Ever since I got my MA Apex speakers, their look has been moaned about by my better half. As we are decorating our lounge I finally accepted defeat and hunted around for some less is more speakers. After hours of research, I gambled on some in wall speakers from a US company, Proficient Audio. I gathered that they couldnt be terrible and will at least look ok! Well, they were installed today - not easy and that's with a pro doing it and not me! The results have shocked me! They are a lot better than the Apex! I've got a Yamaha A3010 arriving soon so this should improve again. For the record, Stone Audio gave me a great deal for the W690 speakers and they were cheaper than the MA sats too.