Plug in Solar panels

[Shrek]

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[daytona600]

Plugin PV on its third centurty
THE SUN NEVER SENDS YOU A BILL

1839, French physicist Alexandre Edmond Becquerel discovered the photovoltaic effect, where light can generate electricity
1883, American inventor Charles Fritts built the first solar cell using selenium coated with gold.

 

[Paul.]

I really want solar panels but I’m stuck in Limbo, my area doesn’t have a secondary school that serves it even though I’m relatively central in Bristol. Don’t want to fork out for battery and panels when I may have to move in 8 years. I’ll have to take a look at these little ones.

 

[Gray]

Plug-in solar panels sound like a good idea. But it's just another thing the UK government has not fully thought through.
See this video from the people that have to think about things:

View: https://youtu.be/uzCAUk0RYZc?si=2nXhSPu7FYltzrUg&t=50

 

[good_enough]

Plug-in solar panels sound like a good idea. But it's just another thing the UK government has not fully thought through.
See this video from the people that have to think about things:

View: https://youtu.be/uzCAUk0RYZc?si=2nXhSPu7FYltzrUg&t=50

The 'UK Government' does not think things through - that's the job of civil servants, who take advice from experts and consultants. I've been involved as an 'industry voice' in a couple of these exercises (in different industries/areas) and generally found the process thorough.

The HMG announcement at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-make-plug-in-solar-available-within-months says

"Retailers like Lidl and Iceland, alongside manufacturers such as EcoFlow, are working with government to enable them to be brought to the UK market. "

(My emphases) - expect any introduction to have whatever caveats/advices are necessary.

 

[Gray]

The 'UK Government' does not think things through - that's the job of civil servants,

Thank goodness for civil servants then - they must've been responsible for all of the recent u-turns on poorly (non) thought through policies 😉

 

[Gray]

expect any introduction to have whatever caveats/advices are necessary.

I certainly used to have such expectations.
But do you think that industry bodies / civil servants advised the Government on the LED headlights that have been allowed to be fitted to the latest cars?

If so, how did they get it so wrong?
Those same experts have been subsequently researching the harm....for years - a bit too late really.

 

[daytona600]

1st it was GB Energy 10,000 jobs & Billions of pounds in Investment
Now feck it buy your own from the middle isle in Lidl
Cheap chinese PV products with " Free thermal runaway " to keep you warm

 

[good_enough]

I certainly used to have such expectations.
But do you think that industry bodies / civil servants advised the Government on the LED headlights that have been allowed to be fitted to the latest cars?

If so, how did they get it so wrong?
Those same experts have been subsequently researching the harm....for years - a bit too late really.

I think in that case the lights met all existing regs which specified merely minimum standards of brightness and the problems caused by a new technology in an old application were not foreseen. That's different from the introduction of a new product category.

 

[Revolutions]

Another meta post winner where @good_enough is able to reinforce that something, is indeed, good enough 😎

 

[abacus]

I certainly used to have such expectations.
But do you think that industry bodies / civil servants advised the Government on the LED headlights that have been allowed to be fitted to the latest cars?

If so, how did they get it so wrong?
Those same experts have been subsequently researching the harm....for years - a bit too late really.

For safety LED lights are as big as jump from halogen as halogen was from sealed beam, however they need to be implemented correctly.
In old cars the headlights were usually above the sidelights to get the range needed and thus dipped beams were required, this however is not needed with LEDs as there range is much greater (Which is why a lot of new cars have the headlights under the side (Running) lights, that way even on full beam they are below the eyesight of oncoming drivers, thus minimal dazzle (A bit like front fog lights), unfortunately when LED lights first came out (Or illegal retrofits are used) manufactures left the same layout as if they were using halogen lights and hence the problems (The popularity of unnecessary SUVs also didn't help).
Fortunately most modern cars now being released with correctly implemented LED lights, but as there are still 1000s on the road that were not implemented correctly, then that is the problem.
Getting rid of LED lights would be the equivalent of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Bill

 

[good_enough]

Another meta post winner where @good_enough is able to reinforce that something, is indeed, good enough 😎

And if you keep following me around, you too will discover The Way to complete satisfaction.

 

[Gray]

I think in that case the lights met all existing regs which specified merely minimum standards of brightness and the problems caused by a new technology in an old application were not foreseen. That's different from the introduction of a new product category.

But it was obvious that the new tech was going to be used in old tech - it's amazing that new regs and testing did not allow for this. The problems should have been forseen.
I really wish I had your optimism that we can always rely on the decision makers.

 

[Gray]

Getting rid of LED lights would be the equivalent of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Bill

👍 I've never suggested getting rid of LED

 

[abacus]

👍 I've never suggested getting rid of LED

Apologies, I misunderstood the post and way it appeared to imply that you did.

Bill

 

[Jasonovich]

I confess I haven't read through the entire thread and apologies if I'm stating the obvious.
I am rather sceptical about plug in solar PV panels and yes indeed, Plug and Pray!

You can't install solar PV panels without first undergoing a comprehensive roof structural assessment, some of our Council buildings had experienced leaks or severe damp due to poor installation. We had tiles being damaged, collapsed roofing, this all due to cutting corners to reduce the costs.

You need professional outfit to assess the strutural integrity, not all roofs are suitable or economically viable, such as property under the constant shadow of much taller block.