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The thought of getting a better turntable had crossed my mind, but if I went for the RP6 is it a noticeable step up in performance from my current set-up, would the RP8 not be a better long term purchase?

Also, cartridge, MM or MC for the RP6, Rega or 3rd Party?

The RP6 with maybe the cartridge and phono stage suggested by @Al ears earlier in the thread would be very budget friendly but would I hear a noticeable improvement? On the other side the RP6 would or could form a better base for further upgrades at a later date.

Interesting suggestion, thanks.
I couldn't say for sure as I've heard the RP6 not the P6. But keeping it current and your liking for the Planar 3, the 6 seems the logical step up.

Can you demo the 6 anywhere?

Phono stage I can heartily recommend is the Leema Elements - it really is a cracker.

I'm with Al ears on the cartridge front. Stick with MM.
 
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I couldn't say for sure as I've heard the RP6 not the P6. But keeping it current and your liking for the Planar 3, the 6 seems the logical step up.

Can you demo the 6 anywhere?

Phono stage I can heartily recommend is the Leema Elements - it really is a cracker.

I'm with Al ears on the cartridge front. Stick with MM.
Otherwise I wouldn't change your amp or speakers - those two are the most critical to get right, the amp is the heart of the system and speakers is the soul.

IME turntable and phono stage are the only weakish areas I can see.
 
What is so special about a MC Cartridge that you have to pay an additional chunk of money to get something with similar sound quality to a good MM cartridge? Is there any tangible benefit of buying a MCC and associated phono stage.

Thanks.
In my opinion all the best top end cartridges sound quality wise are low output Moving Coils.
This means you're going to need a good quality phono preamp or step up transformer to get the best out of that cartridge. It all works out quite expensive but worth it if you can afford it.
That said, up to around £600, you are still better off buying moving magnet / iron.
 
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I couldn't say for sure as I've heard the RP6 not the P6. But keeping it current and your liking for the Planar 3, the 6 seems the logical step up.

Can you demo the 6 anywhere?

Phono stage I can heartily recommend is the Leema Elements - it really is a cracker.

I'm with Al ears on the cartridge front. Stick with MM.

I might be able to demo the 6, need to chat with my dealer who supplied my original system, he may do me a favour. He also stocks the Leema Elements so maybe I might be able to blag both for a week or two.
 

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In my opinion all the best top end cartridges sound quality wise are low output Moving Coils.
This means you're going to need a good quality phono preamp or step up transformer to get the best out of that cartridge. It all works out quite expensive but worth it if you can afford it.
That said, up to around £600, you are still better off buying moving magnet / iron.

Brilliant, thanks for this, maybe something to aim for with a turntable upgrade at a later date, I think I'll run with a MMC upgrade and improve the Phono Stage this time round, a bit of walking before I run.
 
I might be able to demo the 6, need to chat with my dealer who supplied my original system, he may do me a favour. He also stocks the Leema Elements so maybe I might be able to blag both for a week or two.
That's great if you can blag a demo of both table and phono stage.

I've demoed the Michell Gyro, and it's fabulous sounding, however it can be a nightmare to set up properly and used prices are still around the 2k mark, likewise with a Planar or RP8. Then factor in a good phono stage and you've munched well into your 2-3k budget.
 

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Was just going to suggest to upgrade cartridge and phono stage 1st. Then, when/if you upgrade the TT these can still be used.

Another phono selection are the Graham Slee ones, if you join the forum you can request one on home loan for 2 weeks just paying postage
 
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Was just going to suggest to upgrade cartridge and phono stage 1st. Then, when/if you upgrade the TT these can still be used.

Another phono selection are the Graham Slee ones, if you join the forum you can request one on home loan for 2 weeks just paying postage
Upgrading the cartridge will certainly give a noticable improvement. Thinking longer term a better turntable and a really good phono stage is a good place to start.

If it was my child's inheritance that's where I'd look first.

The OPs Hegel H95 amp will benefit from a much better turntable but IMO a Gyrodec or a Rega RP8 could be an overkill unless he upgrades the Hegel to a H160. Then you are thinking big bucks.
 
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Brilliant, thanks for this, maybe something to aim for with a turntable upgrade at a later date, I think I'll run with a MMC upgrade and improve the Phono Stage this time round, a bit of walking before I run.
Best way unless you want to spend more of their inheritance in the future as with MM cartridges you can simply buy a new stylus, with MC if any serious damage done you have to buy a complete new cartridge.... :)
 
Upgrading the cartridge will certainly give a noticable improvement. Thinking longer term a better turntable and a really good phono stage is a good place to start.

If it was my child's inheritance that's where I'd look first.

The OPs Hegel H95 amp will benefit from a much better turntable but IMO a Gyrodec or a Rega RP8 could be an overkill unless he upgrades the Hegel to a H160. Then you are thinking big bucks.
Agree up to that last paragraph.
Not too sure why a new deck is overkill when it comes to the H95, this would be happy in a system with a much more expensive deck.
Can you explain why the need to upgrade the amp?
 
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Was just going to suggest to upgrade cartridge and phono stage 1st. Then, when/if you upgrade the TT these can still be used.

Another phono selection are the Graham Slee ones, if you join the forum you can request one on home loan for 2 weeks just paying postage

Thanks for the heads up on Graham Slee, will add to the list for research.
 

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Upgrading the cartridge will certainly give a noticable improvement. Thinking longer term a better turntable and a really good phono stage is a good place to start.

If it was my child's inheritance that's where I'd look first.

The OPs Hegel H95 amp will benefit from a much better turntable but IMO a Gyrodec or a Rega RP8 could be an overkill unless he upgrades the Hegel to a H160. Then you are thinking big bucks.

Upgrading to a H120 or H190 would be massively expensive, the H120 retails for £2400 and the H190 comes in at £3400, either of these on top of a Cartridge (£400), Phono Stage (£500), TT (RP6 £1200) is way above what I want to spend, would the addition of a better cartridge attached to a better phono stage attached to the H95 not work just as well?

I can run with the cartridge, phono stage and even a TT upgrade but I am not planning on an Amp or Speaker change, far too expensive for my compact listening room.
 
Upgrading to a H120 or H190 would be massively expensive, the H120 retails for £2400 and the H190 comes in at £3400, either of these on top of a Cartridge (£400), Phono Stage (£500), TT (RP6 £1200) is way above what I want to spend, would the addition of a better cartridge attached to a better phono stage attached to the H95 not work just as well?

I can run with the cartridge, phono stage and even a TT upgrade but I am not planning on an Amp or Speaker change, far too expensive for my compact listening room.
To be hon even if you did substitute a H120 or H160 for your H95 I very much doubt you would be able to distinguish between the two, in my opinion.
 
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Agree up to that last paragraph.
Not too sure why a new deck is overkill when it comes to the H95, this would be happy in a system with a much more expensive deck.
Can you explain why the need to upgrade the amp?
Not said upgrade the amp, the H95 is plenty good enough. If the OP was to purchase a Gyrodec or Rega RP8 the natural instinct of a audiophile is to come back on here a few weeks or months later to seek advice on a amp upgrade.

And with either of those two tables, add in a good phono stage and that's his budget blown.
 
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To be hon even if you did substitute a H120 or H160 for your H95 I very much doubt you would be able to distinguish between the two, in my opinion.

No change on my amp or speakers I am very happy with both, to be honest I like the sound I have coming out of the system full stop, it makes me smile when I sit down and listen, tonight has been my first venture into the world of 45rpm albums with Eva Cassidy’s Songbird, just wonderful, thoroughly enjoyable.

I may do nothing but the thought that I may be able to get a bit more out of those grooves in the vinyl is very very tempting and that I may get a tangible improvement for around £1k or less is even more tempting.

Next up, Bill Withers‘s greatest hits, looking forward to this.
 

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Not said upgrade the amp, the H95 is plenty good enough. If the OP was to purchase a Gyrodec or Rega RP8 the natural instinct of a audiophile is to come back on here a few weeks or months later to seek advice on a amp upgrade.

And with either of those two tables, add in a good phono stage and that's his budget blown.

Budget wise the RP8 is too expensive, ditto the Gyrodec, I have been looking at prices this afternoon and I couldn’t justify the expense for my modest listening room, the current version of the RP6 would be fine and if I go with an upgrade on the cartridge and phono stage they would work on the new TT.

So I am back to looking at a new Cartridge and Phono Stage, parking the TT upgrade for now.

Thanks for your help.
 
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No change on my amp or speakers I am very happy with both, to be honest I like the sound I have coming out of the system full stop, it makes me smile when I sit down and listen, tonight has been my first venture into the world of 45rpm albums with Eva Cassidy’s Songbird, just wonderful, thoroughly enjoyable.

I may do nothing but the thought that I may be able to get a bit more out of those grooves in the vinyl is very very tempting and that I may get a tangible improvement for around £1k or less is even more tempting.

Next up, Bill Withers‘s greatest hits, looking forward to this.
An excellent album. The money you pay on quality pressed vinyl really does make a difference without making any other changes in your system.
 
Budget wise the RP8 is too expensive, ditto the Gyrodec, I have been looking at prices this afternoon and I couldn’t justify the expense for my modest listening room, the current version of the RP6 would be fine and if I go with an upgrade on the cartridge and phono stage they would work on the new TT.

So I am back to looking at a new Cartridge and Phono Stage, parking the TT upgrade for now.

Thanks for your help.
Rather than RP6 I would move to a Project Classic Evo deck and go from there....
 
Budget wise the RP8 is too expensive, ditto the Gyrodec, I have been looking at prices this afternoon and I couldn’t justify the expense for my modest listening room, the current version of the RP6 would be fine and if I go with an upgrade on the cartridge and phono stage they would work on the new TT.

So I am back to looking at a new Cartridge and Phono Stage, parking the TT upgrade for now.

Thanks for your help.
Fair enough. Nothing wrong with a better cartridge and phono stage. Will give you a decent upgrade, plenty to choose from as the examples mentioned earlier: Goldring, Nags, Clearaudio, Ortofon midrange carts, Audio Technica...

Don't get bogged down with MC cartridges. All the above are MM and gives fantastic sound quality.
 
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Fair enough. Nothing wrong with a better cartridge and phono stage. Will give you a decent upgrade, plenty to choose from as the examples mentioned earlier: Goldring, Nags, Clearaudio, Ortofon midrange carts, Audio Technica...

Don't get bogged down with MC cartridges. All the above are MM and gives fantastic sound quality.

Thanks for the suggestions.
 
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well, i would never take the money for my kids future studies that already happened to spend on hi-fi components, but i do sometimes forget and spend lot´s of money in things i didn´t needed but it would improve my listening to vinil as advertised. I had looked for what was Mofi but at the end my conclusion is that they really worked a lot to achieve their intension or purpose but i lost myself when seeing Mofi cartridges and turntable and the sound was really good but not my interpretation of a good sound ,i like to hear all instruments recorded at the levels they intendent to when releasing the record all those remasterings and remixes are what i call raping the music or if sold ,it should be at very low prices ,like buying a good recorded cassette not spending a lot of money in new versions of what they think it should be the sound of a record released long ago ,as an example i some years ago read a article that was the frontman of Jethro Tull complaining about their first album sound and explaining where it was recorded and the studios in two diferent floors where the rolling Stones had recorded too. Now the record is how he wanted to be when released ,i think the guy was paid or just have his brain destroyd by the drugs ,i say this because when listening for the first time Aqualung ,i was like amazed by the sound of the band and the record sound itself i thought it was very original and good sounding ,at the same time innovative, the level one puts when listening the first track does sounded new to me as a break through to what was the standart type of recording a album, this refering to the levels of the tracks in the first music because it kind of explodes when the electric guitar and drums appear, and he complaining about that , just to say that if that album in his opinion should never sound like that ,today no one would knew that a band called jetrho tull existed ,maybe their highschool friends at the most and also i think i have to refer when buying their new records i liked at first listening but notice always a decrease in quality or if the first album wasn´t released as it was i would never get interested in this band that, i don´t remenber the name of the album, from a certain point i stoped buying his albums because they were more of the same with changes that sounded really bad. Other song in this case is a whiter shade of pale from Procul Harum ,they released a new rematered version, that sounded very well but like if the song was raped , i know that the original is not a master piece in sound but it´s how it get known by most of the people in the world and i remenber enjoying very much the song ,when released i didn´t knew it but later in time when going through my father records i was amazed by it ,also had other Procul Harum LP´s and singles, i remenber one that was a doble single with some presentation made with taste for the time it was released but none of those songs i enjoyed, the new version is just a crime in my opinion.
I arrived to the conclusion that this new wave of turntables and records also cartridges and new stylus are what i never thought it would be, i two years ago tried to find some new cartridges for my old turntables that were very good sounding to me, but not knowing exactelly the specifications of my old cartridges i went to buy them for what they sounded and i started to listen the cartridges, when looking at the prices, the ones that came closer were getting too expensive , that´s when i understood that this new wave of turntables ,even being expensive and having supposed to be good stylus but or one uses a very expensive amplifier and speakers or this turntables would never sound as they did till early 90´s that i know off . I normally say ,when asked about what one should expect of a record and it´s sound played in a turntable is "if the sound is better to the point of when changing to cd listening after listening to records, they would sound very bad no matter what cd player one has" this i say based on a 83 pioneer turntable that i opened maybe in 2017 that it was direct drive had a HUCO swiss stylus in substitution of the AT 95, the reference was PL-430 it sounded ok it was heavy , it had a good box of metal it had a tonearm with good quality ,made of a polymere of graphite ,as it says in the manual ,i sold it for a 100€ to a friend who wanted only to listen to a few records he had bought in the 80´s or late 70´s . In my opinion wasn´t that good but being new and working with perfection i have to say that it was a good turntable. After this what can i say of Project turntables or rega or even in a totally diferent way ,the Fluance, i had not heard more than one but recentelly i heard other two models and being cheaper they do give a close experience of what was the sound of a record ,some Pro-ject around 1.000€ are so bad that i couldn´t believe what i heard, the REGA are not that good but superior in quality to the Pro-ject ones, so all over the world people are being fooled by spending money on the most bad sounding turntables i ever heard ,this makes me say that any plastic turntable released in the 80´s instead of bad were perfect, i could go on but i think i already wrotte more than i should to catch the attention of another menber , sorry for my bad english
 
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In my opinion all the best top end cartridges sound quality wise are low output Moving Coils.
This means you're going to need a good quality phono preamp or step up transformer to get the best out of that cartridge. It all works out quite expensive but worth it if you can afford it.
That said, up to around £600, you are still better off buying moving magnet / iron.
Or just buy a old amplifier from the 70´s if in good condition, with a good phono stage and some do have in the back or front a litle volume knob for MC cartridges, it would be less expensive and improve the quality of sound of his system, just my opinion , Al ears sugestion is good in my opinion but looking to the budget factor it would become expensive or change nlike he said to a MM type cartridge that with a bit of money one can find good sounding cartridges, as already comented
 
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well, i would never take the money for my kids future studies that already happened to spend on hi-fi components, but i do sometimes forget and spend lot´s of money in things i didn´t needed but it would improve my listening to vinil as advertised.

Hi Rui, thanks for the feedback.

I appreciate that English is not you first language but it would be really helpful if you could break up your comments a bit more it would help them be more readable, it took a while to get through what you were saying but it did make sense eventually.

As for me pinching the money for the kids future studies, well my kids finished their studies a long time ago and both are now hard at work in their own chosen careers, their inheritance is the house and my record collection when my days on this planet are over.

Once again thanks for your input.
 
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