Is it easier to spend money on hifi than music

[Freddy58]

Yoda would say "Choice is the advocate of discontent" *cray2*

No he wouldn't. He would say, "Advocate of the discontent, choice is". *smile*

Yeah well, I ain't no Jedi *biggrin* The Force is strong with you *good*

Oops, With you The Force strong is

Nope, that ain't right either.... Strong with you, The Force is

 

[splasher]

I find being young helps.

Most modern music is cr@p but luckily for me I can regularly descover 'new' music from the 60's and 70's which is totally new and fresh to my ears. Imagine being young enough to be able to discover classic old bands like Pink Floyd or the Rolling Stones for the first time. It's wonderful!

i realise these may not be everyone's cup of tea, so insert your own equivalents as you read, but I can only imagine what it would be like to hear the likes of LA Woman, War Pigs, Sound of Silence, Like a Rolling Stone (Dylan or Hendrix), Since Ive Been Loving You or what Difference Does It Make for the first time today.

 

[CnoEvil]

Yoda would say "Choice is the advocate of discontent" *cray2*

No he wouldn't. He would say, "Advocate of the discontent, choice is". *smile*

Yeah well, I ain't no Jedi *biggrin* The Force is strong with you *good*

Oops, With you The Force strong is?

Nope, that ain't right either.... Strong with you, The Force is

You see, I told you.....minimal training is all that's required.

 

[lpv]

- 1 for radio paradise. don't like the music presented there at all.
I'm a big music lover and I don't listen anymore what I loved so much 20 years ago, 15 years ago and 10 and 5.. I discover/ search for music all the time, everyday.. my music tastes keep changing and I constantly provide fuel for that new taste.. I'm a big fun of streaming music ( not necessarily streaming from paid services) and never liked CD's or vinyl and I dreamed about something like todays streamers when it wasn't available to buy yet. I loved Spotify because it gave me access to all kind of music ( and I like variety) but recently much that I like is missing in their library so I stopped subscribtion. I buy downloads and I steram them without ever changing cd's or any other physical objects.
btw, my other audio dream is to hear music without visible speakers, headphones, amps or other audio devices.. mmm

 

[steve_1979]

I would imagine, like me, almost everyone who has an interest in hifi got there purely in the pursuit of enjoyment of their music. Ironically, I now find it much easier to find gear that I'd like to buy than music.

I use Spotify Connect to audition as much new stuff as I can and then buy anything that appeals. 30 years ago, an album was something I had to save for but now that I can afford to buy as many albums as I want, I struggle to find enough stuff that really hits me.

Does anyone else find this? Is it an age thing, has my brain shrunk to the point I'm not open minded enough? Or has it always been the same, but I just didn't notice because financial limits balanced my supply and demand?

Appreciate other perspectives.

I never actively search for music I just let music find me. Whenever I hear something I like on TV, in a shop, or anywhere else I check it out and if I like it I get it. Simple as that.

Occasionally people recommend I give something a try too or sometime I'll click on links in Spotify or YouTube if it looks interesting but that the closest that I come to searching for music.

I have a large collection of music that's been building up over a life time but I only actually add new music at the avarage rate of about one or two full albums per month and a dosen separate tracks per month.

 

[Jota180]

- 1 for radio paradise. don't like the music presented there at all.I'm a big music lover and I don't listen anymore what I loved so much 20 years ago, 15 years ago and 10 and 5.. I discover/ search for music all the time, everyday.. my music tastes keep changing and I constantly provide fuel for that new taste.. I'm a big fun of streaming music ( not necessarily streaming from paid services) and never liked CD's or vinyl and I dreamed about something like todays streamers when it wasn't available to buy yet. I loved Spotify because it gave me access to all kind of music ( and I like variety) but recently much that I like is missing in their library so I stopped subscribtion. I buy downloads and I steram them without ever changing cd's or any other physical objects.btw, my other audio dream is to hear music without visible speakers, headphones, amps or other audio devices.. mmm

Turn the lights off.

 

[Macspur]

I have no trouble buying music... barely a day goes by without me discovering new music... the wonders of Spotify, Deezer etc.

I'd love to buy more hardware, but the kind I lust over to better or even equal what I've already got is out of budget for now.

My musical taste seems to have broadened as I've got older.

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net

 

[Freddy58]

I have no trouble buying music... barely a day goes by without me discovering new music... the wonders of Spotify, Deezer etc.

Yes, but do you like any of it? *biggrin*

 

[Macspur]

I have no trouble buying music... barely a day goes by without me discovering new music... the wonders of Spotify, Deezer etc.

Yes, but do you like any of it? *biggrin*

Certainly do, just visit my blog and you'll see how much!

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net

 

[Freddy58]

I have no trouble buying music... barely a day goes by without me discovering new music... the wonders of Spotify, Deezer etc.

Yes, but do you like any of it? *biggrin*

Certainly do, just visit my blog and you'll see how much!

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net

Thing is, over the years I've bought lots of CD's that seemed a good idea at the time, but I soon got bored of them. I have lots of music from back in the day which still makes up the bulk of my listening. I find most modern music (that I've heard) totally uninspiring and boring. Where are all the big bands/artists these days? But then, I'm just an exceptionally dull old fart that doesn't know any better *biggrin*

 

[MrReaper182]

I buy a stupid amount of music each month. Much much more than hi-fi gear. There are lots of great new bands and singers around today for thoese who say their are not. A few fantastic singers and bands off of the top of my head are folk group Vanish Valley, folk singer Seth Lakeman, jazz singer Melody Gardot, electronic group Pendulum, blues singer Seasick Steve, metal group Bullet for my valentine. If your only judging todays music scene on what's in the top 40 then you really need to look further afield.

 

[Freddy58]

I buy a stupid amount of music each month. Much much more than hi-fi gear. There are lots of great new bands and singers around today for thoese who say their are not. A few fantastic singers and bands off of the top of my head are folk group Vanish Valley, folk singer Seth Lakeman, jazz singer Melody Gardot, electronic group Pendulum, blues singer Seasick Steve, metal group Bullet for my valentine. If your only judging todays music scene on what's in the top 40 then you really need to look further afield.

What's the top 40? *biggrin* I like Seasick Steve, and I've heard of Bullet For My Valentine, but not the rest. It's interesting to note that there's not many bands/artists that could easily fill stadiums, unless we're talking bands/artists from yesteryear. I tried to buy tickets for Dave Gilmour next September, no chance! Same when I tried to buy tickets for ACDC last year. Imagine if Pink Floyd were still going. They could sell out every night for a year, I reckon. I actually find myself discovering new music that I'd missed first time around, the latest being Antony Phillips, a one time member of Genesis. I'm not saying I dislike all new music, but I think it's indicative that I'm looking forward to Bowies new album.

 

[MrReaper182]

I buy a stupid amount of music each month. Much much more than hi-fi gear. There are lots of great new bands and singers around today for thoese who say their are not. A few fantastic singers and bands off of the top of my head are folk group Vanish Valley, folk singer Seth Lakeman, jazz singer Melody Gardot, electronic group Pendulum, blues singer Seasick Steve, metal group Bullet for my valentine. If your only judging todays music scene on what's in the top 40 then you really need to look further afield.

What's the top 40? *biggrin* I like Seasick Steve, and I've heard of Bullet For My Valentine, but not the rest. It's interesting to note that there's not many bands/artists that could easily fill stadiums, unless we're talking bands/artists from yesteryear. I tried to buy tickets for Dave Gilmour next September, no chance! Same when I tried to buy tickets for ACDC last year. Imagine if Pink Floyd were still going. They could sell out every night for a year, I reckon. I actually find myself discovering new music that I'd missed first time around, the latest being Antony Phillips, a one time member of Genesis. I'm not saying I dislike all new music, but I think it's indicative that I'm looking forward to Bowies new album.

I never liked Stadium concerts. If your find yourself at the back then you struggle to hear the the band and you always feel disconnected from the band your seeing. So bands not being able to fill staddiums is great news for me as I get to see them in much smaller palces where I have a much better time. Also promoters of big festivals and such always get the same bands to headline anyway. Like Download festival and Iron Maiden. Sure they are a great band but do they need to headline again? you had them headline every other year. So the reason very few big newer bands don't stand a change at headlining big stadiums and the like is because the people who own these places always go for the safe option and choose a big band from yesteryear because they already have a ready made fan base and that's where the money is and all these people care about is making some quick and easy money.

 

[splasher]

I think there is a fair argument that older bands get frstival gigs more easily because they are commercially less risky. Of course not all stadium gigs are festivals.

Another way to consider it would be to look at each decade from the 60s to now, I think people could name seminal albums from each decade up to the 90s. There would be differences of opinion, I'm sure, but there would be no shortage of candidates.

I'm not sure I could name many from the 00s or the 10s.

 

[MrReaper182]

I think there is a fair argument that older bands get frstival gigs more easily because they are commercially less risky. Of course not all stadium gigs are festivals.

Another way to consider it would be to look at each decade from the 60s to now, I think people could name seminal albums from each decade up to the 90s. There would be differences of opinion, I'm sure, but there would be no shortage of candidates.

I'm not sure I could name many from the 00s or the 10s.

There are quite a few seminal albums from the 00's and 10's. Of the top of my head Reise reise by Rammstein, Once by Nightwish, Dog hose music by Seasick Steve, Barenaked ladies are me by Barenaked Ladies, Sounding amosaic by Bedouin Soundclash are some abums that are held in very high regard from the 00's and 10's.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

The trouble with Apple stuff is once you start buying there stuff like iPads , iPhones , Apple TV which I am guilty of with the iPad , iPhone , Apple TV , iMac , i cloud your tied to Apple with there products because every time they bring let's say an iPad after say 2 or 3 years down the road they stop making updates for it so then forces you to buy a new iPad . And let's say you fail on hard times and you can not afford the yearly subscription to the cloud what happens to your library? Do you lose it because at least if you buy a cd or dvd you own it that's it

 

[splasher]

Of the top of my head Reise reise by Rammstein, Once by Nightwish, Dog hose music by Seasick Steve, Barenaked ladies are me by Barenaked Ladies, Sounding amosaic by Bedouin Soundclash are some abums that are held in very high regard from the 00's and 10's.

No disrespect to you or the artists named, but hardly Highway 61 Revisited, Revolver, Disraeli Gears, Dark Side Of The Moon, LZ 2, 3, 4, moving Pictures, The Queen Is Dead, Back In Black, Appetite For Destruction, Stone Roses, Nevermind, Dookie to name a fraction of what seems to me to be truly great albums. Sure there's been good albums in the 00s and the 10s but I'm not sure I'd say seminal.

Could just be me getting old. Maybe none of the albums above were considered truly great at the time, maybe they were just liked and became great in hindsight. Or maybe, as some have said, the ease of access to music has devalued it and somehow that's had a knock on effect on the quality.

 

[Ajani]

I would imagine, like me, almost everyone who has an interest in hifi got there purely in the pursuit of enjoyment of their music. Ironically, I now find it much easier to find gear that I'd like to buy than music.

I use Spotify Connect to audition as much new stuff as I can and then buy anything that appeals. 30 years ago, an album was something I had to save for but now that I can afford to buy as many albums as I want, I struggle to find enough stuff that really hits me.

Does anyone else find this? Is it an age thing, has my brain shrunk to the point I'm not open minded enough? Or has it always been the same, but I just didn't notice because financial limits balanced my supply and demand?

Appreciate other perspectives.

I'm a bit confused. Don't you have to have a Spotify Premium account to use connect?

If that's the case, then you are paying for music every month. So I would argue that you still find it easier to spend money on music than hifi.

I pay for Deezer Premium every month, but I rarely spend on new HiFi gear.

 

[MrReaper182]

Of the top of my head Reise reise by Rammstein, Once by Nightwish, Dog hose music by Seasick Steve, Barenaked ladies are me by Barenaked Ladies, Sounding amosaic by Bedouin Soundclash are some abums that are held in very high regard from the 00's and 10's.

No disrespect to you or the artists named, but hardly Highway 61 Revisited, Revolver, Disraeli Gears, Dark Side Of The Moon, LZ 2, 3, 4, moving Pictures, The Queen Is Dead, Back In Black, Appetite For Destruction, Stone Roses, Nevermind, Dookie to name a fraction of what seems to me to be truly great albums. Sure there's been good albums in the 00s and the 10s but I'm not sure I'd say seminal.

Could just be me getting old. Maybe none of the albums above were considered truly great at the time, maybe they were just liked and became great in hindsight. Or maybe, as some have said, the ease of access to music has devalued it and somehow that's had a knock on effect on the quality.

I think your find that once by Nightwish is very very highly regarded by symphonic metal fans. Those albums I put are not highly regared by you is probably because they were not recored in your youth/ younger years. We tend to hold the music made in are youth/ younger years above all other music made after that time period.

 

[splasher]

I'm a bit confused. Don't you have to have a Spotify Premium account to use connect?

If that's the case, then you are paying for music every month. So I would argue that you still find it easier to spend money on music than hifi.

It's a fair point, and like I say I do use Spotify but it comes free/bundled with my company mobile - actually I had a choice of three things: Spotify, Sky Sports or a third I can't recall.

Also, I probably wasn't as clear in my original post as I could have been and my age probably means I only see music as bought if I pay for the album and then own something physical, rather than a subscription. Of course I buy music more often than I buy equipment. My reference to "easy" was more to do with at any time having in the back of my mind some piece of kit I'd like to own but struggling at times to find an album. It just struck me as an irony given that an interest in hifi is just an extension of an interest in music.

 

[Freddy58]

Of the top of my head Reise reise by Rammstein, Once by Nightwish, Dog hose music by Seasick Steve, Barenaked ladies are me by Barenaked Ladies, Sounding amosaic by Bedouin Soundclash are some abums that are held in very high regard from the 00's and 10's.

No disrespect to you or the artists named, but hardly Highway 61 Revisited, Revolver, Disraeli Gears, Dark Side Of The Moon, LZ 2, 3, 4, moving Pictures, The Queen Is Dead, Back In Black, Appetite For Destruction, Stone Roses, Nevermind, Dookie to name a fraction of what seems to me to be truly great albums. Sure there's been good albums in the 00s and the 10s but I'm not sure I'd say seminal.

Could just be me getting old. Maybe none of the albums above were considered truly great at the time, maybe they were just liked and became great in hindsight. Or maybe, as some have said, the ease of access to music has devalued it and somehow that's had a knock on effect on the quality.

I think your find that once by Nightwish is very very highly regarded by symphonic metal fans. Those albums I put are not highly regared by you is probably because they were not recored in your youth/ younger years. We tend to hold the music made in are youth/ younger years above all other music made after that time period.

Regarding your point about music of our youth, yes, I agree up to a point. But, do you really think that a band like Nightwish will still have broad appeal in 50 years time? Are you really comparing them with bands like Pink Floyd, Led Zep, The Beatles, ACDC, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Doors or artists like David Bowie (I could go on and on)? Chances are Nightwish will be playing in small venues to a small number of devoted fans. To me, longevity says it all.

 

[MajorFubar]

I strongly disagree about today's kids not knowing who's #1, not enjoying music and not following trends. If anything social media and portable digital music has enhanced this compared to previous times. Everytime I open Tidal I'm bombarded with Jay-Z, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus and Lorde. And I listen to none of it. The whole music industry caters to young people today.

I didn't mean that they don't enjoy music. But their limitless access to anything and everything at the touch of a virtual button means it isn't the same for 'them' as it was to 'us'. To them it's a cheap/free commodity, to us you were lucky if you could afford a couple of singles a month and kids my age bought Top of the Pops LPs by soundalike artists because original-artists compilations of new or recent hits didn't exist until 1983 and full-price albums by one artist were probably the modern-day equivalent of £30 a shot.

My own kids are typical of their generation in so far as they have their favourite modern artists, but they don't 'follow the charts' like we did. You can download or stream whatever song you fancy from a million and one albums, you don't need to wait for the record label to release it on 7" vinyl or CD-single. That aspect of it is an anachronism and irrelevant to them. They haven't got the foggiest idea what's number one, probably neither do any of their mates (though clearly I haven't done a poll), and the significance of what it once meant to us is completely lost on them.

 

[steve_1979]

Regarding your point about music of our youth, yes, I agree up to a point. But, do you really think that a band like Nightwish will still have broad appeal in 50 years time? Are you really comparing them with bands like Pink Floyd, Led Zep, The Beatles, ACDC, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Doors or artists like David Bowie (I could go on and on)? Chances are Nightwish will be playing in small venues to a small number of devoted fans. To me, longevity says it all.

IMO those bands from the 60's and 70's are still the best bands of today. They're the ones that get played the most where I work where most of the staff are youngsters still in their early to mid twenties.

Personally I grew up in the 80's and 90's and while there's a select few like Queen, Nirvana, Aerosmith and Guns 'N' Roses from that era which have stood the test of time there's nothing from the past 20 years which stands out as being really great like the classic bands that you mention. This is nothing to do with what music I grew up with as I wasn't even born when they were still making music. It's simply a case of recognising good music when I hear it even if much of if is new to me over the last five years off so.

 

[Freddy58]

Regarding your point about music of our youth, yes, I agree up to a point. But, do you really think that a band like Nightwish will still have broad appeal in 50 years time? Are you really comparing them with bands like Pink Floyd, Led Zep, The Beatles, ACDC, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Doors or artists like David Bowie (I could go on and on)? Chances are Nightwish will be playing in small venues to a small number of devoted fans. To me, longevity says it all.

IMO those bands from the 60's and 70's are still the best bands of today. They're the ones that get played the most where I work where most of the staff are youngsters still in their early to mid twenties.

Personally I grew up in the 80's and 90's and while there's a select few like Queen, Nirvana, Aerosmith and Guns 'N' Roses from that era which have stood the test of time there's nothing from the past 20 years which stands out as being really great like the classic bands that you mention. This is nothing to do with what music I grew up with as I wasn't even born when they were still making music. It's simply a case of recognising good music when I hear it even if much of if is new to me over the last five years off so.

Good post

I realise I'm just an old fart that's stuck in the past, but to me, nothing compares to those bands, and even the bands you mentioned. It's nice to know that there are relative youngsters that are still discovering/appreciating the bands/artists I love.

 

[Ajani]

I'm a bit confused. Don't you have to have a Spotify Premium account to use connect?

If that's the case, then you are paying for music every month. So I would argue that you still find it easier to spend money on music than hifi.

It's a fair point, and like I say I do use Spotify but it comes free/bundled with my company mobile - actually I had a choice of three things: Spotify, Sky Sports or a third I can't recall.

Also, I probably wasn't as clear in my original post as I could have been and my age probably means I only see music as bought if I pay for the album and then own something physical, rather than a subscription. Of course I buy music more often than I buy equipment. My reference to "easy" was more to do with at any time having in the back of my mind some piece of kit I'd like to own but struggling at times to find an album. It just struck me as an irony given that an interest in hifi is just an extension of an interest in music.

I think what you're describing is a common phase for many audiophiles. Sometimes you are more interested in collecting music, other times you might be more into new HiFi. I see love of music and interest in HiFi (audiophilia) as two very separate (though related) hobbies. Despite what many audiophiles want to believe; you can love music and not care about HiFi. Likewise, you can love collecting HiFi but not have a great love of music. So you can easily find that at points in your life your love of HiFi exceeds your love of music and vice versa.

Also, as your music collection gets greater, especially if you have very specific musical tastes, you can run out of new music that really appeals to you. So chances are that you might find yourself more focused on your HiFi at that point.