I might agree but would tend towards the Hegel / Proac combo which should suggest to the OP that, rather than asking these questions on here, he should be out auditioning whatever he can because it's the bluesy he's going to get a quality system.CnoEvil said:Your two threads really need to be taken together.
FWIW. My opinion is that I don't really like Moon or Naim amps...and that Proac speakers work best with Valve and Class A.
You need to hear the combinations for yourself, but of what you listed, the Hegel/R700 pairing would be my choice.....it mightn't be yours, though.
Ive owned this combination and agree that it is a very good pairing.CnoEvil said:Your two threads really need to be taken together.
FWIW. My opinion is that I don't really like Moon or Naim amps...and that Proac speakers work best with Valve and Class A.
You need to hear the combinations for yourself, but of what you listed, the Hegel/R700 pairing would be my choice.....it mightn't be yours, though.
Good call. *ok*CnoEvil said:Your two threads really need to be taken together.
FWIW. My opinion is that I don't really like Moon or Naim amps...and that Proac speakers work best with Valve and Class A.
You need to hear the combinations for yourself, but of what you listed, the Hegel/R700 pairing would be my choice.....it mightn't be yours, though.
Rick, do you at Musicraft do home demos of say the Naim SuperUniti and Hegel H160/H360? I think I have decide on getting the D20R so when I get them I would be interested in doing a demo with these.MUSICRAFT said:Hi CS93
I've not heard the D20R's however our clients and I have found that KEF and ProAc loudspeakers pair very well with Naim's SuperUniti and Hegel's H160.
Fwiw, I believe that KEF partly use Hegel amplification and ProAc partly use Naim amplification to develop their loudspeakers.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
Hi CS93CS93 said:Rick, do you at Musicraft do home demos of say the Naim SuperUniti and Hegel H160/H360? I think I have decide on getting the D20R so when I get them I would be interested in doing a demo with these.MUSICRAFT said:Hi CS93
I've not heard the D20R's however our clients and I have found that KEF and ProAc loudspeakers pair very well with Naim's SuperUniti and Hegel's H160.
Fwiw, I believe that KEF partly use Hegel amplification and ProAc partly use Naim amplification to develop their loudspeakers.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
As an owner of an hegel h360 id also say a HOME Demo is a must to come to terms with the sound quality. My 360 sounded totally different from home to hifi shop - almost like a different amp.CS93 said:Rick, do you at Musicraft do home demos of say the Naim SuperUniti and Hegel H160/H360? I think I have decide on getting the D20R so when I get them I would be interested in doing a demo with these.MUSICRAFT said:
Hi CS93
I've not heard the D20R's however our clients and I have found that KEF and ProAc loudspeakers pair very well with Naim's SuperUniti and Hegel's H160.
Fwiw, I believe that KEF partly use Hegel amplification and ProAc partly use Naim amplification to develop their loudspeakers.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
Except that you did not hear or even see the H360 before buying.Andrewjvt said:As an owner of an hegel h360 id also say a HOME Demo is a must to come to terms with the sound quality. My 360 sounded totally different from home to hifi shop - almost like a different amp.CS93 said:Rick, do you at Musicraft do home demos of say the Naim SuperUniti and Hegel H160/H360? I think I have decide on getting the D20R so when I get them I would be interested in doing a demo with these.MUSICRAFT said:Hi CS93
I've not heard the D20R's however our clients and I have found that KEF and ProAc loudspeakers pair very well with Naim's SuperUniti and Hegel's H160.
Fwiw, I believe that KEF partly use Hegel amplification and ProAc partly use Naim amplification to develop their loudspeakers.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
A 48 hour weekend as an absolute min or a week will allow you enough time to evaluate the differences in your home between the naim and hegel.
A few hours in hifi shop is not good enough when evaluating equipment of this standard. Think of it as a 5 day test match and not a 20/20
Having already an hegel h160 i knew already what i was buying butMUSICRAFT said:Except that you did not hear or even see the H360 before buying.Andrewjvt said:As an owner of an hegel h360 id also say a HOME Demo is a must to come to terms with the sound quality. My 360 sounded totally different from home to hifi shop - almost like a different amp.CS93 said:Rick, do you at Musicraft do home demos of say the Naim SuperUniti and Hegel H160/H360? I think I have decide on getting the D20R so when I get them I would be interested in doing a demo with these.MUSICRAFT said:
Hi CS93
I've not heard the D20R's however our clients and I have found that KEF and ProAc loudspeakers pair very well with Naim's SuperUniti and Hegel's H160.
Fwiw, I believe that KEF partly use Hegel amplification and ProAc partly use Naim amplification to develop their loudspeakers.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
A 48 hour weekend as an absolute min or a week will allow you enough time to evaluate the differences in your home between the naim and hegel.
A few hours in hifi shop is not good enough when evaluating equipment of this standard. Think of it as a 5 day test match and not a 20/20
Home dems are perfectly fine. In fact to give you an example a Hegel H80 amp/DAC which we recently sold (clients H80/Neat Motive SX-C pictures posted on our FB page yesterday afternoon) was done so on the basis of a home dem.Andrewjvt said:Having already an hegel h160 i knew already what i was buying butMUSICRAFT said:Except that you did not hear or even see the H360 before buying.Andrewjvt said:As an owner of an hegel h360 id also say a HOME Demo is a must to come to terms with the sound quality. My 360 sounded totally different from home to hifi shop - almost like a different amp.CS93 said:Rick, do you at Musicraft do home demos of say the Naim SuperUniti and Hegel H160/H360? I think I have decide on getting the D20R so when I get them I would be interested in doing a demo with these.MUSICRAFT said:Hi CS93
I've not heard the D20R's however our clients and I have found that KEF and ProAc loudspeakers pair very well with Naim's SuperUniti and Hegel's H160.
Fwiw, I believe that KEF partly use Hegel amplification and ProAc partly use Naim amplification to develop their loudspeakers.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
A 48 hour weekend as an absolute min or a week will allow you enough time to evaluate the differences in your home between the naim and hegel.
A few hours in hifi shop is not good enough when evaluating equipment of this standard. Think of it as a 5 day test match and not a 20/20
Are you saying home demo is not a wise idea?
I dont want anyone to make the same mistakes ive made. I dont understand your point. What point are you trying to prove?
Without all the bsMUSICRAFT said:Home dems are perfectly fine. In fact to give you an example a Hegel H80 amp/DAC which we recently sold (clients H80/Neat Motive SX-C pictures posted on our FB page yesterday afternoon) was done so on the basis of a home dem.Andrewjvt said:Having already an hegel h160 i knew already what i was buying butMUSICRAFT said:Except that you did not hear or even see the H360 before buying.Andrewjvt said:As an owner of an hegel h360 id also say a HOME Demo is a must to come to terms with the sound quality. My 360 sounded totally different from home to hifi shop - almost like a different amp.CS93 said:Rick, do you at Musicraft do home demos of say the Naim SuperUniti and Hegel H160/H360? I think I have decide on getting the D20R so when I get them I would be interested in doing a demo with these.MUSICRAFT said:
Hi CS93
I've not heard the D20R's however our clients and I have found that KEF and ProAc loudspeakers pair very well with Naim's SuperUniti and Hegel's H160.
Fwiw, I believe that KEF partly use Hegel amplification and ProAc partly use Naim amplification to develop their loudspeakers.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
A 48 hour weekend as an absolute min or a week will allow you enough time to evaluate the differences in your home between the naim and hegel.
A few hours in hifi shop is not good enough when evaluating equipment of this standard. Think of it as a 5 day test match and not a 20/20
Are you saying home demo is not a wise idea?
I dont want anyone to make the same mistakes ive made. I dont understand your point. What point are you trying to prove?
Let's face it after having a dem of the H160 here in store WITH NON KEF SPEAKERS you changed your mind regarding a home dem of the H160 with your R700's and proceeded to buy the H160.
And yes without wanting to state the obvious you even bought the H360 without even having comparing to a H160.
I understand you very well. It was just a matter of timing and subsquently as a result nowadays your has perspective has to put it mildly altered.
Anyway, you've already made the point.
This is a comedy isn't it?MUSICRAFT said:Hey ace. Defensive? Ooh just listen to you. I hope you didn't put much thought in coming up with this one *biggrin*
Haven't i already said that home dems are ok. I've even given an example a product being sold on this basis. I take it that this particular example stung and as a result your nose is further out of joint. Hence why you're continuing to jump up and down *biggrin*
Beggars belief as to how the H360 sounded different at home - almost like a different amp when you bought it unheard and unseen.
Glad you like active speakers. Whatever next for the ace? At guess i would say that ace finds subwoofers no longer "mucks up the stereo" *biggrin* The rainbow is still proving elusive *biggrin*
You are right to home audition if you have that luxury available, whatever price you pay for your kit. Why shouldn't you if you can? Many do not have this facility available unfortunately.CS93 said:Seems we are going off topic.
i feel a home audition is the only way to test a component especially in my case because I want to try the Hegel and Naim kit with my Proac D20R ( coming in a few weeks). These components cost upwards of £3000 so I feel taking my time is essential.
I originally heard the D20r with Sugden but I want more of a all in one which Naim and Hegel can offer.
Which Sugden did you hear? Did you enjoy the sound?CS93 said:I originally heard the D20r with Sugden but I want more of a all in one which Naim and Hegel can offer.
Hi CS93CS93 said:i feel a home audition is the only way to test a component especially in my case because I want to try the Hegel and Naim kit with my Proac D20R ( coming in a few weeks. These components cost upwards of £3000 so I feel taking my time is essential.
My bets on an A21 SE, and you'd be right about that magic. ;-)CnoEvil said:Which Sugden did you hear? Did you enjoy the sound?CS93 said:I originally heard the D20r with Sugden but I want more of a all in one which Naim and Hegel can offer.
Sugden/Proac is a great match, so be careful that you don't lose the magic....which is what a good system is all about (imo).
My original advice to home audition is still valid even if i never did it myself. There is no one on this forum that can disagree and no amount of discredit can change it because its true. Im sorry if my advice does not suit everyones agenda but heres my run down for you.CS93 said:Seems we are going off topic.
i feel a home audition is the only way to test a component especially in my case because I want to try the Hegel and Naim kit with my Proac D20R ( coming in a few weeks). These components cost upwards of £3000 so I feel taking my time is essential.
I originally heard the D20r with Sugden but I want more of a all in one which Naim and Hegel can offer.
Nothing in my last post to the op even slightly represents a vendetta only sound advise regarding hegel. Advise that gives the qualities of the hegel amp.MUSICRAFT said:
Hi Al ears
Unfortunately so. Sadly the result of an ongoing vendetta against me. Some of the points in the latest post despite the numerous editing over two hours or so in the early hours of the morning still don't stack up. But hey i'll leave this there as fortunately over the last four months a growing number of people have already seen right through. And as someone said to me very recently the best thing is not to lower yourself and leave him to live with it.
I will of course try my best and i apologise to the OP, you and the other Forum members and guests who are not involved. I also want to take this opportunity to thank those who have contacted me.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft