[quote user="Duncan2112"]I think you can file that under "Typical Bull" from a non dealer,. No matter what you sell *TV;s, Cars, whatever) the first lesson you learn is to diss the suff you don't sell!Here is the web adress of a full review of the Panny and, of course, What Hi Fi are reviewing the 46" model as we speak.http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Panasonic-TH42PZ85B[/quote]Just what i thought especially when they said they stock pannys cos they bring new models out all the time ,like thats a bad thing ! and then how piuoneers are the best plasmas etc...that might be true but yeah your right bullxxx. In your opinion am i better upgrading my surruond first i was going to get Onkyo 606/ kef 3005 or se,s or mission e30 av but cant make my mind up , btw is the extra £400 for 3005se,s worth it compared with 3005,s ? Thanks .