not even a batman fan but got it on blu-ray and must say its the best one of them all,fully enjoyed it
just watched dark night
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Watched it twice now, solo and with the gf on sunday. It's v good film with one marvellous performance from Heath. No idea how any Joker, if he ever returns , can follow that. Oooooh and it's DARK, I like that.....a lot.
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And I noticed IMAX scenes 2nd time around that I never did on first viewing. Must have been totally engrossed first time around!!
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And I noticed IMAX scenes 2nd time around that I never did on first viewing. Must have been totally engrossed first time around!!
We've got a shedload of stuff on the Humax we are trying to watch so we can delete it to free up some space for xmas recording. So I still haven't got round to seeing TDK.
I heard on the news 3 days ago that the Riddler is in the next batman.........played by EDDIE MURPHY! It must have been a wind up. That surely cant be true...can it? What could be worse! Bringing back arnie as Mr freeze?!
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I don't think the new Batman films follow on from the films by Burton / Schumacher - they're completely new and have their own storylines. So The Joker being killed in the original Batman means nothing in this series.
TDK Spoiler Alert
Two Face being killed in TDK though means I don't think he'll be back. I hope not anyway - that would kind of ruin what they've got going so far.
TDK Spoiler Alert
Two Face being killed in TDK though means I don't think he'll be back. I hope not anyway - that would kind of ruin what they've got going so far.
Nevermind about who may or may not follow in Leger's footsteps as the Joker but granted as good as he was there was one who preceded him back in 1989 namely Jack Nicholson who's portrayal as the Joker was sublime and a 100 times more superior to that of Ledger's comparatively weaker stab at the role.
However no doubt Hollywood will still feel duty bound to perhaps award him a posthumous Oscar for his efforts which in no way touches Nicholson
The 1989 original too was much more entertaining than this 2008 re incarnation
However no doubt Hollywood will still feel duty bound to perhaps award him a posthumous Oscar for his efforts which in no way touches Nicholson
The 1989 original too was much more entertaining than this 2008 re incarnation
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Well, I disagree. Nicholson's performance was great, Ledger's performance was sublime. I can't even start to describe how good Ledger's performance was. And I can't even begin to understand how anyone can prefer the original Batman films compared to Batman Begins / The Dark Knight. Maybe we just differ on our expectation of how Batman should be portrayed.
All in my opinion of course.
All in my opinion of course.
professorhat:Well, I disagree. Nicholson's performance was great, Ledger's performance was sublime. I can't even start to describe how good Ledger's performance was. And I can't even begin to understand how anyone can prefer the original Batman films compared to Batman Begins / The Dark Knight. Maybe we just differ on our expectation of how Batman should be portrayed.
All in my opinion of course.
I'm with you Prof. The original Burton 'Batman' was a good film no doubt, but still comic-book 'camp'. The new ones are much more visceral, and yes, 'Realistic' (as realistic as such a film can be of course). It's like comparing Bond to Bourne. Both great, but you get more sense of reality from one than the other. I like reality, unless I'm watching L.O.T.R of course.
All in my opinion of course.
I'm with you Prof. The original Burton 'Batman' was a good film no doubt, but still comic-book 'camp'. The new ones are much more visceral, and yes, 'Realistic' (as realistic as such a film can be of course). It's like comparing Bond to Bourne. Both great, but you get more sense of reality from one than the other. I like reality, unless I'm watching L.O.T.R of course.
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I haven't seen Dark Knight yet, although I found Batman Begins quite boring.
To be honest, when I watch a superhero movie I want to see the hero fight with the villain! I though Tim Burton's explanation of how Batman began was enough. Let's be honest - these are pretty 2-dimensional (!) comicbook characters, notwithstanding the attempts to make them darker and more serious in 'graphic novels'.
On a technical note, I though Batman Begins had too many close-ups/fast editing in a lot of the action scenes, which just made them a bit too inarticulate for me. Is Dark Knight the same?
My other complaint about most superhero films is the lack of a decent theme - Tim Burton had Danny Elfman's great Batman theme, and Superman has John Williams' music, but most others (Spiderman, X-Men, Batman Begins) just have a fairly generic soundtrack, that sounds okay whilst you're watching the film but is otherwise forgettable. I mean, you don't get the thrill of hearing Elfman's or Williams' themes when the hero appears ...
As for whether Heath Ledger is better than Jack Nicholson, not having seen the film yet I don't know. But Jack Nicholson has made some truly great films (and won 3 Oscars) ...
To be honest, when I watch a superhero movie I want to see the hero fight with the villain! I though Tim Burton's explanation of how Batman began was enough. Let's be honest - these are pretty 2-dimensional (!) comicbook characters, notwithstanding the attempts to make them darker and more serious in 'graphic novels'.
On a technical note, I though Batman Begins had too many close-ups/fast editing in a lot of the action scenes, which just made them a bit too inarticulate for me. Is Dark Knight the same?
My other complaint about most superhero films is the lack of a decent theme - Tim Burton had Danny Elfman's great Batman theme, and Superman has John Williams' music, but most others (Spiderman, X-Men, Batman Begins) just have a fairly generic soundtrack, that sounds okay whilst you're watching the film but is otherwise forgettable. I mean, you don't get the thrill of hearing Elfman's or Williams' themes when the hero appears ...
As for whether Heath Ledger is better than Jack Nicholson, not having seen the film yet I don't know. But Jack Nicholson has made some truly great films (and won 3 Oscars) ...
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Not sure the last paragraph means anything - I'm sure the same was true with other established actors before Nicholson won his first Oscar. Soundtrack to The Dark Knight is fantastic (and is now a WHF test disc it would seem judging by the number of reviews I've read where it's mentioned). I'm pretty sure Hans Zimmer is one of the great composers of our time (by my reckoning any way, he's just a lil bit better than Danny Elfman. Maybe that's just me...).
Again, I think it's just a difference of opinion on how Batman should be portrayed. I'm very much in favour of the Dark Knight, and therefore his villians must be even darker still. Burton's films didn't capture that for me. Nolan's films are bang on the money.
Again, I think it's just a difference of opinion on how Batman should be portrayed. I'm very much in favour of the Dark Knight, and therefore his villians must be even darker still. Burton's films didn't capture that for me. Nolan's films are bang on the money.
ElectroMan:
I haven't seen Dark Knight yet, although I found Batman Begins quite boring.
To be honest, when I watch a superhero movie I want to see the hero fight with the villain! ÿ I though Tim Burton's explanation of how Batman began was enough.ÿÿ Let's be honest - these are pretty 2-dimensional (!) comicbook characters, notwithstanding the attempts to make them darker and more serious in 'graphic novels'.
On a technical note, I though Batman Begins had too many close-ups/fast editing in a lot of the action scenes, which just made them a bit too inarticulate for me. ÿÿ Is Dark Knight the same?
My other complaint about most superheroÿ films is the lack of a decent theme - Tim Burton had Danny Elfman's great Batman theme, and Superman has John Williams' music, but most others (Spiderman, X-Men, Batman Begins) just have a fairly generic soundtrack, that sounds okay whilst you're watching the film but is otherwise forgettable.ÿÿ I mean, you don't get the thrill of hearing Elfman's or Williams' themes when the hero appears ...
As for whether Heath Ledger is better than Jack Nicholson, not having seen the film yet I don't know. ÿ But Jack Nicholson has made some truly great films (and won 3 Oscars) ...ÿ
Seems ludicrously predudicial considering you haven't seen the film?
Tim Burton's concepts would not be accepted by the industry today unfortunately. What Nolan is doing is reflecting on todays society, he's doing a great job.ÿ
I haven't seen Dark Knight yet, although I found Batman Begins quite boring.
To be honest, when I watch a superhero movie I want to see the hero fight with the villain! ÿ I though Tim Burton's explanation of how Batman began was enough.ÿÿ Let's be honest - these are pretty 2-dimensional (!) comicbook characters, notwithstanding the attempts to make them darker and more serious in 'graphic novels'.
On a technical note, I though Batman Begins had too many close-ups/fast editing in a lot of the action scenes, which just made them a bit too inarticulate for me. ÿÿ Is Dark Knight the same?
My other complaint about most superheroÿ films is the lack of a decent theme - Tim Burton had Danny Elfman's great Batman theme, and Superman has John Williams' music, but most others (Spiderman, X-Men, Batman Begins) just have a fairly generic soundtrack, that sounds okay whilst you're watching the film but is otherwise forgettable.ÿÿ I mean, you don't get the thrill of hearing Elfman's or Williams' themes when the hero appears ...
As for whether Heath Ledger is better than Jack Nicholson, not having seen the film yet I don't know. ÿ But Jack Nicholson has made some truly great films (and won 3 Oscars) ...ÿ
Seems ludicrously predudicial considering you haven't seen the film?
Tim Burton's concepts would not be accepted by the industry today unfortunately. What Nolan is doing is reflecting on todays society, he's doing a great job.ÿ
I loved ...Begins.
However, i think i have an attention span problem, as TDK is just so loooooong! I've seen it a handfull of times now and keep thinking "this is the bit where...oh no...theres 30 mins before that bit yet".
I really want to love it, and ledger's performace is very good indeed, and i like what nolan is doing, but...but...loooooong...
And i so want to love it!
incidentally, some of the stars signed up for 3 films years ago, tho AFAIK nothiong is known about a sequel yet. I think the original intention was to have the joker in it, but ill getr huffy if they do that now (and mr nolan wouldnt want that, eh?). However, there are rumours that the news reader - Anthony Michael Hall - will become the riddler. Having him know batmans identity from the guy in TDK and batman being on the run and trying to silencde the riddler could work, imo...
However, i think i have an attention span problem, as TDK is just so loooooong! I've seen it a handfull of times now and keep thinking "this is the bit where...oh no...theres 30 mins before that bit yet".
I really want to love it, and ledger's performace is very good indeed, and i like what nolan is doing, but...but...loooooong...
And i so want to love it!
incidentally, some of the stars signed up for 3 films years ago, tho AFAIK nothiong is known about a sequel yet. I think the original intention was to have the joker in it, but ill getr huffy if they do that now (and mr nolan wouldnt want that, eh?). However, there are rumours that the news reader - Anthony Michael Hall - will become the riddler. Having him know batmans identity from the guy in TDK and batman being on the run and trying to silencde the riddler could work, imo...
Hi,
SPOILER ALERT (again)
If 2 Face cannot appear in a future film, it's strange that they have not developed the character more in TDK. To have his disfigurement highlighted and then have him only seek revenge on those who he thought were at fault seems a waste of a future movie to me.
Whilst Batman Begins & T.D.K. do not follow on from the original Burton & Schumacher films each film is a story in it's own right. Did anyone actually declare 2F as being dead? We saw him lying there, saw an assembled group talk about the demise of Harvey Dent, but that could be a play on words in the same vein as "Darth Vader killed your father" actually meaning the man was killed but the evil survived...
Whatever happens I hope it doesn't go back to the 'camp' that was still evident in Burton's & more so Schumachers efforts.
Cheers,
Cofnchtr.
SPOILER ALERT (again)
If 2 Face cannot appear in a future film, it's strange that they have not developed the character more in TDK. To have his disfigurement highlighted and then have him only seek revenge on those who he thought were at fault seems a waste of a future movie to me.
Whilst Batman Begins & T.D.K. do not follow on from the original Burton & Schumacher films each film is a story in it's own right. Did anyone actually declare 2F as being dead? We saw him lying there, saw an assembled group talk about the demise of Harvey Dent, but that could be a play on words in the same vein as "Darth Vader killed your father" actually meaning the man was killed but the evil survived...
Whatever happens I hope it doesn't go back to the 'camp' that was still evident in Burton's & more so Schumachers efforts.
Cheers,
Cofnchtr.
Cofnchtr:Hi,
SPOILER ALERT (again)
If 2 Face cannot appear in a future film, it's strange that they have not developed the character more in TDK. To have his disfigurement highlighted and then have him only seek revenge on those who he thought were at fault seems a waste of a future movie to me.
Whilst Batman Begins & T.D.K. do not follow on from the original Burton & Schumacher films each film is a story in it's own right. Did anyone actually declare 2F as being dead? We saw him lying there, saw an assembled group talk about the demise of Harvey Dent, but that could be a play on words in the same vein as "Darth Vader killed your father" actually meaning the man was killed but the evil survived...
Whatever happens I hope it doesn't go back to the 'camp' that was still evident in Burton's & more so Schumachers efforts.
Cheers,
Cofnchtr.
As has been pointed out, realism is a relative concept with comic book films, but im afraid i think it would push it if dent was still alive and still managing the pain of his injuries perfectly well - i think they went too far with the face too.
because ive spent too much time on the imdb, i think what nolan has done is consolidate various stories from the comics to create 1 story the comic geeks can be happy with. If you look into things like The Long Halloween you should see what i mean. he also said before it came out that he hoped he'd made sometyhig that could stand on its own and didnt necasarily need a sequel.
of course, if the money men have anything to do with it, i think there will be one, and i dont necassarily think itll suck, but i sort of hope they have the decency to leave it.
having said that, as to your last sentence, i think thats unlikely with nolan on board, and there are sequel ideas that could work.
SPOILER ALERT (again)
If 2 Face cannot appear in a future film, it's strange that they have not developed the character more in TDK. To have his disfigurement highlighted and then have him only seek revenge on those who he thought were at fault seems a waste of a future movie to me.
Whilst Batman Begins & T.D.K. do not follow on from the original Burton & Schumacher films each film is a story in it's own right. Did anyone actually declare 2F as being dead? We saw him lying there, saw an assembled group talk about the demise of Harvey Dent, but that could be a play on words in the same vein as "Darth Vader killed your father" actually meaning the man was killed but the evil survived...
Whatever happens I hope it doesn't go back to the 'camp' that was still evident in Burton's & more so Schumachers efforts.
Cheers,
Cofnchtr.
As has been pointed out, realism is a relative concept with comic book films, but im afraid i think it would push it if dent was still alive and still managing the pain of his injuries perfectly well - i think they went too far with the face too.
because ive spent too much time on the imdb, i think what nolan has done is consolidate various stories from the comics to create 1 story the comic geeks can be happy with. If you look into things like The Long Halloween you should see what i mean. he also said before it came out that he hoped he'd made sometyhig that could stand on its own and didnt necasarily need a sequel.
of course, if the money men have anything to do with it, i think there will be one, and i dont necassarily think itll suck, but i sort of hope they have the decency to leave it.
having said that, as to your last sentence, i think thats unlikely with nolan on board, and there are sequel ideas that could work.
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Octopo:ElectroMan:
I haven't seen Dark Knight yet, although I found Batman Begins quite boring.
To be honest, when I watch a superhero movie I want to see the hero fight with the villain! I though Tim Burton's explanation of how Batman began was enough. Let's be honest - these are pretty 2-dimensional (!) comicbook characters, notwithstanding the attempts to make them darker and more serious in 'graphic novels'.
On a technical note, I though Batman Begins had too many close-ups/fast editing in a lot of the action scenes, which just made them a bit too inarticulate for me. Is Dark Knight the same?
My other complaint about most superhero films is the lack of a decent theme - Tim Burton had Danny Elfman's great Batman theme, and Superman has John Williams' music, but most others (Spiderman, X-Men, Batman Begins) just have a fairly generic soundtrack, that sounds okay whilst you're watching the film but is otherwise forgettable. I mean, you don't get the thrill of hearing Elfman's or Williams' themes when the hero appears ...
As for whether Heath Ledger is better than Jack Nicholson, not having seen the film yet I don't know. But Jack Nicholson has made some truly great films (and won 3 Oscars) ...
Seems ludicrously predudicial considering you haven't seen the film?
Tim Burton's concepts would not be accepted by the industry today unfortunately. What Nolan is doing is reflecting on todays society, he's doing a great job.
Not sure what you mean by 'ludicrously predudicial', as I did say I don't know how good Heath Ledger is. I meant that if the film IS like Batman Begins then I probably won't enjoy it very much.
And Hans Zimmer is a good composer - but does The Dark Knight have a memorable theme?
Anyway, I intend to watch it soon so my opinion may change totally!
I haven't seen Dark Knight yet, although I found Batman Begins quite boring.
To be honest, when I watch a superhero movie I want to see the hero fight with the villain! I though Tim Burton's explanation of how Batman began was enough. Let's be honest - these are pretty 2-dimensional (!) comicbook characters, notwithstanding the attempts to make them darker and more serious in 'graphic novels'.
On a technical note, I though Batman Begins had too many close-ups/fast editing in a lot of the action scenes, which just made them a bit too inarticulate for me. Is Dark Knight the same?
My other complaint about most superhero films is the lack of a decent theme - Tim Burton had Danny Elfman's great Batman theme, and Superman has John Williams' music, but most others (Spiderman, X-Men, Batman Begins) just have a fairly generic soundtrack, that sounds okay whilst you're watching the film but is otherwise forgettable. I mean, you don't get the thrill of hearing Elfman's or Williams' themes when the hero appears ...
As for whether Heath Ledger is better than Jack Nicholson, not having seen the film yet I don't know. But Jack Nicholson has made some truly great films (and won 3 Oscars) ...
Seems ludicrously predudicial considering you haven't seen the film?
Tim Burton's concepts would not be accepted by the industry today unfortunately. What Nolan is doing is reflecting on todays society, he's doing a great job.
Not sure what you mean by 'ludicrously predudicial', as I did say I don't know how good Heath Ledger is. I meant that if the film IS like Batman Begins then I probably won't enjoy it very much.
And Hans Zimmer is a good composer - but does The Dark Knight have a memorable theme?
Anyway, I intend to watch it soon so my opinion may change totally!
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