Hi folks. I've been busy testing a Clearer Audio Silver Line Power lead today and thought I'd share my findings. Quite an impressive cable out of the box and looks good (like that's really important but anyways). Plug end reminds me of a shower head adding to that wow factor :- ) So I tested it on my power amp and CDP so far and this is what I thought. Power Amp - Played one track over and over switching between the original lead and the Clearer Audio Silver Line (CASL) lead after each track. Couldn't hear much if any difference initially but after a while began to notice a slight compression to the music. Very disappointed. Did this with other tracks and found the same thing. Although not drastically different I was kinda looking for an improvement ( shock, horror!) so definitely unimpressed so far. CDP - Again played the same track blah blah switching over leads blah blah and hallelujah!!! There's something very noticeably different here. Firstly noticed an immediate openess to the sound using the C.A.S.L vs the normal lead. (less compressed, more analogue sounding). I've done this more times than is healthy and am satisfied that it seems to allow more space between instruments/notes. Secondly i seemed to notice more detail probably as a result of the first finding (openess). You know- when the singer takes a breath etc etc, definitely more noticeable. Thirdly the bass was much stronger. Only noticed this when I switched discs to something with err lots of bass. Found this a bit off-putting at first but I like it. Its not overbearing, the bass extension is significantly improved and the bass weight / and punchiness is markedly improved too. Overall with the CDP it's spectacular. I miss it when its not there. I'll test it on my pre-amp tomorrow ( my back is killing me) and post my findings To be frank the improvement I get when plugged into the CDP is impressive. Promised myself not to make a definitive decision until i've had it a week but its looking good. Seems to be component specific.
How Clear is Your Audio?? Yes yet another cable thread................
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I'd be interested to hear your findings once it's been used for a couple of weeks, to see if there are any differences between then & now.
I have found it always best to start with the source (ie CD player) as if detail in the signal is lost at this point it cannot be brought back further down the chain!
The clarity and openess to the music will continue if you upgrade further with your pre amp, power amp.
One further massive improvement you can make is to replace the speaker crossovers with top quality inductors and capacitors (but this involves getting the soldering iron out!).
Take a look here to see what I mean....... www.iplacoustics.co.uk/ipl_crossover_components.htm
The clarity and openess to the music will continue if you upgrade further with your pre amp, power amp.
One further massive improvement you can make is to replace the speaker crossovers with top quality inductors and capacitors (but this involves getting the soldering iron out!).
Take a look here to see what I mean....... www.iplacoustics.co.uk/ipl_crossover_components.htm
Tried out the Clear Audio Silver Line Power Cord today on my pre amp. The difference here was more marked than on either the CDP or power amp. The immediate difference I noticed was there seemed to be less of something, maybe something taken away. After repeated listening i have to say the sound as it is, is more natural and organic as i've ever heard my system sound. It's as if all the graininess/ artificial colouring/ noise has been sucked out leaving just the music on the disc. Switching back to the normal power lead makes the music seem that bit louder with a slight brightness in comparison. I'm sure ultimately it will be much less fatiguing if listening for longer periods. The sounds is very pure. With acoustic music/ piano/solo violin/easy listening/ female vocal the results are fantastic. I think possibly with some of the electronic music I listen to i may prefer some graininess to the music and so may not use the power cord when listening to this type of music. Overall I'm ecstatic with the potential of the cable. Definitely in the sceptic camp before but not anymore. They work alright just need some careful matching and experimentation. Impressed.
[quote user="Big Chris"]I'd be interested to hear your findings once it's been used for a couple of weeks, to see if there are any differences between then & now.[/quote]
Hi Big Chris. I'll let you know how they're sounding after this time.
Hi Big Chris. I'll let you know how they're sounding after this time.
[quote user="trevor79"]I have found it always best to start with the source (ie CD player) as if detail in the signal is lost at this point it cannot be brought back further down the chain!
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True but i did notice a significant improvement in noise reduction when it was jsut connected to the preamp.
[quote user="trevor79"]One further massive improvement you can make is to replace the speaker crossovers with top quality inductors and capacitors (but this involves getting the soldering iron out!).
Take a look here to see what I mean....... www.iplacoustics.co.uk/ipl_crossover_components.htm[/quote]
I'll take your word for it
Me and DIY of that nature = Big, Big disaster
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True but i did notice a significant improvement in noise reduction when it was jsut connected to the preamp.
[quote user="trevor79"]One further massive improvement you can make is to replace the speaker crossovers with top quality inductors and capacitors (but this involves getting the soldering iron out!).
Take a look here to see what I mean....... www.iplacoustics.co.uk/ipl_crossover_components.htm[/quote]
I'll take your word for it
Me and DIY of that nature = Big, Big disaster [quote user="Thaiman"]Interesting! Darren do offer a money back garantee too, Shall I?[/quote]
Dont get suckered mate. Or at least do a proper blind test and prove to yourself its codswallop... And share your findings.
Dont get suckered mate. Or at least do a proper blind test and prove to yourself its codswallop... And share your findings.
[quote user="fr0g"][quote user="Thaiman"]Interesting! Darren do offer a money back garantee too, Shall I?[/quote]
Dont get suckered mate. Or at least do a proper blind test and prove to yourself its codswallop... And share your findings.[/quote]
It sounds like you have your mind made up already though Fr0g. All I can say I can hear the difference it makes to my system otherwise the cable would find itself back in the post back in the direction from where it came. You know it never ceases to amaze me how people will readily dismiss things that are not readily demonstrable to them one way or another. To be be able refute any claims of sonic benefit from power leads and the like you also need to demonstrate unequivocally their ineffectiveness. To my knowledge there is no such evidence. Thus i would have thought,at the very least, an open mind to their effectiveness would be most appropriate. Still your opinion is your opinion.......
Dont get suckered mate. Or at least do a proper blind test and prove to yourself its codswallop... And share your findings.[/quote]
It sounds like you have your mind made up already though Fr0g. All I can say I can hear the difference it makes to my system otherwise the cable would find itself back in the post back in the direction from where it came. You know it never ceases to amaze me how people will readily dismiss things that are not readily demonstrable to them one way or another. To be be able refute any claims of sonic benefit from power leads and the like you also need to demonstrate unequivocally their ineffectiveness. To my knowledge there is no such evidence. Thus i would have thought,at the very least, an open mind to their effectiveness would be most appropriate. Still your opinion is your opinion.......
Jaxon5 - Did not realise that this thread was also posted here. As previously mentioned, I am really pleased to hear that you are impressed with the cable. It is also great to read your feedback on performance on your pre-amp. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have any questions or queries.
FrOg - I appreciate that some people may want to be scientifically objective and if so a double-blind test is worthwhile doing. Many of our customers have done so with excellent results. We do offer a 60 Day Money Back Gurantee so customers can judge for themselves.
Kind regards, Darren
FrOg - I appreciate that some people may want to be scientifically objective and if so a double-blind test is worthwhile doing. Many of our customers have done so with excellent results. We do offer a 60 Day Money Back Gurantee so customers can judge for themselves.
Kind regards, Darren
[quote user="JAXON5"]All I can say I can hear the difference it makes to my system otherwise the
cable would find itself back in the post back in the direction from where it
came[/quote]
How would you rate the cable on sound per pound prefomance?
cable would find itself back in the post back in the direction from where it
came[/quote]
How would you rate the cable on sound per pound prefomance?
[quote user="Thaiman"][quote user="JAXON5"]All I can say I can hear the difference it makes to my system otherwise the
cable would find itself back in the post back in the direction from where it
came[/quote]
How would you rate the cable on sound per pound prefomance?
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Good question!!!! Difficult to answer as I've not tried other alternatives at different prices. Suffice to say in my system I think the expense is justified. It really depend show much improvement you'd get in your own system. In comparison to previous interconnect upgrades eg from Chord cobra 3 to VDH D102 mk3 silver Jubilee the benefit with the Power Cord upgrade is at least as apparent and for a similar price. ( chord cobra 3 £60 -silver jubilee £120. Free power lead - Clearer Audio Silver line - £150.
All things considered I think it is good value. I will be getting one for my CDP in addition to the one I have for my Pre-amp. Hope this helps
cable would find itself back in the post back in the direction from where it
came[/quote]
How would you rate the cable on sound per pound prefomance?
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Good question!!!! Difficult to answer as I've not tried other alternatives at different prices. Suffice to say in my system I think the expense is justified. It really depend show much improvement you'd get in your own system. In comparison to previous interconnect upgrades eg from Chord cobra 3 to VDH D102 mk3 silver Jubilee the benefit with the Power Cord upgrade is at least as apparent and for a similar price. ( chord cobra 3 £60 -silver jubilee £120. Free power lead - Clearer Audio Silver line - £150.
All things considered I think it is good value. I will be getting one for my CDP in addition to the one I have for my Pre-amp. Hope this helps
[quote user="clearer_audio"]
FrOg - I appreciate that some people may want to be scientifically objective and if so a double-blind test is worthwhile doing. Many of our customers have done so with excellent results. We do offer a 60 Day Money Back Gurantee so customers can judge for themselves.
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Well I am open to scientific proof, but really not interested in trying. I really dont want to go down the route of maybe tweaking 0.1% of improvement out of my system with a ludicrously priced length of electrical cable.
Nope I am waiting for a properly documented positive blind test result... as yet I have seen only negatives...
The heresay of users, some of whom openly advertise the fact they have branded jumper cables, doesn't really do it for me. - If I'm missing out, so be it.
FrOg - I appreciate that some people may want to be scientifically objective and if so a double-blind test is worthwhile doing. Many of our customers have done so with excellent results. We do offer a 60 Day Money Back Gurantee so customers can judge for themselves.
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Well I am open to scientific proof, but really not interested in trying. I really dont want to go down the route of maybe tweaking 0.1% of improvement out of my system with a ludicrously priced length of electrical cable.
Nope I am waiting for a properly documented positive blind test result... as yet I have seen only negatives...
The heresay of users, some of whom openly advertise the fact they have branded jumper cables, doesn't really do it for me.
- If I'm missing out, so be it.[quote user="fr0g"]
The heresay of users, some of whom openly advertise the fact they have branded jumper cables, doesn't really do it for me. - If I'm missing out, so be it.[/quote]
Well I'm just a member of the forum posting some findings that I hope may help some people that may be interested. After all this a forum for hifi nuts and enthusiasts is it not? ;-)
Don't see what you're trying to say with regard to me mentioning i've got signature jumpers. They did wonders vs the supplied links. Maybe i should blank out all the brands in my signature (no pun intended) and replaced them with much more acceptable ----- dashes....... ;-)
The heresay of users, some of whom openly advertise the fact they have branded jumper cables, doesn't really do it for me.
- If I'm missing out, so be it.[/quote]Well I'm just a member of the forum posting some findings that I hope may help some people that may be interested. After all this a forum for hifi nuts and enthusiasts is it not? ;-)
Don't see what you're trying to say with regard to me mentioning i've got signature jumpers. They did wonders vs the supplied links. Maybe i should blank out all the brands in my signature (no pun intended) and replaced them with much more acceptable ----- dashes....... ;-)
As I've written on another thread, my QED SA XT speaker cable is much much better than some 6mm copper audiophile cable I bought. More detailed, more revealing and generally a huge step up. Cable nonbelievers take heed.
[quote user="JoelSim"]As I've written on another thread, my QED SA XT speaker cable is much much better than some 6mm copper audiophile cable I bought. More detailed, more revealing and generally a huge step up. Cable nonbelievers take heed.[/quote]
And strangely enough I have tested QED SA XT for a week against my current Van Damme 4 mm2 cable from ebay, and it doesnt hold up at all in the bass dept. It is initially pleasing with an apparent increase in detail, but I since found it was simply a lack of bass. I put it down to the fact that it is a very thin wire. Horses for courses, I can understand you enjoying the apparent extra detail.
However we are talking about power cables here.
And strangely enough I have tested QED SA XT for a week against my current Van Damme 4 mm2 cable from ebay, and it doesnt hold up at all in the bass dept. It is initially pleasing with an apparent increase in detail, but I since found it was simply a lack of bass. I put it down to the fact that it is a very thin wire. Horses for courses, I can understand you enjoying the apparent extra detail.
However we are talking about power cables here.
[quote user="fr0g"]
However we are talking about power cables here.[/quote]
and i'm sure you noticed he has RA power cables ;-) No doubt a TOTAL waste of money ;-)
However we are talking about power cables here.
[/quote]and i'm sure you noticed he has RA power cables ;-) No doubt a TOTAL waste of money ;-)
I tend to listen at lowish volumes and like the extra detail and involvement that the SA brings over simple copper thick cable which really doesn't compare. Voice and acoustics are really dull comparatively.
Ignoring the whole notion of expectation bias, surely the gains between different cables (including power cables) pale into insignificance when you consider the affect of room acoustics and even the speaker/listenig position.
I will check some out on 'buy or return' basis, but Im not holding my breath
I will check some out on 'buy or return' basis, but Im not holding my breath
[quote user="JAXON5"][quote user="fr0g"]
However we are talking about power cables here.[/quote]
and i'm sure you noticed he has RA power cables ;-) No doubt a TOTAL waste of money ;-)[/quote]
Probably But if it makes you happy,and your dealer, and the manufacturer, then the world is a happier place, so who am I to argue?
However we are talking about power cables here.
[/quote]and i'm sure you noticed he has RA power cables ;-) No doubt a TOTAL waste of money ;-)[/quote]
Probably
But if it makes you happy,and your dealer, and the manufacturer, then the world is a happier place, so who am I to argue?[quote user="JoelSim"]I tend to listen at lowish volumes and like the extra detail and involvement that the SA brings over simple copper thick cable which really doesn't compare. Voice and acoustics are really dull comparatively.[/quote]
Sounds like you should have bought some Mentor 1s or 2s ? I say that as I genuinely currently believe that a thick copper cable will get the message from the amp to the speaker, and show both for what they are. thin wires like the SA, start to colour the sound. That may be nice, but I would rather have a speaker that gave me what I wanted, rather than tweaking with wires... just a thought.
Sounds like you should have bought some Mentor 1s or 2s ? I say that as I genuinely currently believe that a thick copper cable will get the message from the amp to the speaker, and show both for what they are. thin wires like the SA, start to colour the sound. That may be nice, but I would rather have a speaker that gave me what I wanted, rather than tweaking with wires... just a thought.
[quote user="thfcwestlower"]
Ignoring the whole notion of expectation bias, surely the gains between different cables (including power cables) pale into insignificance when you consider the affect of room acoustics and even the speaker/listenig position.
I will check some out on 'buy or return' basis, but Im not holding my breath
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Interestingly, room acoustics and listening position have a major effect but in my experience so do cables and stands. I have to say that these copper cables I bought 'as good if not better than cables costing 10x as much' really don;t cut the mustard. Similarly, I have a small living room but my Dali floorstanders sound absolutely superb, as did my ProAcs. However, when I transferred the ProAcs to my kitchen, although they sound decent, they don;t sound anywhere near as good as when I hooked them up in the living room, with different cable (QED) and better positioning. Really there is a huge difference.
Ignoring the whole notion of expectation bias, surely the gains between different cables (including power cables) pale into insignificance when you consider the affect of room acoustics and even the speaker/listenig position.
I will check some out on 'buy or return' basis, but Im not holding my breath
[/quote]
Interestingly, room acoustics and listening position have a major effect but in my experience so do cables and stands. I have to say that these copper cables I bought 'as good if not better than cables costing 10x as much' really don;t cut the mustard. Similarly, I have a small living room but my Dali floorstanders sound absolutely superb, as did my ProAcs. However, when I transferred the ProAcs to my kitchen, although they sound decent, they don;t sound anywhere near as good as when I hooked them up in the living room, with different cable (QED) and better positioning. Really there is a huge difference.
[quote user="JoelSim"][quote user="thfcwestlower"]
Ignoring the whole notion of expectation bias, surely the gains between different cables (including power cables) pale into insignificance when you consider the affect of room acoustics and even the speaker/listenig position.
I will check some out on 'buy or return' basis, but Im not holding my breath
[/quote]
Interestingly, room acoustics and listening position have a major effect but in my experience so do cables and stands. I have to say that these copper cables I bought 'as good if not better than cables costing 10x as much' really don;t cut the mustard. Similarly, I have a small living room but my Dali floorstanders sound absolutely superb, as did my ProAcs. However, when I transferred the ProAcs to my kitchen, although they sound decent, they don;t sound anywhere near as good as when I hooked them up in the living room, with different cable (QED) and better positioning. Really there is a huge difference.[/quote]
I agree there is a difference. For me the £3 /m Van Damme were better than the QED. And at least as good as the Dali Silver wave (I struggled to tell the difference here)
Ignoring the whole notion of expectation bias, surely the gains between different cables (including power cables) pale into insignificance when you consider the affect of room acoustics and even the speaker/listenig position.
I will check some out on 'buy or return' basis, but Im not holding my breath
[/quote]
Interestingly, room acoustics and listening position have a major effect but in my experience so do cables and stands. I have to say that these copper cables I bought 'as good if not better than cables costing 10x as much' really don;t cut the mustard. Similarly, I have a small living room but my Dali floorstanders sound absolutely superb, as did my ProAcs. However, when I transferred the ProAcs to my kitchen, although they sound decent, they don;t sound anywhere near as good as when I hooked them up in the living room, with different cable (QED) and better positioning. Really there is a huge difference.[/quote]
I agree there is a difference. For me the £3 /m Van Damme were better than the QED. And at least as good as the Dali Silver wave (I struggled to tell the difference here)
I'm no doubter of cable technology but its the last cable i would replace. The juice from your amplifier to your speakers is the most important as they are not plugged in. Do I need to re-wire my house? mmmmmm????
[quote user="JAXON5"]
Hi folks. I've been busy testing a Clearer Audio Silver Line Power lead today and thought I'd share my findings. Quite an impressive cable out of the box and looks good (like that's really important but anyways)
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Glad you like it but unless you are replacing a faulty one a new power lead won't change the sound of the equipment it's connected to. It's electronics, not black magic.
Regards Ed.
Hi folks. I've been busy testing a Clearer Audio Silver Line Power lead today and thought I'd share my findings. Quite an impressive cable out of the box and looks good (like that's really important but anyways)
[/quote]
Glad you like it but unless you are replacing a faulty one a new power lead won't change the sound of the equipment it's connected to. It's electronics, not black magic.
Regards Ed.
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