hi max im sorry, i just thought the way the thread had gone, was that for the next couple of months you would be saving for the br centre and i just said that the old ma bronze centre were cheap and that it could stop the pain will saving. I really want a good sub but money is tight and i keep buying things like s/hand alpha 9 amp and now dac magic.Just to be carefull the rs sub is about £350 and the br sub is not alot cheaper.