Need advice on dealing with retailers.

[Ravey Gravey Davy]

Does that picture bring memories back for you too, Andrew?

Yes – wet Sunday afternoons when the film always seemed to be on.

Sounds familiar- would that also involve a parent or grandparent snoozing through the film in an armchair.

 

[plastic penguin]

And back on topic....

 

[Andrew Everard]

Sadly, I seem to recall it was met by some patrons in much the same way as Aberdonians feel about the outside world; "they ken fine it's there, they just dinnae like it, and they hae nae need for it"...

Indeed, but I get the impression they're coming round to the idea, as long as no-one tries to suggest to them that 'from today, the CD is dead'. Which of course it isn't.

Upcoming reviews include Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC (Awards issue, on sale next week), NAD C446 (November issue) and Naim SuperUniti (December issue).

 

[John Duncan]

And back on topic....

Nah

 

[bigboss]

The thread is waaay off topic :doh:

 

[plastic penguin]

And back on topic....

Nah

Not often I disagree JD. I feel the Teddington Lock slamming down, and I've not even been to the dealers yet.

 

[Andrew Everard]

Not often I disagree JD. I feel the Teddington Lock slamming down, and I've not even been to the dealers yet.

Any such feelings are entirely illusory – having far too much fun. But afraid we may be attempting to bolt the stable door after the horse has locked on this one...

 

[John Duncan]

OK, back on topic: don't buy anything this weekend. Listen, write down the suggestions, think, come back here, discuss.

Go for a second opinion at IF (though tbh I suspect you'll get much the same gear options there). Come round for a cup of tea and a biscuit and a listen to the Uniti/DB1s while you're there.

 

[Ravey Gravey Davy]

And the next topic within a topic

 

[Lee H]

Come round for a cup of tea and a biscuit

Make sure it's a Rich Tea though

 

[Andrew Everard]

And the next topic within a topic

Make sure it's a Rich Tea though

You see? Ask, and ye shall receive...

 

[John Duncan]

Come round for a cup of tea and a biscuit

Make sure it's a Rich Tea though

Where do you think this is, Kingston?

 

[plastic penguin]

OK, back on topic: don't buy anything this weekend. Listen, write down the suggestions, think, come back here, discuss.

Go for a second opinion at IF (though tbh I suspect you'll get much the same gear options there). Come round for a cup of tea and a biscuit and a listen to the Uniti/DB1s while you're there.

Not buying anything this weekend. Listen and learn.

Dunno, maybe IF will have the same kit then may squeeze out little extra discount.

The tea sounds inviting, not sure about the HobNobs (don't start that subject again, PP!!).

You're spot-on. Who really wants to talk about dreary streamers and downloading when a mug of tea and Wallis will suffice?ray: (Sorry Liz, didn't mean that...)

 

[cse]

I am basically in agreement with PP. Although I use a computer to look at the internet, I've no idea what to do when it goes wrong. I don't have wireless, but I do have broadband. I love my HIFI, but it is downstaits from my computer in a separate room. I like the idea of not having loads of CD's hanging about, but despite reading loads of digital threads, I'm not sure that I understand a word of it. Basically, I buy all my music (mostly classical)after reading Gramophone or listening to Radio 3. I also buy Cd's from amazon of music that I used to like in the 70's or 80's. So, I don't download anything at all, and all of the current issues of clasical music seem to be mainly on CD or SACD, especially the recommended ones. I would like to buy an SACD player actually, but I already have a very expensive CD player. So, if I buy a DAC, what could I use it for? Don't have an iphone or ipod either. Thought about a Brennan, but I would still have to buy the CD's and I would expect a drop in sound quality. To sum up, most of the new releases I want, don't appear to be in digital format. Any ideas?

 

[CnoEvil]

I am basically in agreement with PP. Although I use a computer to look at the internet, I've no idea what to do when it goes wrong. I don't have wireless, but I do have broadband. I love my HIFI, but it is downstaits from my computer in a separate room. I like the idea of not having loads of CD's hanging about, but despite reading loads of digital threads, I'm not sure that I understand a word of it. Basically, I buy all my music (mostly classical)after reading Gramophone or listening to Radio 3. I also buy Cd's from amazon of music that I used to like in the 70's or 80's. So, I don't download anything at all, and all of the current issues of clasical music seem to be mainly on CD or SACD, especially the recommended ones. I would like to buy an SACD player actually, but I already have a very expensive CD player. So, if I buy a DAC, what could I use it for? Don't have an iphone or ipod either. Thought about a Brennan, but I would still have to buy the CD's and I would expect a drop in sound quality. To sum up, most of the new releases I want, don't appear to be in digital format. Any ideas?

A little over a year ago, I was in the same boat as well. I am at least as big a technophobe as PP....I hate all things computing, but wanted to go the streaming route and rip all my CDs. I ended up with a Linn DS which my local dealer installed FOC, and showed me how to work it. Once installed, it couldn't be easier to work. For me, the dealer support made all the difference.

 

[chebby]

I am basically in agreement with PP. Although I use a computer to look at the internet, I've no idea what to do when it goes wrong. I don't have wireless, but I do have broadband. I love my HIFI, but it is downstaits from my computer in a separate room. I like the idea of not having loads of CD's hanging about, but despite reading loads of digital threads, I'm not sure that I understand a word of it. Basically, I buy all my music (mostly classical)after reading Gramophone or listening to Radio 3. I also buy Cd's from amazon of music that I used to like in the 70's or 80's. So, I don't download anything at all, and all of the current issues of clasical music seem to be mainly on CD or SACD, especially the recommended ones. I would like to buy an SACD player actually, but I already have a very expensive CD player. So, if I buy a DAC, what could I use it for? Don't have an iphone or ipod either. Thought about a Brennan, but I would still have to buy the CD's and I would expect a drop in sound quality. To sum up, most of the new releases I want, don't appear to be in digital format. Any ideas?

Yes. Stick with what you know and what you like and what you are comfortable with.

PP is only taking 'the leap' because of pressure on space potentially becoming a problem. If you don't have a need or a desire to change then don't.

 

[cse]

A little over a year ago, I was in the same boat as well. I am at least as big a technophobe as PP....I hate all things computing, but wanted to go the streaming route and rip all my CDs. I ended up with a Linn DS which my local dealer installed FOC, and showed me how to work it. Once installed, it couldn't be easier to work. For me, the dealer support made all the difference.[/quote]

I would be interested to know more about the Linn solution. How does the sound quality compare with a high end Cd player. Do you have to still buy all of the Cd's?

 

[plastic penguin]

A little over a year ago, I was in the same boat as well. I am at least as big a technophobe as PP....I hate all things computing, but wanted to go the streaming route and rip all my CDs. I ended up with a Linn DS which my local dealer installed FOC, and showed me how to work it. Once installed, it couldn't be easier to work. For me, the dealer support made all the dif

ference.

I would be interested to know more about the Linn solution. How does the sound quality compare with a high end Cd player. Do you have to still buy all of the Cd's?[/quote]

Apparantly not. It's a very good quality streaming device.

As Chebby mentions, I'm looking at this option purely because a lack of space in our bungalow. Nothing more, nothing less really.

 

[CnoEvil]

A little over a year ago, I was in the same boat as well. I am at least as big a technophobe as PP....I hate all things computing, but wanted to go the streaming route and rip all my CDs. I ended up with a Linn DS which my local dealer installed FOC, and showed me how to work it. Once installed, it couldn't be easier to work. For me, the dealer support made all the difference.

I would be interested to know more about the Linn solution. How does the sound quality compare with a high end Cd player. Do you have to still buy all of the Cd's?[/quote]

It depends on your definition of a highend CDP. Put it this way, the Sneaky is not disgraced as a source in a high end system......see WHF review that I linked to a few posts ago, where it sounded very well on their reference gear. IMO it can match a £2k CDP. I have also heard a Majik DS sound better than a Mark Levenson CDP (through ML amps to Kef Muons).

You can either buy CDs, rip and store them (as hard copy backup) or download the album. It also gives you access to the world of hi-res music (which I think is better, though others disagree).

Most Linn dealers will be happy to give you a demo, so don't take my word as gospel.

 

[cse]

You can either buy CDs, rip and store them (as hard copy backup) or download the album. It also gives you access to the world of hi-res music (which I think is better, though others disagree).

Most of the new classical releases recommened in Gramophone are not available as downloads.

 

[CnoEvil]

You can either buy CDs, rip and store them (as hard copy backup) or download the album. It also gives you access to the world of hi-res music (which I think is better, though others disagree).

Most of the new classical releases recommened in Gramophone are not available as downloads.

Linn Records are an award winning outfit, and all their music is beautifully recorded and available for download (at a variety of bit rates). Linn Radio is also available for free and gives a taster here: http://radio.linnrecords.com/

Naim and B&W also have good music catalogues.

 

[plastic penguin]

You can either buy CDs, rip and store them (as hard copy backup) or download the album. It also gives you access to the world of hi-res music (which I think is better, though others disagree).

Most of the new classical releases recommened in Gramophone are not available as downloads.

Linn Records are an award winning outfit, and all their music is beautifully recorded and available for download (at a variety of bit rates). Linn Radio is also available for free and gives a taster here: http://radio.linnrecords.com/ Naim and B&W also have good music catalogues.

Have to confess I've not heard any Linn stuff before. It'll be interesting to see how they stack up against other makes. I know they've had a honourable reputation - will be interesting.

 

[CnoEvil]

Have to confess I've not heard any Linn stuff before. It'll be interesting to see how they stack up against other makes. I know they've had a honourable reputation - will be interesting.

I have 31 of their 24 Bit recordings, which were given away as a Summer Offer, when I bought the DS. They (24 bit) are better than anything else that I've heard. Provided their "niche music" fits in with your taste, there's little better available.

 

[John Duncan]

Make sure it's a Rich Tea though

Actually, there'd be confusion. Punctuate this sentence:

"Tea Rich Rich Tea Rich"

 

[plastic penguin]

Have to confess I've not heard any Linn stuff before. It'll be interesting to see how they stack up against other makes. I know they've had a honourable reputation - will be interesting.

I have 31 of their 24 Bit recordings, which were given away as a Summer Offer, when I bought the DS. They (24 bit) are better than anything else that I've heard. Provided their "niche music" fits in with your taste, there's little better available.

Forgive my naivety Cno, but thinking about the Linn logically - and after re-reading the link you posted - the Linn has a built-in amp. Given that the amp is redundant, due to the Leema, wouldn't it be more practical - and cheaper - to look at a streamer/storage system without an amp? Or am I missing something here?