Philips 40PFL9704 vs Pioneer kuro pdp-lx5090

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I agree with bigboss. I don't believe LED (the LCD kind I assume you mean?) will ever beat plasma. Personally I think this years Panasonic plasma's will smash any LCD screen (also the LED versions).

If any technology will beat plasma it will be OLED (eventually).
 
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If any technology will beat plasma it will be OLED (eventually).

Oooooooooooo.......the better TV technology debate!! Another in the pipeline, but rarely discussed about, is Laser TV, promoted by Mitsubishi. This is what the manufacturer claims:

"Mitsubishi's LaserVue Laser TV harnesses the power of the world's
purest light source to deliver two times the color of many of today's
HDTVs. Laser beams provide an extensive range of rich, complex colors,
truly distinct clarity, and immersive depth of field. LaserVue sets the
new standard for large screen television by delivering unimaginable
color at approximately one third the operating power consumption of
similarly-sized LCD TVs and one fourth of plasmas. LaserVue also comes
equipped with 3D-ready viewing technology. Mitsubishi LaserVue...Simply
the Greatest Picture on the Planet!"


Clare, did you visit the Mitsubishi stand at CES 2010? How good are their Laser TVs?
 
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kruum:In my experience, the 9704 was a hellish tv to set up. Just like every Philips. Only this one was worse because it kept having a blueish glow across the screen from all angles except if you were standing/sitting right in front of it. No I would not recommend it over the LX5090.

This is spot on and right to the point Kruum! A very thorough Danish review made the exact same comments. An English summary is actually available. I could be tempted to make a link, but that would be against the house rules I believe.

The blueish glow you talk about is due to a way too high colour temperature (around 11.000K instead of the target 6.500K). Gamma is way off as well, making shadow details poor to say the least! The screen produces excellent blacks, but what does that help when there are zero details in the dark scenes?

Picture settings can of course be adjusted, but as always on Philips this is very tricky, and no matter what you do, the end result will never be optimal (if of course your goal is to set up the screen according to international ISF standards).

This TV by no means come anywhere near the Pioneer on producing a picture that is true to the source. If this is your aim (and in my opinion it always should be) the Philips cannot be recommended over the Pioneer.

So why has just about every review out there from all the experts state that this is one of the best TV money can buy? every review i have read has given it full marks!
 
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So why has just about every review out there from all the experts state that this is one of the best TV money can buy? every review i have read has given it full marks!

That's because the review TVs are properly calibrated by experts before testing them. There's nothing wrong with the TV, only the settings need adjusting to get full benefit.
 

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andytucker:So why has just about every review out there from all the experts state that this is one of the best TV money can buy? every review i have read has given it full marks!

Two things. Not all experts have given this TV full marks in their reviews. The experts I refer to agrees there are serious flaws. Secondly, the outcome of a review very much depends on the focus of the review. This sounds pretty obvious and simple, but think about it. You might get very different outcomes by making a subjective test and making a test measuring the different capabilities of a TV. I personally prefers the last kind, and these are the ones less enthusiastic about this TV.

Bigboss is absolutely right in stating, that most reviews evaluate the adjusted (or even calibrated) TV. This is actually the greatest problem for this TV, because it is very difficult to set up appropriately for trained people. For the standard user it is almost impossible!

I have met a lot of people disappointed after buying this TV. I am not one bit surpriced.
 

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bigboss:Oooooooooooo.......the better TV technology debate!! Another in the pipeline, but rarely discussed about, is Laser TV, promoted by Mitsubishi. This is what the manufacturer claims:

"Mitsubishi's LaserVue Laser TV harnesses the power of the world's purest light source to deliver two times the color of many of today's HDTVs. Laser beams provide an extensive range of rich, complex colors, truly distinct clarity, and immersive depth of field. LaserVue sets the new standard for large screen television by delivering unimaginable color at approximately one third the operating power consumption of similarly-sized LCD TVs and one fourth of plasmas. LaserVue also comes equipped with 3D-ready viewing technology. Mitsubishi LaserVue...Simply the Greatest Picture on the Planet!"

Clare, did you visit the Mitsubishi stand at CES 2010? How good are their Laser TVs?

Well, I have heard about laser TV before, and it sure sounds promising. I just don't believe in this technology for one simple reason: It is not flatscreens. I am afraid the world have grown from CRT-like TV's. Once you have gone flat there is no way back.
 

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you can see a lot of videos on youtube about laser tvs.seems great and said that prices shouldnt be much higher than lcds or plasmas
 

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