HDMI Cables

[RobinKidderminster]

Not wishing to open again the 'old cable debate' I posted earlier ..

All issues addressed on p85 of November WHF. Detailed. Relaxed. Not as clean as some. The SupraUSB. Russ Andrews struggles a little with bass & CA less texture. Mmmmm.

Cheers

 

[cheeseboy]

Not wishing to open again the 'old cable debate' I posted earlier ..

All issues addressed on p85 of November WHF. Detailed. Relaxed. Not as clean as some. The SupraUSB. Russ Andrews struggles a little with bass & CA less texture. Mmmmm.

Cheers

That's usb cables though, and this was a test designed for HDMI cables, but am sure it could be used for USB cables. However I doubt we will ever see such a test in WHF magazine as how could they say that the data being recieved was the same and then on the other hand say it sounds different.

I have had to do large amounts of copying from device a to b using usb and check the md5 hashes and they were the same using different cables. So from a data point of view, there's no difference that I have found between usb cables.

Kind of a shame really as now there is a greater move in to the digital arena, once respected views from people who were respected for their knowledge are now being called in to question.

That test I linked to reviewed the following cables

http://www.whathifi.com/review/qed-reference

http://www.whathifi.com/review/qed-performance-hdmi

http://www.whathifi.com/review/lindy-premium-hdmi

as an example. In the test they proved that there is no difference, scientifically - especially the part about the colours being the same, yet the reviews on whf appear to say that there are differences.

So that leaves us with the age old argument about expectation bias, placebo effect etc as there really is nothing to differentiate otherwise.

 

[cheeseboy]

tongue in cheek this, but it also goes to show manufacturers will put any old rubbish on cable boxes in the hope that people with think they are buying something "better"

http://www.zdnet.com/this-xbox-hdmi-cable-has-anti-virus-protection-7000001601/

 

[RobinKidderminster]

I wonder how many reviewers agree with the subtle differences observed with different cables before the review goes to press? Food critics have opinions but reviews are presented as 'facts'. Why does this topic keep kicking me in my kidneys? Need my tablets again.Double dose me thinks.

 

[cheeseboy]

I wonder how many reviewers agree with the subtle differences observed with different cables before the review goes to press? Food critics have opinions but reviews are presented as 'facts'. Why does this topic keep kicking me in my kidneys? Need my tablets again.Double dose me thinks.

I am guessing it annoys you because of what you have just said. Reviews being presented as fact, yet there is proof that what is being said is just an opinion and not fact. I tend to think that if somebody can have the conviction to say that cable b at 1 grand gives much deeper and richer colours than cable b then they would want to prove it any way possible, not shy away when somebody offers a scientific method of measuring.

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Nicely said. The article on stands in latest issue was imo a much fairer test of another area where opinion is paramount. The article was honest in making no conclusions. I fear tho that whf evaluate stands elsewhere assigning similar characteristics to those attributed to cables. Rant over. Now if we wanna talk base traps ........

Cheers

 

[cheeseboy]

Now if we wanna talk base traps ........

 

[professorhat]

I have had to do large amounts of copying from device a to b using usb and check the md5 hashes and they were the same using different cables. So from a data point of view, there's no difference that I have found between usb cables.

Without wanting to get involved in your discussion, I would point out that copying files using a computer through USB to another device (e.g. a hard disk) is a completely different process to that used when USB is used to transport music from a device (even a computer) to a DAC. The main one being bullet proof error correction is applied to the first process to ensure data is exactly the same when copied - this can be done because data can be sent in any order and re-sent if necessary because there is no time limit to getting a file on to a USB drive. Streaming music on the other hand requires data sent in a certain order and, if it's corrupt / wrong, the music can't just be paused while the data is resent. Thus two completely different transport methods are used for each.

 

[professorhat]

Food critics have opinions but reviews are presented as 'facts'.

Are they?

 

[relocated]

A couple of months ago Computer Shopper did an exhaustive test on HDMI cables and found that they do the same job every single time, be they a couple of quid or significantly more. Don't think I have ever seen an advert in that mag for 'cables'. :?

To be fair, and I know someone will have an example to prove me wrong, GENERALLY cable manufacturers rarely claim better sound or picture they talk about better manufacture with better and more robust materials. Still no need to make certain claims when other people will claim it on your behalf.

Digital cables are levelling the playing-field, also expense-field, and any magazine or any other peddler of digital cable difference should be willing to undergo independant scrutiny and double-blind testing to establish their abilities. Will NEVER happen though.

I am a cable believer but never heard or seen a difference in a digital cable sound or vision performance.

:help:

 

[moreseric]

Couple months ago i did very simple test of two 15m hdmi cables.

One was very cheap, second middle price. I used two SONY TV (HD ready, nothing special)

one source (sony DVD) to do it.

Results:

Picture on cheap HDMI had a lower saturation of colors, specially red.

Why? I don't know. Maybe because of cable lenght.

I also heard that some cheap hdmi cables doesnt works with 3D signal but didn't check it.

I specially didn't mention cable brands, to not make commercial.

 

[pmarb]

http://www.whathifi.com/review/amazon-basics-hdmi

Seems like everybodys got a price,
I wonder how they sleep at night.
When the sale comes first,
And the truth comes second,
Just stop, for a minute and
Smile

 

[steve_1979]

http://www.whathifi.com/review/amazon-basics-hdmi

"watching showed contrast up, and tones as vivid and day-glo, plus there were issues with motion handling and noise.

The sound, too, was hard and thin with a lack of dynamics, punch or subtlety."

What utter rubbish WHF!

Don't you realise that printing this sort of thing is damaging your credibility?

 

[professorhat]

Again, Steve? How many times will this be?

 

[Anonymous]

I am afraid that it is utter rubbish. A cheap digital cable won't be any worse or better than an expensive one, they are all the same.

 

[professorhat]

Don't be afraid.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't be afraid.

Do you feel like a hero? Coming to the rescue of the magazine, helping to fend off the nasty people that "tell the truth".

 

[Dave_]

Sigh!

Get a life and more importantly get some help, max!

 

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[Paul.]

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[Anonymous]

Sigh! Get a life and more importantly get some help, max!

Heh, so I'm a nasty, truth telling nut case

Whereas of course if I believed in cables, I'd be friendly, perfectly sane and welcome to shout if from the WHF Forum rooftops

I'm sorry Dave, but the likes of Professorhat and now, "the real nutjob" the record spot - continuously pouring scorn on perfectly rationale people who happen to see that WHF are about as honest as a used car salesman, gets on my tuts..

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[Dave_]

Sorry max, your self proclaimed do-gooder act doesn't wash with me. We both know you're a hypocritic, a liar and AVI shill! Seriously seek medical help! You clearly have a (multiple) personality disorder...

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