I just think forum members have lost interest on being on a forum now!

gel

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What do you think? Sometimes I enjoy it most of the time I think I am wasting my time because that’s the average opinion of a non forum member and I have to agree with them for the most part. I don’t really do Facebook, Twitter or Instagram whatever that is. Being made a moderator was very nice but you don’t do much as one, I have banned 3 members now for spamming mainly on my posts and that’s be it. You look on other forums too they are even worse in my opinion but at least on some you have contact with the reviewers.

I think mainly that people have moved passed forums now and doing something more interesting with their lives, which is what I should be doing too.
 

gel

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And with there not being many good parts you tend to remember the bad parts all too often, not that there are any bad parts on this forum anymore but in the past there was that make you feel you must be crazy to post on one and you still remember them.
 
In the last few years, Facebook groups seem to have become more popular than forums. Someone said that at least on Facebook groups you’re not hiding behind a false identity, which is true, but I find forums far easier to keep track of and find posts. Facebook groups might have notifications, but after a day or so, those notifications don’t take to you to the reply it’s notifying you of, only to the general thread - then you’re on your own to find out where the reply is.

On Facebook groups, retailers seem to be the anti-Christ and the members hold the wealth of knowledge everyone else seeks, but I’ve seen so much bad advice on Facebook groups. Forums are bad enough sometimes, but FB groups seem to be even worse, despite people posting using their own personal profiles. Of course, if you correct them, things get heated or you come off as being snobby. Sadly, I think this could have a big effect on retailers, although you could argue that people in these groups aren’t the sort of people who frequent Hi-Fi stores.

I suppose part of it is laziness - people don’t have to open up another app or log into a Facebook group like you do a forum as it’s integral to Facebook, so it’s quicker and simpler - and we all know people like to do as little as possible. Just the way it is now.
 
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gel

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In the last few years, Facebook groups seem to have become more popular than forums. Someone said that at least on Facebook groups you’re not hiding behind a false identity, which is true, but I find forums far easier to keep track of and find posts. Facebook groups might have notifications, but after a day or so, those notifications don’t take to you to the reply it’s notifying you of, only to the general thread - then you’re on your own to find out where the reply is.

On Facebook groups, retailers seem to be the anti-Christ and the members hold the wealth of knowledge everyone else seeks, but I’ve seen so much bad advice on Facebook groups. Forums are bad enough sometimes, but FB groups seem to be even worse, despite people posting using their own personal profiles. Of course, if you correct them, things get heated or you come off as being snobby. Sadly, I think this could have a big effect on retailers, although you could argue that people in these groups aren’t the sort of people who frequent Hi-Fi stores.

I suppose part of it is laziness - people don’t have to open up another app or log into a Facebook group like you do a forum as it’s integral to Facebook, so it’s quicker and simpler - and we all know people like to do as little as possible. Just the way it is now.
I have belong to some Facebook groups like Axl Rose fan group and others like that. I suppose I should try it again, some of the members were quite interesting, but I have found that I have changed a lot over the years and now I am a recluse, so how do you socialise on them if you don’t in real life?
 

gel

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In the last few years, Facebook groups seem to have become more popular than forums. Someone said that at least on Facebook groups you’re not hiding behind a false identity, which is true, but I find forums far easier to keep track of and find posts. Facebook groups might have notifications, but after a day or so, those notifications don’t take to you to the reply it’s notifying you of, only to the general thread - then you’re on your own to find out where the reply is.

On Facebook groups, retailers seem to be the anti-Christ and the members hold the wealth of knowledge everyone else seeks, but I’ve seen so much bad advice on Facebook groups. Forums are bad enough sometimes, but FB groups seem to be even worse, despite people posting using their own personal profiles. Of course, if you correct them, things get heated or you come off as being snobby. Sadly, I think this could have a big effect on retailers, although you could argue that people in these groups aren’t the sort of people who frequent Hi-Fi stores.

I suppose part of it is laziness - people don’t have to open up another app or log into a Facebook group like you do a forum as it’s integral to Facebook, so it’s quicker and simpler - and we all know people like to do as little as possible. Just the way it is now.
Retailers seem like the anti-Christ, I suppose they do a bit from bad experiences from some but it shouldn’t be that way for you, I have always found you fair.
 
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bigboss

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The forum has only only recently re-started. It built a huge base over the years before suddenly stopping. It's now back to square one to build the loyal base again. This will take time. As for existing members, a lot have moved on to other interests. Even with me, I am gradually losing track of the latest AV equipment releases and what additional features they have. I still enjoy watching films, but it's become quite rare for me to watch one. The last time I watched a film on my projector was over a month ago. I can't remember the last time I watched TV. Can't find the time now. I have to sleep early so I can wake up early to exercise and work is getting much busier. Weekends are spent with family or cycling or playing cricket.
 

Jimboo

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On Facebook groups you can spot who's clock goes cuckoo on the hour and that is often handy. The way we write often comes across differently to the way you say things and how that is interpreted. I left many hi-fi and record/cd/music groups because they become groundhog Day scenarios.
I like forums where the opinions and beliefs vary , some of the ideas on here leave me speechless at first , I like the diversity I suppose. People are strange is certainly true. Reddit is popular but like you tube it shows how schools are failing and stupidity is the new religion. Forums still have a place for me but yeah they are a dying breed.
 
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Never done FB and have no interest in it. If you are genuinely interested in hi-fi then only a hi-fi forum will truly cater for your needs. Too many idiots out there on FB, much prefer being here amongst other audiofools as we have a genuine and common interest and hopefully have more intelligence than a gnat.

As bigboss said the forum is still "new" hopefully we'll get some more punters to stick around, like the rest of us die-hards. One thing I have noticed we do occasionally get some arrogant and unappreciative twats on here who join to ask a question, get an answer and you never see them again, or get any thanks... Do they think we get paid for dishing out advice?
 

Al ears

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I can understand where Gel is coming from, the new forum seems not a patch on the old and we seem to have moved away from being the helpful to a situation where we are likely to be abused if we don't fall in line with leading questions posted by newbies that only want to be acknowledged by their apparently good deals or decisions they have already made.
The upgrade if you can call it that to moderator has been something of a surprise but hopefully I have the maturity to keep things under control.
Once I feel I have outlived my usefulness in areas that I am well versed I will step down but there are still the odd questions and appreciative replies that are enough to keep me hanging on.
Hopefully some still appreciate this
 

insider9

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It's an interesting subject given circumstances. I'm working from home. Climbing walls from boredom but hifi isn't my priority at the minute. I do have a little drink daily to ease anxiety (yes I know it's not good for me and lowers immunity) and would love to be more engaged. You'd expect forum to be thriving yet lots of us do other things. Maybe as time progresses need for escapism will be greater.
 
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I do agree the forum isn't the same as it used to be and a lot of the old members have not come back.
As BB said it will take time and we must persevere. With everything else going on in the world at the moment fatigue and boredom does have some effect on people connecting on forums. Some will enjoy it and others will stay away.
The majority on here are people who want to help and offer constructive advice.
Stay safe everyone and try to keep active in mind and body.
 
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The biggest problem with this forum is years of loyalty severed when it closed down. Trying to re-gain that trust/loyalty is difficult.

I'm pretty sure that early negotiations the subject of the forum must have been mentioned on more than one occasion. There's a big difference between evolving and change.

The main reason why I'm not on here more regularly is partly the reason(s) above and partly because I can't offer anything original beyond the previous responses, regardless of the subject.
 

Mike Hunt

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Times change... people change.
Back in the days of satellite TV, I used to moderate a forum with over 50k members. It was a massive community, where we were pretty much all involved in hacking things like Conax, so we could get free TV. Then broadband happened, and the sat. scene died, and pretty much overnight we went from 50k regular posting members to around 50 regular posting members.
Times change... (most) People no longer care about audio quality. They care about instant access to Spotify, and play it through a £29 Anker Bluetooth speaker from Amazon. Few people are interested in quality these days. Instant gratification has trumped quality, and we're now firmly entrenched in the disposable age. This isn't something we're going to bounce back from. We have to admit that we're relics... like CD players :D
 

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I still have satellite TV ( in the US and rural ). We even had a big dish when I was a kid in the 80s. The ones that tracked to different satellites. If I wasn't a mod I'd talk about how back then you could just get a chip in the decoder to get all the channels. Then you had to call a number in Canada every week to get codes. Or how when I got my own place I got DirecTv ( DSS, little dish ) and went through the glory days of the H and Hu cards ( late 90s - mid 00s ) that could be reprogrammed or how I might even have had an EEPROM programmer. I enjoyed that. Lots of early cracking stuff was on Usenet and that's where I used to get music pre file sharing.
 

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One of my best friends used to do it too. He had a dish farm and at one point was getting DirecTv which was at least 2 and maybe 3 satellites for all the channels back then, Dish Network which was also at least 2 satellites and he was pulling in Bell ExpressVu from Canada. I bet he had 10 dishes set up. :LOL:
 

Mike Hunt

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During my recent search for all things obsolete, I discovered a season interface. It's a card that was inserted into the CI slot, and connected to the computer to make unwatchable things watchable.
I even stumbled upon a USB version of the season interface, which I was party to developing, (as opposed to the RS232 version) in a long since forgotten drawer, and an old Dragon CAM and a few gold cards... I do miss those days.
 
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anort3

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I think a season interface would be what I'd call an emulator? My EEPROM programmer was older than that tech and connected directly to a serial port on the motherboard. Had to take the side off the computer to plug it in.

Edit: No wait maybe it was a parallel port. It's been 20 years I forget.
 

Mike Hunt

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I think a season interface would be what I'd call an emulator? My EEPROM programmer was older than that tech and connected directly to a serial port on the motherboard. Had to take the side off the computer to plug it in.

Edit: No wait maybe it was a parallel port. It's been 20 years I forget.
The season interface was just that, an interface. The emulator was a program that ran on the PC, and you added the new keys to it as and when necessary.
Is it the Elvis programmer you're referring to?
 

anort3

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That was later era Hu card stuff. I didn't own a programmer for the original H cards but my friend did. They all got ECM'd in 2000.

 
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gel

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The biggest problem with this forum is years of loyalty severed when it closed down. Trying to re-gain that trust/loyalty is difficult.

I'm pretty sure that early negotiations the subject of the forum must have been mentioned on more than one occasion. There's a big difference between evolving and change.

The main reason why I'm not on here more regularly is partly the reason(s) above and partly because I can't offer anything original beyond the previous responses, regardless of the subject.
Would be good to see you as a regular again pp I think most of us post similar staff again and again don’t worry about it. You are a big part of the history of the forum come back. (y)
 
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gel

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Times change... people change.
Back in the days of satellite TV, I used to moderate a forum with over 50k members. It was a massive community, where we were pretty much all involved in hacking things like Conax, so we could get free TV. Then broadband happened, and the sat. scene died, and pretty much overnight we went from 50k regular posting members to around 50 regular posting members.
Times change... (most) People no longer care about audio quality. They care about instant access to Spotify, and play it through a £29 Anker Bluetooth speaker from Amazon. Few people are interested in quality these days. Instant gratification has trumped quality, and we're now firmly entrenched in the disposable age. This isn't something we're going to bounce back from. We have to admit that we're relics... like CD players :D
This is so true, when I first started posting on here HD TVs and flat screen TVs were all the rage and Blu-ray players it was all new and exciting everybody wanted a home cinema system too.
 

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