I understand that sound quality increases with price - but this is also limited. Please convince me that if I buy not less than a 1000 $ TT with a 200 $ cart it's going to sound so worse than a 20.000 $ up decks...? Is this really so ?
stereoman said:I understand that sound quality increases with price - but this is also limited. Please convince me that if I buy not less than a 1000 $ TT with a 200 $ cart it's going to sound so worse than a 20.000 $ up decks...? Is this really so ?
DougK said:That's a difficult one as I've never heard a $20K deck. But cartridges are a different proposition, a $200 vs $700 cartridge on the same turntable then yes you will hear a distinct difference in presentation. Is a $700 cartridge on a $1000 turntable a waste... yes, in as much as it would probably sound infinitely better on a $4000 turntable.
jjbomber said:stereoman said:I understand that sound quality increases with price - but this is also limited. Please convince me that if I buy not less than a 1000 $ TT with a 200 $ cart it's going to sound so worse than a 20.000 $ up decks...? Is this really so ?
Unfortunately I have $20 ears, so it won't matter! If you asked a professional recording musician to listen to their own album on both, he will spot huge differences. For us mere mortals that won't be the case.
What are the Leema speakers like?
stereoman said:As to the Leema speakers....careful you enter my "best-personal-speaker-area-so-far". Great speakers. Most important things - extremely fast, very revealing treble - timber, violins - for example - offer very thruthful reproduction. Monitor like sound with tight quality bass rather than amount.
jjbomber said:stereoman said:As to the Leema speakers....careful you enter my "best-personal-speaker-area-so-far". Great speakers. Most important things - extremely fast, very revealing treble - timber, violins - for example - offer very thruthful reproduction. Monitor like sound with tight quality bass rather than amount.
I have read several glowing reviews on them, so I thought I would seek out an owners viewpoint. They also say they are bomb-proof in build quality. Or child-proof as we say in hi-fi land. One to add to the list when I get upgradeitis.
CnoEvil said:The only way you will be convinced (or not), is to hear it for yourself...as it is doubtful that anyone here can do so from behind a keyboard.
I haven't been into TTs for over 25 years....but all I can say is that an LP12/Ittok/Asak was much better than a Rega Planar 3/RB300/R100, which was much better than a Trio KD 1033B + Ortofon FF15E
stereoman said:Yes I mean I can understand that if I buy an Accuphase CD player - it's packed with spotless circuits and dac chips so that the price is much increased. But I do not really get where the price goes in TT costing 20K up ? I know they are made of fine stuff but price / sound ratio raises my eyebrows a 5K vs 25K TT how much better a 25K TT is going to sound ? Again, it is so difficult to describe something without hearing and that is also true.
stereoman said:DougK said:That's a difficult one as I've never heard a $20K deck. But cartridges are a different proposition, a $200 vs $700 cartridge on the same turntable then yes you will hear a distinct difference in presentation. Is a $700 cartridge on a $1000 turntable a waste... yes, in as much as it would probably sound infinitely better on a $4000 turntable.
Ok if I buy a 200$ cart on my deck will it make sense or not at all ? You suggest than expensive carts should go with expensive decks then ?
DougK said:stereoman said:DougK said:That's a difficult one as I've never heard a $20K deck. But cartridges are a different proposition, a $200 vs $700 cartridge on the same turntable then yes you will hear a distinct difference in presentation. Is a $700 cartridge on a $1000 turntable a waste... yes, in as much as it would probably sound infinitely better on a $4000 turntable.
Ok if I buy a 200$ cart on my deck will it make sense or not at all ? You suggest than expensive carts should go with expensive decks then ?
Your current TT comes fitted with an AT95E cart, standalone price for the cart is currently approx £30 and your TT approx £300, therefore cart value to TT value ratio is 10%. Personally I would push this this to 50% max and no more, therefore £150 for a cartridge. I have performed something similar with my TT where the fitted cart is approx 50% of the TT price and it worked for me but I personally wouldn't go any further up the cartridge foodchain as I don't believe the arm or TT would do any further upgrades justice.
But, and it's a large but, I am under no illusions that my cartridge would not sound infinitely better on a £4K TT. It's your choice and your money in the end.
abacus said:As always it’s the law of diminishing returns, so yes an expensive deck will sound better than a medium deck, but there will be nowhere near the difference between the expensive and medium deck as there will be between the entry and medium deck.
When upgrading your turntable system, always change the cartridge first (Even if it costs more than you paid for the deck) as this makes the biggest difference, then when you do upgrade the deck you will feel like it is money well spent. (Do it the other way round and you will disappointed with the results, and then question whether it is worth changing the cartridge)
My favourite is still the Mitchell Gyrodeck, SME Series IV arm and Ortofon 2M Black cartridge.
Bill
davedotco said:abacus said:As always it’s the law of diminishing returns, so yes an expensive deck will sound better than a medium deck, but there will be nowhere near the difference between the expensive and medium deck as there will be between the entry and medium deck.
When upgrading your turntable system, always change the cartridge first (Even if it costs more than you paid for the deck) as this makes the biggest difference, then when you do upgrade the deck you will feel like it is money well spent. (Do it the other way round and you will disappointed with the results, and then question whether it is worth changing the cartridge)
My favourite is still the Mitchell Gyrodeck, SME Series IV arm and Ortofon 2M Black cartridge.
Bill
If you have a preference for moving coil cartridges (as I do), then somewhat different rules apply. The qualities required of the player, both turntable and arm, by a good mc cartridge are much higher than those required by an mm device so it is prudent to sort out the player first.
Plus 1, for the Gyrodec combo, it is one of the very few 'classic' players that have maintained a sensible price though the current price of the Series IV is pretty eyewatering. By your own (better cartridge first) logic, I would suggest the Gyro/RB330/OC9 combo, mentioned above, to be a more capable setup, much cheaper too.
I find it a shame that few enthusiasts get to hear players of this standard, let alone genuine high-end models.
abacus said:As always it’s the law of diminishing returns, so yes an expensive deck will sound better than a medium deck, but there will be nowhere near the difference between the expensive and medium deck as there will be between the entry and medium deck.