so. You can now buy Full HD designs for sub-£1000, and the high-end 1080p quality you were paying 3-4K for just a couple of years ago is now yours for half that.
There's another thread (click here) about how long people's bulbs have lasted - i'm now on year 3 of mine when it's my only viewing source. Several dealers are offering the Panasonic '3000 projector mentioned earlier in this thread with a spare bulb when you buy it.
Re 3D - seems a mix of source providing it (Sky+ HD; Blu-ray etc) and commitment from Panasonic and others to support it via displays. Have seen PCs/PC monitors offering it, too - nothing definite as yet, so no clear answer.
its off subject clare , but i got an email from a dominic dawes recently , asking for my name as he wanted to use a post of mine in the mag , whas that from whfi as it seemed ? i thought it may have been spam , ta..
maxflinn:Clare Newsome:
tvspecv:the price has`nt dropped for projectors at all. how often do you have to change the bulb and how much does it cost? rumour has it that panasonic will make 3-d projectors true or false?
the price HAS dropped for projectors - massively so. You can now buy Full HD designs for sub-£1000, and the high-end 1080p quality you were paying 3-4K for just a couple of years ago is now yours for half that.
There's another thread (click here) about how long people's bulbs have lasted - i'm now on year 3 of mine when it's my only viewing source. Several dealers are offering the Panasonic '3000 projector mentioned earlier in this thread with a spare bulb when you buy it.
Re 3D - seems a mix of source providing it (Sky+ HD; Blu-ray etc) and commitment from Panasonic and others to support it via displays. Have seen PCs/PC monitors offering it, too - nothing definite as yet, so no clear answer.
its off subject clare , but i got an email from a dominic dawes recently , asking for my name as he wanted to use a post of mine in the mag , whas that from whfi as it seemed ? i thought it may have been spam , ta..
oh by the way , it read , domonic dawes to amoorhouse , i though it seemed odd ..
tvspecv:the price has`nt dropped for projectors at all. how often do you have to change the bulb and how much does it cost? rumour has it that panasonic will make 3-d projectors true or false?
the price HAS dropped for projectors - massively so. You can now buy Full HD designs for sub-£1000, and the high-end 1080p quality you were paying 3-4K for just a couple of years ago is now yours for half that.
There's another thread (click here) about how long people's bulbs have lasted - i'm now on year 3 of mine when it's my only viewing source. Several dealers are offering the Panasonic '3000 projector mentioned earlier in this thread with a spare bulb when you buy it.
Re 3D - seems a mix of source providing it (Sky+ HD; Blu-ray etc) and commitment from Panasonic and others to support it via displays. Have seen PCs/PC monitors offering it, too - nothing definite as yet, so no clear answer.
its off subject clare , but i got an email from a dominic dawes recently , asking for my name as he wanted to use a post of mine in the mag , whas that from whfi as it seemed ? i thought it may have been spam , ta..
oh by the way , it read , domonic dawes to amoorhouse , i though it seemed odd ..
Clare Newsome:It's genuine - we pick good threads to use in the new and advice sections of the magazine.
ok , thanks , i guess ive missed my chance of av fame
ok , thanks , i guess ive missed my chance of av fame
I am relatively new to What Hi Fi but as a professional who installs projectors in all types of venues right up to very high end cinema and corporate systems , a projector will never look as good as a plasma in daylight conditions. In a dark room yes but in an environment with normal ambient light or at worst direct sunlight not a chance.
If you go to a cinema you are in darkness - blacks are black and white is white. Perfect contrast irelevant of machines specs. In daylight using a projector, black is never black - it is varying shades of grey whereas with TV's, black is always black or very close to even in daylight.
Even with a powerful projector in daylight, going up the lumen scale you are only boosting whites and colours but blacks are no better. If I ever am allowed to have my own room in the house as a lads cinema/games hangout then I would get a Christie 3-chip DLP projector and an 8' screen and never look back. But in daylight conditions - unless I had to have a large screen (and that would still be a compromise) a plasma is the daddy.
And until projectors are 3 chip DLP at sensible money you are prone to the rainbow effect and colour/fast image smoothness issues. So a while before they are 'perfected' for film viewing in consumer enviroments within a realistic budget.
If you go to a cinema you are in darkness - blacks are black and white is white. Perfect contrast irelevant of machines specs. In daylight using a projector, black is never black - it is varying shades of grey whereas with TV's, black is always black or very close to even in daylight.
Even with a powerful projector in daylight, going up the lumen scale you are only boosting whites and colours but blacks are no better. If I ever am allowed to have my own room in the house as a lads cinema/games hangout then I would get a Christie 3-chip DLP projector and an 8' screen and never look back. But in daylight conditions - unless I had to have a large screen (and that would still be a compromise) a plasma is the daddy.
And until projectors are 3 chip DLP at sensible money you are prone to the rainbow effect and colour/fast image smoothness issues. So a while before they are 'perfected' for film viewing in consumer enviroments within a realistic budget.
Sorreltiger
Well-known member
Following on from Fowler's question, if the Infocus models mentioned don't offer a big step up from the Pioneer 428 (or my 4280), which higher end projectors would you recommend auditioning instead? This is starting to sound expensive....
retrorb:
I am relatively new to What Hi Fi but as a professional who installs projectors in all types of venues right up to very high end cinema and corporate systems , a projector will never look as good as a plasma in daylight conditions. In a dark room yes but in an environment with normal ambient light or at worst direct sunlight not a chance.
Indeed - but the OP asked about plasma vs projectors in a dark room, and my contention that a projector could beat the TV was also based on it being in a dark room (as my post specified!)
I am relatively new to What Hi Fi but as a professional who installs projectors in all types of venues right up to very high end cinema and corporate systems , a projector will never look as good as a plasma in daylight conditions. In a dark room yes but in an environment with normal ambient light or at worst direct sunlight not a chance.
Indeed - but the OP asked about plasma vs projectors in a dark room, and my contention that a projector could beat the TV was also based on it being in a dark room (as my post specified!)
Sorreltiger:Following on from Fowler's question, if the Infocus models mentioned don't offer a big step up from the Pioneer 428 (or my 4280), which higher end projectors would you recommend auditioning instead? This is starting to sound expensive....
JVC's D-ILA models are the business...
JVC's D-ILA models are the business...
Frank Harvey
Well-known member
retrorb: And until projectors are 3 chip DLP at sensible money you are prone to the rainbow effect and colour/fast image smoothness issues. So a while before they are 'perfected' for film viewing in consumer enviroments within a realistic budget.Which is the main reason why we tend to use Mitsubishi LCD's and JVC D-ILA's projectors in store.
Even though it is getting old(and the next time the bulb goes I think I will get a new projector), I love my projector. I use it for sports & movies - although my son loves In the Night Garden on an 8ft screen - can look quite trippy! The dark room is key I think as I have the cinema set up in the converted cellar - professionally done 4 1/2 yrs ago, recessed speakers, hidden wiring etc. The beer fridge does have an irregular slight hum to it but some sacrifices have to be made!
projectors are made for dark enviroments that is the downside then tv does truimph in light conditions. i dont think they can ever make a projector that works in well light conditions does any1 disagree?
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