HiFi Live Show 2016

[Infiniteloop]

Nice to hear good things about Icon Audio and that you're considering a valve Amp for a second system.

This is exactly what I ended up with when I bought my Devialet. - I just couldn't let my Unison Research S8 go.........

 

[gowiththeflow]

contact Karma AV - I am sure they will tell you and you can post it on here

Although a Karma room, it was the Primare team running the demo. Siemen Algra (sales manager) was demonstrating the kit while I was in there. Terry Medalen (marketing??) and another guy were also around, in and out of the room.

z

 

[steve_1979]

Something bad happened to me after the show...

I ended up being given an audition of some active Adam studio monitors. They were S5A-MKII's I think? Unfortunately (for my wallet) these were game changers and clearly showed the true difference in SQ between active and passive designs. So much more dynamic power and clout than anything I had seen that day or have heard before. Having invested so much time and money in building a passive system I have to admit to feeling a little crest fallen.

I love my system and thought I had reached my audio nirvana, only to discover another range of mountains as I reached what I thought was the peak for me. Where does this all end!!!

Welcome to the darkside.

Unfortunately you've just missed a pair of £12,000 Adam Audio Tensor Gamma active speakers which sold for £2,950 on ebay. Lovely speakers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADAM-AUDIO-TENSOR-GAMMA-LOUDSPEAKERS-/162243117427?hash=item25c6718173:g:7QoAAOSwzaJYA7th

 

[Gazzip]

Something bad happened to me after the show...

I ended up being given an audition of some active Adam studio monitors. They were S5A-MKII's I think? Unfortunately (for my wallet) these were game changers and clearly showed the true difference in SQ between active and passive designs. So much more dynamic power and clout than anything I had seen that day or have heard before. Having invested so much time and money in building a passive system I have to admit to feeling a little crest fallen.

I love my system and thought I had reached my audio nirvana, only to discover another range of mountains as I reached what I thought was the peak for me. Where does this all end!!!

Welcome to the darkside.

Unfortunately you've just missed a pair of £12,000 Adam Audio Tensor Gamma active speakers which sold for £2,950 on ebay. Lovely speakers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADAM-AUDIO-TENSOR-GAMMA-LOUDSPEAKERS-/162243117427?hash=item25c6718173:g:7QoAAOSwzaJYA7th

******...

 

[ellisdj]

contact Karma AV - I am sure they will tell you and you can post it on here 

Although a Karma room, it was the Primare team running the demo. Siemen Algra (sales manager) was demonstrating the kit while I was in there. Terry Medalen (marketing??) and another guy were also around, in and out of the room.

 

 

z

If that is the case Primare chose to use the Torus and it might not have been a pure horking sales tactic

 

[davedotco]

Something bad happened to me after the show...

I ended up being given an audition of some active Adam studio monitors. They were S5A-MKII's I think? Unfortunately (for my wallet) these were game changers and clearly showed the true difference in SQ between active and passive designs. So much more dynamic power and clout than anything I had seen that day or have heard before. Having invested so much time and money in building a passive system I have to admit to feeling a little crest fallen.

I love my system and thought I had reached my audio nirvana, only to discover another range of mountains as I reached what I thought was the peak for me. Where does this all end!!!

Welcome to the darkside.

Unfortunately you've just missed a pair of £12,000 Adam Audio Tensor Gamma active speakers which sold for £2,950 on ebay. Lovely speakers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADAM-AUDIO-TENSOR-GAMMA-LOUDSPEAKERS-/162243117427?hash=item25c6718173:g:7QoAAOSwzaJYA7th

******...

Things do crop up from time to time, for example there is a rather nice looking pair of Adam Compact Classic models up for £850.

Older models admitedly but at a similar level to the S2X monitors, smaller two way versions of the beasts that you heard. They have a 7inch bass driver and 200 + 50 watt (rms) amplifiers, maybe not quite potent enough to scratch your particular itch but a hell of a speaker for someone.

A general word of warning when buying studio speakers, once you get above a certain price point, I would reckon about £2.5-3.5k, you start paying a lot of money for bass extension and output capability, serious midfield monitors need to be 'unburstable'.

For a lot of domestic setups they are simply too much, though it would be interesting to see how big monitors fair in your room. For most hi-fi users, speakers in the price range mentioned above would probably be enough, models like the Event Opals, Unity Audio 'The Rock, PMC TwoTwo.5 and the aforementioned Adam S2X. Although I have not heard them, the PSI 'Studio Red' series, mentioned very favourably in the show report elswhere are worth checking out too.

 

[Diamond Joe]

Good thread ellisdj thanks, can I ask what camera you were using? Cheers

 

[gowiththeflow]

Seven pages of photos are here on the HiFi Pig web site.....

http://hifipig.com/hifi-show-windsor-2016/

 

[ellisdj]

Good thread ellisdj thanks, can I ask what camera you were using? Cheers

Just my phone camera Galaxy S6 - sorry the photos are not great

 

[Gazzip]

Something bad happened to me after the show...

I ended up being given an audition of some active Adam studio monitors. They were S5A-MKII's I think? Unfortunately (for my wallet) these were game changers and clearly showed the true difference in SQ between active and passive designs. So much more dynamic power and clout than anything I had seen that day or have heard before. Having invested so much time and money in building a passive system I have to admit to feeling a little crest fallen.

I love my system and thought I had reached my audio nirvana, only to discover another range of mountains as I reached what I thought was the peak for me. Where does this all end!!!

Welcome to the darkside.

Unfortunately you've just missed a pair of £12,000 Adam Audio Tensor Gamma active speakers which sold for £2,950 on ebay. Lovely speakers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADAM-AUDIO-TENSOR-GAMMA-LOUDSPEAKERS-/162243117427?hash=item25c6718173:g:7QoAAOSwzaJYA7th

******...

Things do crop up from time to time, for example there is a rather nice looking pair of Adam Compact Classic models up for £850.

Older models admitedly but at a similar level to the S2X monitors, smaller two way versions of the beasts that you heard. They have a 7inch bass driver and 200 + 50 watt (rms) amplifiers, maybe not quite potent enough to scratch your particular itch but a hell of a speaker for someone.

A general word of warning when buying studio speakers, once you get above a certain price point, I would reckon about £2.5-3.5k, you start paying a lot of money for bass extension and output capability, serious midfield monitors need to be 'unburstable'.

For a lot of domestic setups they are simply too much, though it would be interesting to see how big monitors fair in your room. For most hi-fi users, speakers in the price range mentioned above would probably be enough, models like the Event Opals, Unity Audio 'The Rock, PMC TwoTwo.5 and the aforementioned Adam S2X. Although I have not heard them, the PSI 'Studio Red' series, mentioned very favourably in the show report elswhere are worth checking out too.

Thanks DDC. Ever since I had the IB2S (then the MB2SE and finally the BB5SE) bass extension has been an absolute must for any loudspeakers I have procured. Not so much what I can hear, more what I sense is missing if not there. The FACT 12's are pretty good in this regard.

It is the increase in dynamics and "grip" on the drivers that a good active can deliver which really intrigues me, especially at lower listening levels. However good a passive crossover is one cannot escape the fact that a great deal of energy is lost in the passive filtering process. The fact that a passive crossover can change behaviour as it heats up is also a disturbing discovery I only recently learned about.

We shall see. I will not be parting with any of my cash until I have heard the FACT 12's against an active monitor in my listening environment, so for now they are in my system to stay. As I say, for now...

 

[ellisdj]

ever since I had the IB2S (then the MB2SE and finally the BB5SE)...... The FACT 12's .

Sounds like speakers do stay in your system Gazzip - Fact 12 got no hope, might as well box them up now *biggrin*

 

[davedotco]

Something bad happened to me after the show...

I ended up being given an audition of some active Adam studio monitors. They were S5A-MKII's I think? Unfortunately (for my wallet) these were game changers and clearly showed the true difference in SQ between active and passive designs. So much more dynamic power and clout than anything I had seen that day or have heard before. Having invested so much time and money in building a passive system I have to admit to feeling a little crest fallen.

I love my system and thought I had reached my audio nirvana, only to discover another range of mountains as I reached what I thought was the peak for me. Where does this all end!!!

Welcome to the darkside.

Unfortunately you've just missed a pair of £12,000 Adam Audio Tensor Gamma active speakers which sold for £2,950 on ebay. Lovely speakers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADAM-AUDIO-TENSOR-GAMMA-LOUDSPEAKERS-/162243117427?hash=item25c6718173:g:7QoAAOSwzaJYA7th

******...

Things do crop up from time to time, for example there is a rather nice looking pair of Adam Compact Classic models up for £850.

Older models admitedly but at a similar level to the S2X monitors, smaller two way versions of the beasts that you heard. They have a 7inch bass driver and 200 + 50 watt (rms) amplifiers, maybe not quite potent enough to scratch your particular itch but a hell of a speaker for someone.

A general word of warning when buying studio speakers, once you get above a certain price point, I would reckon about £2.5-3.5k, you start paying a lot of money for bass extension and output capability, serious midfield monitors need to be 'unburstable'.

For a lot of domestic setups they are simply too much, though it would be interesting to see how big monitors fair in your room. For most hi-fi users, speakers in the price range mentioned above would probably be enough, models like the Event Opals, Unity Audio 'The Rock, PMC TwoTwo.5 and the aforementioned Adam S2X. Although I have not heard them, the PSI 'Studio Red' series, mentioned very favourably in the show report elswhere are worth checking out too.

Thanks DDC. Ever since I had the IB2S (then the MB2SE and finally the BB5SE) bass extension has been an absolute must for any loudspeakers I have procured. Not so much what I can hear, more what I sense is missing if not there. The FACT 12's are pretty good in this regard.

It is the increase in dynamics and "grip" on the drivers that a good active can deliver which really intrigues me, especially at lower listening levels. However good a passive crossover is one cannot escape the fact that a great deal of energy is lost in the passive filtering process. The fact that a passive crossover can change behaviour as it heats up is also a disturbing discovery I only recently learned about.

We shall see. I will not be parting with any of my cash until I have heard the FACT 12's against an active monitor in my listening environment, so for now they are in my system to stay. As I say, for now...

You are indeed fortunate that your listening environment can handle deep bass, so few domestic rooms can do that, well in my experience anyway.

On a personal note, one of the prime attractions for me is the speed and attack at the bass end, real kick and presence in the couple of octaves above 60hz seem fundamental to my enjoyment, it is this that gives me the scale that I like.

My own, rather tiny, Adam artists do not really do that, but given my domestic situation they are a pretty good compromise, discrete good looks and great clarity at the kind of levels that I normally use does the job, for the time being at least.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Something bad happened to me after the show...

I ended up being given an audition of some active Adam studio monitors. They were S5A-MKII's I think? Unfortunately (for my wallet) these were game changers and clearly showed the true difference in SQ between active and passive designs. So much more dynamic power and clout than anything I had seen that day or have heard before. Having invested so much time and money in building a passive system I have to admit to feeling a little crest fallen.

I love my system and thought I had reached my audio nirvana, only to discover another range of mountains as I reached what I thought was the peak for me. Where does this all end!!!

Welcome to the darkside. 

Unfortunately you've just missed a pair of £12,000 Adam Audio Tensor Gamma active speakers which sold for £2,950 on ebay. Lovely speakers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADAM-AUDIO-TENSOR-GAMMA-LOUDSPEAKERS-/162243117427?hash=item25c6718173:g:7QoAAOSwzaJYA7th

 

******...

Things do crop up from time to time, for example there is a rather nice looking pair of Adam Compact Classic models up for £850.

Older models admitedly but at a similar level to the S2X monitors, smaller two way versions of the beasts that you heard. They have a 7inch bass driver and 200 + 50 watt (rms) amplifiers, maybe not quite potent enough to scratch your particular itch but a hell of a speaker for someone.

A general word of warning when buying studio speakers, once you get above a certain price point, I would reckon about £2.5-3.5k, you start paying a lot of money for bass extension and output capability, serious midfield monitors need to be 'unburstable'.

For a lot of domestic setups they are simply too much, though it would be interesting to see how big monitors fair in your room. For most hi-fi users, speakers in the price range mentioned above would probably be enough, models like the Event Opals, Unity Audio 'The Rock, PMC TwoTwo.5 and the aforementioned Adam S2X. Although I have not heard them, the PSI 'Studio Red' series, mentioned very favourably in the show report elswhere are worth checking out too.

Thanks DDC. Ever since I had the IB2S (then the MB2SE and finally the BB5SE) bass extension has been an absolute must for any loudspeakers I have procured. Not so much what I can hear, more what I sense is missing if not there. The FACT 12's are pretty good in this regard.

It is the increase in dynamics and "grip" on the drivers that a good active can deliver which really intrigues me, especially at lower listening levels. However good a passive crossover is one cannot escape the fact that a great deal of energy is lost in the passive filtering process. The fact that a passive crossover can change behaviour as it heats up is also a disturbing discovery I only recently learned about.

We shall see. I will not be parting with any of my cash until I have heard the FACT 12's against an active monitor in my listening environment, so for now they are in my system to stay. As I say, for now...

You are indeed fortunate that your listening environment can handle deep bass, so few domestic rooms can do that, well in my experience anyway.

On a personal note, one of the prime attractions for me is the speed and attack at the bass end, real kick and presence in the couple of octaves above 60hz seem fundamental to my enjoyment, it is this that gives me the scale that I like.

My own, rather tiny, Adam artists do not really do that, but given my domestic situation they are a pretty good compromise, discrete good looks and great clarity at the kind of levels that I normally use does the job, for the time being at least. 

You guys had me checking out adam sx4a (i think they are called) the stand tall version with 12 inch bass driver and 5 or 6 inch mid range?
£2700 ish each
now thats a lot cheaper than atc scm100a that are my dream to have speaker.

Dave -How does this one sound? And compare to atcscm100
Also i heard on youtube someone complain of bass vibration and higher volume.
Dont know if thats bs or not.

If i remember correct it can go 130db??

Im really thinking strongly about selling hegel and going for 2nd hand scm100a and getting good preamp dac.

 

[Diamond Joe]

Good thread ellisdj thanks, can I ask what camera you were using? Cheers

Just my phone camera Galaxy S6 - sorry the photos are not great

On the contrary, I thought they were good, I'm pretty sure they are better than I managed at Bristol with my (supposedly) superior Lumix. I'm not surprised though, I've just got a Galaxy A5 which seems to have a really good camera, I find it even works well in low light.

 

[ellisdj]

Oh cheers

It is a surprisingly good camera for a phone - you can see in the shots where its focused on the wrong thing - hard to tell that when its above your head

Some of the shots are using the phone digital zoom - some of them have come out alright considering the poor light.

 

[Diamond Joe]

ou can see in the shots where its focused on the wrong thing

I have that problem with all my cameras if I forget my glasses!!

 

[Electro]

Hi ellisdj, thanks for the fantastic pictures and your impressions of the equipment .

I am really enjoying it . *good*

It was a good show Dave mate, some impressive sound there. We need to do another couple of days of demoing mate. Need to sort that out

Yes we must, I would love to hear your new speakers .