How this forum has been allowed to become like this?

[Deleted member 2457]

Thie older and more experienced posters (Whose superior knowledge etc is much respected by me) but that isn't an excuse to be rude, arrogant and dismissive!.

diplomacy,tact and goodwill to all!

tonky

Name and shame these members, please?

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_664715932]

Name I mentioned above including plasterman they always give good advise and I value their opinion. I know how the OP feels there are few others who just like to show how intelligent they are at any given opportunity which can be patronising sometime.

 

[CJSF]

I've suffered some stick in the past . . . but stuck it out, gave a bit back in a respectable manner, over all I'm left alone these days and I'm very selective of the threads I post on.

It happens in most walks of life, there are 'know it all's' all over. The otherday I was on my local glider field, we were discussing the whys and wherefores of spoiler and flap settings, I do things very different to most, aint that a suprise*smile* . . . I was shouted down by the local 'expert' . . . My answer, who won the 'club glider trophy this year' . . . and it was not him . . . *biggrin*

Same applies to my hifi, I do it my way, I get great satisfaction with the least expenditure and minimum box swapping, I've needed to do no cable changing since the mid 80's, I've had the same speakers since the early 90's . . .

CJSF

 

[ID.]

Yeah, when did it become acceptable for people to turn up out of nowhere, start trollish cable threads and act like they are the victim

Welcome to the forum. Ignore the trolls like me and there are a number of good contributors. As it is the internet and communication doesn't always carry the subleties of face to face communication, I recommend developing a thick skin and a healthy sense of humour. No point taking things personally, or too seriously.

Happy holidays.

 

[rainsoothe]

I think the protestors should realise that what seems to them to be perfectly reasonable is to others completely ridiculous. It is very hard to bite your tongue when people post stuff that you know is impossible.

Chris

Like people knew the Earth was flat? I don't know what the reason the OP started this thread is, btw, therefore I'm not defending or accusing anyone. Just making a point )

 

[davedotco]

I think the protestors should realise that what seems to them to be perfectly reasonable is to others completely ridiculous. It is very hard to bite your tongue when people post stuff that you know is impossible.

Chris

Like people knew the Earth was flat? I don't know what the reason the OP started this thread is, btw, therefore I'm not defending or accusing anyone. Just making a point )

The usual misunderstanding of a non scientific mind. People thought (not knew) the earth was flat because they had no evidence to the contrary.

If you have conclusive evidence, then you know, if the evidence is lacking then you think (you know).

It seems that these days a lot of people do not understand the differences between facts, theories and opinions.

I blame the schools.....*mail1*

 

[Dave_]

I think the protestors should realise that what seems to them to be perfectly reasonable is to others completely ridiculous. It is very hard to bite your tongue when people post stuff that you know is impossible.

Chris

Like people knew the Earth was flat?

Except they didn't.

Not really a surprise to see the myth perpetuated on here though...

 

[Vladimir]

I think the protestors should realise that what seems to them to be perfectly reasonable is to others completely ridiculous. It is very hard to bite your tongue when people post stuff that you know is impossible.

Chris

Like people knew the Earth was flat? I don't know what the reason the OP started this thread is, btw, therefore I'm not defending or accusing anyone. Just making a point )

Thales in 600BC knew the Earth was round. Actually all civilizations with knowledge of math, astronomy and engineering knew the Earth was round and that the Earth revolves arround the Sun. Even there was atomic theory that said everything is made from small particles. When religion took over during the Dark Ages in Europe, things changed, all libraries were burned and new 'knowledge' was written based on religious mythology. Anyone who oposed this 'new knowledge' was alienated, stigmatized, tortured and killed.

According to Bertrand Russell, "Western philosophy begins with Thales." Thales attempted to explain natural phenomena without reference to mythology and was tremendously influential in this respect. Almost all of the other Pre-Socratic philosophers follow him in attempting to provide an explanation of ultimate substance, change, and the existence of the world without reference to mythology. Those philosophers were also influential and eventually Thales' rejection of mythological explanations became an essential idea for the scientific revolution. He was also the first to define general principles and set forth hypotheses, and as a result has been dubbed the "Father of Science," though it is argued that Democritus is actually more deserving of this title.

This battle continues today between those cought in the vices of mythological thinking and those who follow scientific factual knowledge and rational thinking. Some prefer stories and some prefer facts.

Today a high percentage (one in four) of the population in Western countries still believes the Sun revolves around the Earth and that the Earth is 6000 years old, simply because religious mythology says so. Science does not and never has.

 

[rainsoothe]

I think the protestors should realise that what seems to them to be perfectly reasonable is to others completely ridiculous. It is very hard to bite your tongue when people post stuff that you know is impossible.

Chris

Like people knew the Earth was flat? I don't know what the reason the OP started this thread is, btw, therefore I'm not defending or accusing anyone. Just making a point )

The usual misunderstanding of a non scientific mind. People thought (not knew) the earth was flat because they had no evidence to the contrary.

If you have conclusive evidence, then you know, if the evidence is lacking then you think (you know).

It seems that these days a lot of people do not understand the differences between facts, theories and opinions.

I blame the schools.....*mail1*

yay, quote wars! Of course, in retrospect, they "thought". But in reality, in their time, they thought they knew, which still serves my point. I mean yes, empirical evidence says that there's nothing faster then the speed of light. That's a fact, we know that. But who knows what future measuring tool will discover some particle or whatever and reveal the contrary? And some future Dave and Rain will be having the same argument about wether we knew or thought that the speed of light was the fastest. My point still stands.

 

[Freddy58]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am.......I think

 

[rainsoothe]

I think the protestors should realise that what seems to them to be perfectly reasonable is to others completely ridiculous. It is very hard to bite your tongue when people post stuff that you know is impossible.

Chris

Like people knew the Earth was flat? I don't know what the reason the OP started this thread is, btw, therefore I'm not defending or accusing anyone. Just making a point )

Thales in 600BC knew the Earth was round. Actually all civilizations with knowledge of math, astronomy and engineering knew the Earth was round and that the Earth revolves arround the Sun. Even there was atomic theory that said everything is made from small particles. When religion took over during the Dark Ages in Europe, things changed, all libraries were burned and new 'knowledge' was written based on religious mythology. Anyone who oposed this 'new knowledge' was alienated, stigmatized, tortured and killed.

According to Bertrand Russell, "Western philosophy begins with Thales." Thales attempted to explain natural phenomena without reference to mythology and was tremendously influential in this respect. Almost all of the other Pre-Socratic philosophers follow him in attempting to provide an explanation of ultimate substance, change, and the existence of the world without reference to mythology. Those philosophers were also influential and eventually Thales' rejection of mythological explanations became an essential idea for the scientific revolution. He was also the first to define general principles and set forth hypotheses, and as a result has been dubbed the "Father of Science," though it is argued that Democritus is actually more deserving of this title.

This battle continues today between those cought in the vices of mythological thinking and those who follow scientific factual knowledge and rational thinking. Some prefer stories and some prefer facts.

Today a high percentage (one in four) of the population in Western countries still believes the Sun revolves around the Earth and that the Earth is 6000 years old, simply because religious mythology says so. Science does not and never has.

ok, you are half right - the Earth's flatness was indeed only in mythology, but the geocentric model was not. Therefore, replace the flatness with the Sun revolving around Earth, and my earlier analogy still holds water, you're just arguing specifics to poke holes in it. Point still stands. Either that, or we hold the truth about a lot of stuff and our view of the Universe is never a matter of perspective or perception. I mean seriously, the beauty of science is that it's able to always correct itself where it's wrong. What you're saying is that it always is (or has been) right. Which is not the case.

 

[The_Lhc]

I think the protestors should realise that what seems to them to be perfectly reasonable is to others completely ridiculous. It is very hard to bite your tongue when people post stuff that you know is impossible.

Like people knew the Earth was flat? I don't know what the reason the OP started this thread is, btw, therefore I'm not defending or accusing anyone. Just making a point )

The usual misunderstanding of a non scientific mind. People thought (not knew) the earth was flat because they had no evidence to the contrary.

If you have conclusive evidence, then you know[/b], if the evidence is lacking then you think[/b] (you know).

It seems that these days a lot of people do not understand the differences between facts, theories and opinions.

I blame the schools.....*mail1*

yay, quote wars! Of course, in retrospect, they "thought". But in reality, in their time, they thought they knew, which still serves my point.

No, they didn't. As several people have already mentioned the ancients of most civilizations KNEW the Earth WASN'T flat. So your original point is still wrong anyway.

I mean yes, empirical evidence says that there's nothing faster then the speed of light. That's a fact, we know [/b]that. But who knows what future measuring tool will discover some particle or whatever and reveal the contrary?

You're a bit late to the party, we've already shown that quantum entanglement effects occur instantaneously, regardless of the distance between the entangled bodies, so something there is travelling faster than light, we just don't know what it is.

 

[plastic penguin]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am.......I think

I believe in a certain belief. Yet, I rarely believe in any of my beliefs. Believe it or not.

 

[rainsoothe]

You're a bit late to the party, we've already shown that quantum entanglement effects occur instantaneously, regardless of the distance between the entangled bodies, so something there is travelling faster than light, we just don't know what it is.

Which proves my point then. The rest just proves the non-validity of my analogy, not the one of the point I was trying to get across.

 

[Vladimir]

ok, you are half right - the Earth's flatness was indeed only in mythology, but the geocentric model was not. Therefore, replace the flatness with the Sun revolving around Earth, and my earlier analogy still holds water, you're just arguing specifics to poke holes in it. Point still stands. Either that, or we hold the truth about a lot of stuff and our view of the Universe is never a matter of perspective or perception. I mean seriously, the beauty of science is that it's able to always correct itself where it's wrong. What you're saying is that it always is (or has been) right. Which is not the case.

Science is often wrong but it is a process. It is not 'The Book' and it gets to be wrong/right forever. Because it is comprised of obnoxious skeptics, there is perpetual re-examination and improvement of all knowledge. It is the oposite of dogmatic thinking.

Anyone today who can prove the Sun revolves around the Earth and not vice versa, will get a Nobel prize and many fat cheques. Same as anyone who can pass the James Randi cable test and prove cables make an audible difference, will get a fat cheque of 1 million $.

 

[matthewpiano]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am.......I think

"Of course you are, my bright little star..." Great album.

 

[Freddy58]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am.......I think

"Of course you are, my bright little star..." Great album.

Indeed, still gets played a lot here

 

[matthewpiano]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am.......I think

"Of course you are, my bright little star..." Great album.

Indeed, still gets played a lot here

Played it just the other day. It remains my favourite Moody Blues album.

 

[Freddy58]

I think, I think I am, therefore I am.......I think

"Of course you are, my bright little star..." Great album.

Indeed, still gets played a lot here

Played it just the other day. It remains my favourite Moody Blues album.

 

[BenLaw]

You're a bit late to the party, we've already shown that quantum entanglement effects occur instantaneously, regardless of the distance between the entangled bodies, so something there is travelling faster than light, we just don't know what it is.

Which proves my point then. The rest just proves the non-validity of my analogy, not the one of the point I was trying to get across.

Glad you cleared that one up.

 

[CJSF]

. . . comprised of obnoxious skeptics . . .

Oh how I agree Vladimir . . . *biggrin*

CJSF

 

[fr0g]

 

[Ajani]

I believe a bit of diplomacy and tact wouldn't go amiss

Diplomacy and tact on the internet??? *shok*

The problem with internet forums is that people will readily say things they would never say in a face to face discussion. Probably because saying some of those things might get their teeth kicked out in real life. So rules of civilised discusssion often don't apply on the net. Hence the need for good moderation on internet forums.

 

[The_Lhc]

The problem with internet forums is that people will readily say things they would never say in a face to face discussion.

Speak for yourself...

 

[Native_bon]

I believe a bit of diplomacy and tact wouldn't go amiss

Diplomacy and tact on the internet??? *shok*

The problem with internet forums is that people will readily say things they would never say in a face to face discussion. Probably because saying some of those things might get their teeth kicked out in real life. So rules of civilised discusssion often don't apply on the net. Hence the need for good moderation on internet forums.

Real words, anyone mature mind will know you said well.