Marantz PM6007

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Hi, I have Marantz PM6007 from December 2022 that has an ESS Sabre 9010 DAC rather than the widely advertised AKM 4490 DAC. I am very happy about the sound and how Marantz fits to my vintage speakers. Anyway, I wandered has anyone or What Hi-Fi done a comparison test between the two dacs built in Marantz PM6007 (before and after AKM factory fire in October 2020)? I know that there is a different sound signature between these manufacturers.

 

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I do hope that this post isn't going to end up with some unsolicited link in it...

 

[Drugo]

Save an extra hundred and get the audiolab.

For more or less the same money you can get the audiolab 600a, which is a stunning amp compared to the just decent marantz pm 6006

Hi
may i know where? Here in Europe the audiolab does cost 937€ and marantz
and may i know if the uk version is the european market version?
thanks

 

[odub1]

I much prefer the sound of marantz - (lush, smooth and punchy), not audiolab with its chifi sound signature... A true upgrade would be getting a used arcam sa-10. On a more negative note though, one thing that really bothers me about marantz is they give more I/o features to the US model, namely the 3.5 trigger input is missing unless you have the US model. This is a huge problem because an old school (great sounding) amp design needs an external streamer these days... and without the trigger in, you have to constantly use the big chunky marantz remote to turn it on etc when the competition have their dedicated smart apps with spotify connect and boom! Where's the 3.5mm trigger in marantz? Do you want me to get a HEOS system? You've got to be kidding.

 

[Drugo]

I much prefer the sound of marantz - (lush, smooth and punchy), not audiolab with its chifi sound signature... A true upgrade would be getting a used arcam sa-10. On a more negative note though, one thing that really bothers me about marantz is they give more I/o features to the US model, namely the 3.5 trigger input is missing unless you have the US model. This is a huge problem because an old school (great sounding) amp design needs an external streamer these days... and without the trigger in, you have to constantly use the big chunky marantz remote to turn it on etc when the competition have their dedicated smart apps with spotify connect and boom! Where's the 3.5mm trigger in marantz? Do you want me to get a HEOS system? You've got to be kidding.

hi
may i ask you the meaning of?

not audiolab with its chifi sound signature...

well i have tried both , about marantz i don't like knobs volume and selector , they look very cheap and the front platic borders
about the sound ,well it does depend a lot of the speakers , some do sound so better with denon others with marantz
marantz with some speakers does sound for my ears to "flat" ,"less musical" with silk trebles and weak bass , less "deep" ,with some other speakers sound more "musical"
i guess they are very similar products , i had both for 1 month , seems they have changed only the Eq that's all
thanks

 

[odub1]

hi
may i ask you the meaning of?

well i have tried both , about marantz i don't like knobs volume and selector , they look very cheap and the front platic borders
about the sound ,well it does depend a lot of the speakers , some do sound so better with denon others with marantz
marantz with some speakers does sound for my ears to "flat" ,"less musical" with silk trebles and weak bass , less "deep" ,with some other speakers sound more "musical"
i guess they are very similar products , i had both for 1 month , seems they have changed only the Eq that's all
thanks

I have to eat my words here because I demoed the Audiolab 7000a yesterday and I loved it. Yes, the speakers I’m using are wharfedale diamond 225. I only thought marantz sounded warm because directly compared my as500 Yamaha to my pm6005 and thought the Yamaha was too bright and nasty up top with metallic timbre. Horrible amp imo…

 

[Drugo]

I have to eat my words here because I demoed the Audiolab 7000a yesterday and I loved it. Yes, the speakers I’m using are wharfedale diamond 225. I only thought marantz sounded warm because directly compared my as500 Yamaha to my pm6005 and thought the Yamaha was too bright and nasty up top with metallic timbre. Horrible amp imo…

hi
in short the audiolab 7000a is your favorite amp ,isn't ?
is it very neautral or the most neutral ?
here in Eurpe is about €1,449.00 , marantz about 400€ there is a huge differente price
I wanted an audiolab cd player but they are so expansive , i don't know their mechanics if there are rock solid
amazing amp but made in China for €1,449.00
thanks

 

[odub1]

hi
in short the audiolab 7000a is your favorite amp ,isn't ?
is it very neautral or the most neutral ?
here in Eurpe is about €1,449.00 , marantz about 400€ there is a huge differente price
I wanted an audiolab cd player but they are so expansive , i don't know their mechanics if there are rock solid
amazing amp but made in China for €1,449.00
thanks

I found the Audiolab a bit dry and clinical but I liked its amazing authenticity and timing. For me I have wharfedale speakers that are very forgiving so that is the only reason I took the risk. Good point the price difference is huge, however I managed to find 8300a for £480 on eBay in UK. Apparently it sounds a bit different to 7000a and has no digital inputs, which for me is no problem but for you it could be… I will let you know my thoughts about the 8300a. Another bit less expensive amp I saw on hifishark in Europe - Slovakia is the marantz mm7025 for like €700 euros. I would consider that and use your old integrated as a pre-amp - especially if it’s marantz because you can connect the two together with the marantz “remote” I/o.

 

[Drugo]

I found the Audiolab a bit dry and clinical but I liked its amazing authenticity and timing. For me I have wharfedale speakers that are very forgiving so that is the only reason I took the risk. Good point the price difference is huge, however I managed to find 8300a for £480 on eBay in UK. Apparently it sounds a bit different to 7000a and has no digital inputs, which for me is no problem but for you it could be… I will let you know my thoughts about the 8300a. Another bit less expensive amp I saw on hifishark in Europe - Slovakia is the marantz mm7025 for like €700 euros. I would consider that and use your old integrated as a pre-amp - especially if it’s marantz because you can connect the two together with the marantz “remote” I/o.

hi
well good to know
may I know if you use amazon for "returned product" ?
well good to know about hifishark in Europe , i'm just scared to order in Uk , for brexit , some painfull stories , would like to know trusty european online seller with "returned product"?
outside UK , Usa could be even scarry
thanks for the

my thoughts about the 8300a

 

[odub1]

hi
well good to know
may I know if you use amazon for "returned product" ?
well good to know about hifishark in Europe , i'm just scared to order in Uk , for brexit , some painfull stories , would like to know trusty european online seller with "returned product"?
outside UK , Usa could be even scarry
thanks for the

I tried the Audiolab 8300a yesterday and am still listening to it now… which is a good sign! It is like I’ve never heard my songs played with so much detail and it still manages to sound fun! If you are not sure what you want though, I’d get a used marantz pm8005 or similar because it is basically the same as the 8300a but with more character, bass extension and is made in Japan. I am thinking about for 40% of the songs would need a subwoofer… that’s not a negative point on the audiolab, because choosing the right amp is all about compromises, and I like this flavour which is in contrast to my other setup with an arcam sa30.

To be honest you need to watch this: Marantz vs audiolab

 

[Drugo]

I tried the Audiolab 8300a yesterday and am still listening to it now… which is a good sign! It is like I’ve never heard my songs played with so much detail and it still manages to sound fun! If you are not sure what you want though, I’d get a used marantz pm8005 or similar because it is basically the same as the 8300a but with more character, bass extension and is made in Japan. I am thinking about for 40% of the songs would need a subwoofer… that’s not a negative point on the audiolab, because choosing the right amp is all about compromises, and I like this flavour which is in contrast to my other setup with an arcam sa30.

To be honest you need to watch this: Marantz vs audiolab

hi
well good to know it
about marantz many of them do sound like denon with less bass e silk trebles but i don't like some plastic on the frontal and cheap knobs
about the audiolab i don't like the power button on the back
about denon what do you think? they are really great amps ,with lots of history
thanks

 

[odub1]

hi
well good to know it
about marantz many of them do sound like denon with less bass e silk trebles but i don't like some plastic on the frontal and cheap knobs
about the audiolab i don't like the power button on the back
about denon what do you think? they are really great amps ,with lots of history
thanks

Never tried Denon, but I think they have partnered with Marantz for a long time so I wouldn’t expect them to have metal knobs on cheaper gear. I think if you want that amazing build quality you need to get an Audio Analogue (made in Italy), and possibly drive there to get one or risk getting scammed… My dad managed to find a Polish dealer who sells European stuff for half price… I’m not sure I’m allowed to tell you on here who he is but just look out for lone internet dealers who undercut the Hifi retail store market, because it’s actually the European (and other Western) dealer networks who literally double the price of European gear more than it is the manufacturing R&D and labour costs… 🤦

 

[Drugo]

Never tried Denon, but I think they have partnered with Marantz for a long time so I wouldn’t expect them to have metal knobs on cheaper gear. I think if you want that amazing build quality you need to get an Audio Analogue (made in Italy), and possibly drive there to get one or risk getting scammed… My dad managed to find a Polish dealer who sells European stuff for half price… I’m not sure I’m allowed to tell you on here who he is but just look out for lone internet dealers who undercut the Hifi retail store market, because it’s actually the European (and other Western) dealer networks who literally double the price of European gear more than it is the manufacturing R&D and labour costs… 🤦

hi
I have tried Marantz pm8005 and for my ears it does sound bit better than Marantz PM6007 ,but i'm talking about 1 little step better not worth for the money,with several speakers
seems there is a little step betweem them , don't you think ?
thansk

 

[odub1]

I haven’t heard the pm8005 just yet but I assumed it would be much much better than the 6007 based on how close the 8005 is to the audiolab 8300a (see video I linked).

That’s nice to know because I know my pm6005 is more than a couple steps lower than my audiolab 8300a, but it could be because my wharfedale speakers are rated 120W 😂 so they were missing current output that maybe the newer pm6007 model has.

hi
I have tried Marantz pm8005 and for my ears it does sound bit better than Marantz PM6007 ,but i'm talking about 1 little step better not worth for the money,with several speakers
seems there is a little step betweem them , don't you think ?
thansk

I can tell you that for power hungry wharfedale speakers, going to an 80W amp from a 50W (or thereabouts) is very very worth it, but possibly the Audiolab 8300a is worth a demo in case it’s a lot better than the 8005?? I doubt it because the guy in the video seems to think they’re on the same level as each other. I can tell you the physical look of the amp when you get up and personal is actually very nice (on the Audiolab). The knobs feel metal too (I’m not 100%), but they do feel looser than on the marantz.

 

[jetblack9090]

I will add that I actually just picked up the 6007 and it's definitely a Marantz.

Over the years I've had the 8006 and the 6005 and the 5005 as well as a smattering of vintage Marantz and the company definitely has a house sound for sure.

In my opinion all of their amplifiers share that same Sonic signature, obviously that can be a good thing and a bad thing. If people are used to a certain brand and their entry-level amplifier sounds one way and their more expensive one sounds another, then of course they'll be disappointed with Marantz thinking what the heck are they getting for their money.

In my opinion that certainly is a logical conclusion however I found with the 5005 and the 8006 when I had them, I had them at the same time. To me they sounded remarkably similar, however what I found was the 8006 was more mature sounding and more refined. Kind of like the 5005 was a rowdy teenager and the 8006 was that same teenager 25 years later. More mature with their life more secure and certainly more refined.

So that said it could be argued that getting the entry level Marantz amplifier is the way to go because you're effectively getting the same sound quality and saving a whole lot of money in the process. I personally think that the more expensive amplifiers like the 8006 are definitely worth their asking price, for the main reason that they are much better built, truly.

If you've ever had the 5005 or the 6005 or of course the new 6007, you'll know that the knobs can wiggle and the jacks can wiggle and The binding post can wiggle and the amp kind of rattles around a little bit. I mean obviously it's functional and typically works well and performs admirably, however as soon as you get something like the 8006 or the new er model 40 or model 30, all of which are made in Japan, you can instantly tell that everything has a much more solid and precise tactility to it and solidity to the whole operation of the amplifier you can definitely tell where your money's going.

Another thing to consider with the more expensive amplifiers from Marantz is the fact that they typically have more features and ins and outs versus the more budget-friendly options. Take the 8006 for example, it has both a pre-out and a power amp in, which none of the more inexpensive amplifiers feature. While that is a feature that not everybody will use or care to use, I find it is nice to have and in the future should you wish to switch things up with a new pre-amplifier or more than likely a new power amp, you certainly can and the Marantz will grow with your system and your aspirations.

Anyway just sharing my advice and experience with Marantz amplifiers and I always enjoy reading a good conversation.

 

[Drugo]

I will add that I actually just picked up the 6007 and it's definitely a Marantz.



In my opinion that certainly is a logical conclusion however I found with the 5005 and the 8006 when I had them, I had them at the same time. To me they sounded remarkably similar, however what I found was the 8006 was more mature sounding and more refined. Kind of like the 5005 was a rowdy teenager and the 8006 was that same teenager 25 years later. More mature with their life more secure and certainly more refined.

So that said it could be argued that getting the entry level Marantz amplifier is the way to go because you're effectively getting the same sound quality and saving a whole lot of money in the process. I personally think that the more expensive amplifiers like the 8006 are definitely worth their asking price, for the main reason that they are much better built, truly.

If you've ever had the 5005 or the 6005 or of course the new 6007, you'll know that the knobs can wiggle and the jacks can wiggle and The binding post can wiggle and the amp kind of rattles around a little bit. I mean obviously it's functional and typically works well and performs admirably, however as soon as you get something like the 8006 or the new er model 40 or model 30, all of which are made in Japan, you can instantly tell that everything has a much more solid and precise tactility to it and solidity to the whole operation of the amplifier you can definitely tell where your money's going.


Anyway just sharing my advice and experience with Marantz amplifiers and I always enjoy reading a good conversation.

Hi jetblack9090

Anyway just sharing my advice and experience with Marantz amplifiers and I always enjoy reading a good conversation.

more than sharing it's one of the best review i have read about the entry level 6007
I had some models to perform some tests like MODEL 50 (made in Vietanam ) ,MODEL 40n (made in Japan 2700€) , PM7000n (made in Vietanam ) ,Marantz PM8003 (made in China) and the entry level , and they do sound very close , i can hear some tiny improvements steps between them , about audio quality with different very good speakers
I would buy the cheap one (the entry level ) and some good or very good speakers , if i should give an advise to a friend
what i haven't liked about the entry level are the knobs (volume , selector , treble ,bass,balance ) and the power button is really ugly , really very cheap , in the same family the other brand does seem to use much better knobs , less plastic
the only complaint is about the cheap knobs , but i don't know if marantz will care about it , let's say with a better build quality could be really a great amp
about the made in Japan and the money for a better quality , i agree totally at 100% , but they are very expansive , i mean in the '90 they were made in Japan with a great quality and not so expansive
about PM8006 (made in Japan 1,200€ ) really great amp , do you remember if it does own a plastic power button and cheap volume /selector/treble/bass/balance knobs ?
thanks , sorry for my bad english , reallly appreciate it

 

[gasolin]

For more or less the same money you can get the audiolab 600a, which is a stunning amp compared to the just decent marantz pm 6006

in 2024 you can not at all get a an audiolab 6000a for less than a marantz pm6007 it's costs £340 or €402 in uk a 6000a is £649 in 2024 makes the Marantz pm 6007 a much better, buy value for money then Audiolab 6000a

Audiolab 6000a or a Marantz pm 6007 + a pair of wharfedale dianomd 12.2 or mission lx 3 for the same price or less, not a difficult choice

 

[gasolin]

I haven’t heard the pm8005 just yet but I assumed it would be much much better than the 6007 based on how close the 8005 is to the audiolab 8300a (see video I linked).

Isn't a 8005 from the same periode,time as the 6005 ?

The 6007 is improved so it should almost sound as good as the 8005 or so close that you buy the one that is cheapest or the 8005 if you need the extra power