No DSD, no Naim

[FunkyMonkey]

Nearly bought the Naim MuSo, then realised it does not do DAD.

What alternative premium "soundbars" on the market that do, Please?

 

[spiny norman]

Why on earth would anyone want to play DSD through a soundbar?

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Er, that's the point, you see.
Looking for a high quality WiFi equipped all in one box, you may call it a sound bar, that can play a high quality file.
The MuSo, for example, is a true high fidelity product.

 

[ID.]

Nearly bought the Naim MuSo, then realised it does not do DSD.

Phew! Dodged a bullet there.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Really? How so?

 

[The_Lhc]

Er, that's the point, you see. Looking for a high quality WiFi equipped all in one box, you may call it a sound bar, that can play a high quality file. The MuSo, for example, is a true high fidelity product.

Is it? There seems to be plenty of people who have heard it in their local John Lewis that think otherwise.

Either way I'm with Norman, if someone cares that much about the increased performance of DSD they're hardly likely to be listening to it through a soundbar.

I would strongly suspect the answer to your question is "none".

 

[spiny norman]

Er, that's the point, you see. Looking for a high quality WiFi equipped all in one box, you may call it a sound bar, that can play a high quality file. The MuSo, for example, is a true high fidelity product.

Well, yes. Exactly. I think. *unknw*

 

[FunkyMonkey]

It's a moot point as I am not getting one, but plenty of professional reviewers sing it's praises as a hifi product.

If I must justify my wishes to the hifi police before I get a positive response, then I will say I aubergine a dedicated multichannel listening room for SACD, Blu Ray, CD, etc.

This is an intended purchase to either go in an open plan kitchen dining area, or a bedroom, and to enable me to to primarily stream via android phone or iPad, or to play DSD files from a suitable device.

 

[The_Lhc]

I will say I aubergine a dedicated multichannel listening room for SACD, Blu Ray, CD, etc.

Do you now? That's..... lovely...

 

[chebby]

If I must justify my wishes to the hifi police before I get a positive response, then I will say I aubergine a dedicated multichannel listening room for SACD, Blu Ray, CD, etc.

It's "mu-so by Naim" NOT "mou-ssaka by Naim".

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Doh. HAVE a dedicated room.

 

[Pedro2]

If I must justify my wishes to the hifi police before I get a positive response, then I will say I aubergine a dedicated multichannel listening room for SACD, Blu Ray, CD, etc.

Thanks Funky,

I've always believed vegetables to be underrated when it comes to sound quality.

*preved*

 

[spiny norman]

I've always believed vegetables to be underrated when it comes to sound quality.

Like these?

 

[Philim]

If I must justify my wishes to the hifi police before I get a positive response, then I will say I aubergine a dedicated multichannel listening room for SACD, Blu Ray, CD, etc.

It's "mu-so by Naim" NOT "mou-ssaka by Naim".

Brilliant lol

 

[manicm]

Why on earth would anyone want to play DSD through a soundbar?

Why would anyone want to play DSD fullstop? As far as I'm concerned DSD exists only to confuse the market and has no lasting significance to PCM bases hi-res audio formats. It's a fad.

 

[spiny norman]

Why would anyone want to play DSD fullstop? As far as I'm concerned DSD exists only to confuse the market and has no lasting significance to PCM bases hi-res audio formats. It's a fad.

And of course anything beyond 16/44.1 PCM is irrelevant anyway, so it's double-doofus-irrelevant. Stick to 128kbps MP3 and we'll all be fine (ignoring the fact some recordings are made in DSD, so what you're playing is the actual raw recording)

 

[BigH]

Why on earth would anyone want to play DSD through a soundbar?

 

[manicm]

Why would anyone want to play DSD fullstop? As far as I'm concerned DSD exists only to confuse the market and has no lasting significance to PCM bases hi-res audio formats. It's a fad.

And of course anything beyond 16/44.1 PCM is irrelevant anyway, so it's double-doofus-irrelevant. Stick to 128kbps MP3 and we'll all be fine (ignoring the fact some recordings are made in DSD, so what you're playing is the actual raw recording)

Yes some recordings may be made in DSD, well you do know SACD is supposed to be DSD don't you? And that's a can of worms. A true DSD recording is a complex affair to get right, and I'll bet there are very few specialist labels which make it worthwhile.

Sony pushes DSD/SACD to hold onto a last vestige of audio prestige. Apple has made ALAC open source, give it up already Sony. No they won't cos that means lost royalties.

SACD has been often derided here, so now DSD is the new hero on the block. The irony, the irony.

 

[spiny norman]

Yes some recordings may be made in DSD, well you do know SACD is supposed to be DSD don't you?

How many SACDs do you know not using DSD encoding?

And that's a can of worms. A true DSD recording is a complex affair to get right, and I'll bet there are very few specialist labels which make it worthwhile.

I'm not sure what point you are struggling to make, but I'm not talking about SACD, but DSD.

Yes, there are some labels making very good DSD recordings, and extremely fine they sound too (no cans or worms involved). Try 2L or the San Francisco Symphony's 'own label' as a start.

Sony pushes DSD/SACD to hold onto a last vestige of audio prestige. Apple has made ALAC open source, give it up already Sony. No they won't cos that means lost royalties.

SACD has been often derided here, so now DSD is the new hero on the block. The irony, the irony

The irony, the irony is that you are comparing Apple Lossless (16/44.1) with DSD, which is like comparing apples with almost any other superior-tasting fruit you care to mention.

 

[manicm]

Yes some recordings may be made in DSD, well you do know SACD is supposed to be DSD don't you?

How many SACDs do you know not using DSD encoding?

And that's a can of worms. A true DSD recording is a complex affair to get right, and I'll bet there are very few specialist labels which make it worthwhile.

I'm not sure what point you are struggling to make, but I'm not talking about SACD, but DSD.

Yes, there are some labels making very good DSD recordings, and extremely fine they sound too (no cans or worms involved). Try 2L or the San Francisco Symphony's 'own label' as a start.

Sony pushes DSD/SACD to hold onto a last vestige of audio prestige. Apple has made ALAC open source, give it up already Sony. No they won't cos that means lost royalties.

SACD has been often derided here, so now DSD is the new hero on the block. The irony, the irony

The irony, the irony is that you are comparing Apple Lossless (16/44.1) with DSD, which is like comparing apples with almost any other superior-tasting fruit you care to mention.

SpinyNorman, let me spell it out for you - SACD employs DSD encoding. So any criticisms of SACD can be levelled at DSD too, and therein lies the irony.

I'm not against hi-res, don't put words in my mouth, I'm just expressing my opinion that DSD is a fad that's just needlessly adding cost to components. I see no real value in it apart from precious few recordings which take full advantage of it.

If I were to buy a streamer, and I will at some point, I'd want to play 192/24 hi-res, but I couldn't give a tweeter's about DSD.

 

[spiny norman]

SpinyNorman, let me spell it out for you - SACD employs DSD encoding.

Yes, I know: I said that.

So any criticisms of SACD can be levelled at DSD too, and therein lies the irony.

I guess you're using 'irony' in the Alanis Morissette sense here, ie to mean whatever you want it to. Otherwise I see no irony whatsoever in your statement.

I'm not against hi-res, don't put words in my mouth

I didn't.

 

[Overdose]

Sony pushes DSD/SACD to hold onto a last vestige of audio prestige. Apple has made ALAC open source, give it up already Sony. No they won't cos that means lost royalties.

This is the crux of the matter and in general, applies to all high res material. It's all about marketing and getting the punter to part with hard cash. It's rather naive to think that it has anything to do with actual desire for better quality music releases.

The superiority of high res material over standard CD resolution lies outside of the theoretical limits according to Nyquist Theorum and that is in an inaudible region of frequencies.

High resolution playback foramts are of no more benefit to a listener than the infra red or ultraviolet performance of a TV is to its viewer.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

For the naysayers:
http://www.exasound.com/Blog/tabid/74/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/164/And-a-surprise-My-favorite-room-at-the-show-exaSound.aspx

 

[Overdose]

For the naysayers: http://www.exasound.com/Blog/tabid/74/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/...

Seriously? That's an anecdotal quote on a manufacturers website.

 

[plastic penguin]

Regardless of naysayers or yaysayers it's all irrelevent. You've decided it isn't quite for you. Right choice, in that case.