I can remember car players that played 7inch 45rpm vinyl! These were useless unless the car was stationery.
matthewpiano
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bigboss:
You cannot expect blu-ray sales to be close to DVD sales within 2 years, especially considering blu-ray players were more expensive than DVD players & the recession was on. Although small, the blu-ray sales were definitely encouraging. Yes, it will take a few years for blu-rays to overtake DVDs.
How can you compare 3D format & blu-rays? The 3D format will only complement blu-ray sales. 3D films will come out on blu-rays only & not DVDs. If 3D succeeds, blu-ray sales will accelerate, taking it closer to DVD sales. Blu-ray players from 2010 will be capable of playing both usual 2D blu-ray discs & 3D discs.
Absolutely spot-on.
Blu-ray Disc has already been very successful, to the point where we are now no longer stocking any DVD-based surround sound systems.
The 3D thing is not intended to replace anything. When you actually look, for example, at the 2010 Bravia range, the vast majority of the sets are conventional HD sets. As Bigboss points out the new Blu-Ray players will not make old discs extinct but build on the technology already established. I don't think for one minute that 3D is going to be part of more than a minority of our viewing for many years to come. Rather than a replacement technology, people need to view it as an enhancement that is effective with SOME content, rather than all content. I can't see us sitting down and watching an old b&W movie in 3D any time soon and I don't fancy 3D news either.
As for the HD-DVD Vs Blu-Ray Disc question, yes capacity was one of the main reasons. However, the effect of this was potential for much better interactivity and, ultimately, better picture quality and/or longer playing times. Of course the PS3 had a major effect on the battle but don't forget that there was a HD-DVD add-on for the XBox 360 as well so the argument doesn't entirely hold.
You cannot expect blu-ray sales to be close to DVD sales within 2 years, especially considering blu-ray players were more expensive than DVD players & the recession was on. Although small, the blu-ray sales were definitely encouraging. Yes, it will take a few years for blu-rays to overtake DVDs.
How can you compare 3D format & blu-rays? The 3D format will only complement blu-ray sales. 3D films will come out on blu-rays only & not DVDs. If 3D succeeds, blu-ray sales will accelerate, taking it closer to DVD sales. Blu-ray players from 2010 will be capable of playing both usual 2D blu-ray discs & 3D discs.
Absolutely spot-on.
Blu-ray Disc has already been very successful, to the point where we are now no longer stocking any DVD-based surround sound systems.
The 3D thing is not intended to replace anything. When you actually look, for example, at the 2010 Bravia range, the vast majority of the sets are conventional HD sets. As Bigboss points out the new Blu-Ray players will not make old discs extinct but build on the technology already established. I don't think for one minute that 3D is going to be part of more than a minority of our viewing for many years to come. Rather than a replacement technology, people need to view it as an enhancement that is effective with SOME content, rather than all content. I can't see us sitting down and watching an old b&W movie in 3D any time soon and I don't fancy 3D news either.
As for the HD-DVD Vs Blu-Ray Disc question, yes capacity was one of the main reasons. However, the effect of this was potential for much better interactivity and, ultimately, better picture quality and/or longer playing times. Of course the PS3 had a major effect on the battle but don't forget that there was a HD-DVD add-on for the XBox 360 as well so the argument doesn't entirely hold.
matthewpiano:bigboss:
You cannot expect blu-ray sales to be close to DVD sales within 2 years, especially considering blu-ray players were more expensive than DVD players & the recession was on. Although small, the blu-ray sales were definitely encouraging. Yes, it will take a few years for blu-rays to overtake DVDs.
How can you compare 3D format & blu-rays? The 3D format will only complement blu-ray sales. 3D films will come out on blu-rays only & not DVDs. If 3D succeeds, blu-ray sales will accelerate, taking it closer to DVD sales. Blu-ray players from 2010 will be capable of playing both usual 2D blu-ray discs & 3D discs.
Absolutely spot-on. Blu-ray Disc has already been very successful, to the point where we are now no longer stocking any DVD-based surround sound systems. The 3D thing is not intended to replace anything. When you actually look, for example, at the 2010 Bravia range, the vast majority of the sets are conventional HD sets. As Bigboss points out the new Blu-Ray players will not make old discs extinct but build on the technology already established. I don't think for one minute that 3D is going to be part of more than a minority of our viewing for many years to come. Rather than a replacement technology, people need to view it as an enhancement that is effective with SOME content, rather than all content. I can't see us sitting down and watching an old b&W movie in 3D any time soon and I don't fancy 3D news either. As for the HD-DVD Vs Blu-Ray Disc question, yes capacity was one of the main reasons. However, the effect of this was potential for much better interactivity and, ultimately, better picture quality and/or longer playing times. Of course the PS3 had a major effect on the battle but don't forget that there was a HD-DVD add-on for the XBox 360 as well so the argument doesn't entirely hold.
I dont agree that it was Bluray's technical superiorty that won the day, For the average Joe Public the performance of HDDVD was excellent, it was the studios that pulled the plug. Both systems are essentially play only mediiums, so when the software is withdrawn the player becomes useless. I know HDDDVD titles are still available very cheaply, but it is senseless buying them, as ultimately the player will go wrong and you will have a library of movies and no way of viewing them.
You cannot expect blu-ray sales to be close to DVD sales within 2 years, especially considering blu-ray players were more expensive than DVD players & the recession was on. Although small, the blu-ray sales were definitely encouraging. Yes, it will take a few years for blu-rays to overtake DVDs.
How can you compare 3D format & blu-rays? The 3D format will only complement blu-ray sales. 3D films will come out on blu-rays only & not DVDs. If 3D succeeds, blu-ray sales will accelerate, taking it closer to DVD sales. Blu-ray players from 2010 will be capable of playing both usual 2D blu-ray discs & 3D discs.
Absolutely spot-on. Blu-ray Disc has already been very successful, to the point where we are now no longer stocking any DVD-based surround sound systems. The 3D thing is not intended to replace anything. When you actually look, for example, at the 2010 Bravia range, the vast majority of the sets are conventional HD sets. As Bigboss points out the new Blu-Ray players will not make old discs extinct but build on the technology already established. I don't think for one minute that 3D is going to be part of more than a minority of our viewing for many years to come. Rather than a replacement technology, people need to view it as an enhancement that is effective with SOME content, rather than all content. I can't see us sitting down and watching an old b&W movie in 3D any time soon and I don't fancy 3D news either. As for the HD-DVD Vs Blu-Ray Disc question, yes capacity was one of the main reasons. However, the effect of this was potential for much better interactivity and, ultimately, better picture quality and/or longer playing times. Of course the PS3 had a major effect on the battle but don't forget that there was a HD-DVD add-on for the XBox 360 as well so the argument doesn't entirely hold.
I dont agree that it was Bluray's technical superiorty that won the day, For the average Joe Public the performance of HDDVD was excellent, it was the studios that pulled the plug. Both systems are essentially play only mediiums, so when the software is withdrawn the player becomes useless. I know HDDDVD titles are still available very cheaply, but it is senseless buying them, as ultimately the player will go wrong and you will have a library of movies and no way of viewing them.
sonycentre
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Well i use both formats,blu-ray and hd-dvd and i still love hd-dvd,blu-ray won for reasons of the ps3 end of,when you think of it bd-live is just a portal of u-control that was on hd-dvd.And i still buy hd-dvd discs.Just had pat metheny group-the way up-live,and it looks and sounds stunning.
nads
Well-known member
stefanr:matthewpiano:HD-DVD failed because it wasn't as good as Blu-Ray Disc.
Elaborate....
Btw, I know but other's may not.
1 Sony was not going to lose again
2 it offered the studios the option to region code
not all studios region code and Blu is still not a finished format.
yep the better format won again.
Elaborate....
Btw, I know but other's may not.
1 Sony was not going to lose again
2 it offered the studios the option to region code
not all studios region code and Blu is still not a finished format.
yep the better format won again.
DAT went the way of the dodo for data backup because of the limited capacity and incredibly slow speed.
I have, still, a SCSI-DDS2 DAT recorder in the wardrobe next to my equally antiquarian and equally unused for 10 years now Sun Sparcstation 5 UNIX workstation. I think at most I could squeeze 4 GB of compressed data onto a single tape, somewhat less than a recordable DVD. A 4 GB compress and backup could take a whole weekend to boot! Also, given hard disks now come in terabyte capacities, backing up one of those babies would require, what, 250 DAT tapes to backup uncmpressed, maybe a mere 100 compressed? Far wiser these days to have a basic RAID array or merely an external hard disk drive you can lock away at night.
I have, still, a SCSI-DDS2 DAT recorder in the wardrobe next to my equally antiquarian and equally unused for 10 years now Sun Sparcstation 5 UNIX workstation. I think at most I could squeeze 4 GB of compressed data onto a single tape, somewhat less than a recordable DVD. A 4 GB compress and backup could take a whole weekend to boot! Also, given hard disks now come in terabyte capacities, backing up one of those babies would require, what, 250 DAT tapes to backup uncmpressed, maybe a mere 100 compressed? Far wiser these days to have a basic RAID array or merely an external hard disk drive you can lock away at night.
DAT was never a mass consumer success because the recording industry would have nothing to do with it, as they were afraid of unauthorised copying. As a result the inferior compact cassette ruled supreme
Yeah only tohsiba was supporting HD DVD's in a big way, the rest were jumping on the blu ray bangwagon, but were very dodgy to begin with - with a normal player, the best way to get it was a games console, but in terms of picture quality both were very good. The last toshiba hd dvd players were very good.
nads:
stefanr:matthewpiano:HD-DVD failed because it wasn't as good as Blu-Ray Disc.
Elaborate....
Btw, I know but other's may not.
1 Sony was not going to lose again
2 it offered the studios the option to region code
not all studios region code and Blu is still not a finished format.
yep the better format won again.
Those were some of the reasons, along with the BD disc surface was more durable because of its Durabis coating which is a lot harder, more durable and so allowed a thinner coating which in turn allowed the data surface to be a mere 0.1mm beneath the surface. Thus, allowing extra layers for extra storage, hence the larger disc capacity with a theoretical limit of 200GB. Although this, other than for business data purposes, probably won't be used to it's maximum as more online (BD live) content becomes available.
I returned so many HD-DVD's from Lovefilm because they were unplayable even though there was only a few minute scratches on the surface. So the potential for the rental market was a lot bigger with BD.
The game (as mentioned with Sony) and the porn industry also supported BD and with some games grossing more than films... well, an obvious choice. Although the latter (porn) will probably falter as more and more of this type of content is already been accessed over the internet rather than physical copies.
I also think, along with others, that there may also have been a cash incentive to those involved in HD-DVD to swap sides.... the conspiracy theory I know, but nobody is going to own up are they.
stefanr:matthewpiano:HD-DVD failed because it wasn't as good as Blu-Ray Disc.
Elaborate....
Btw, I know but other's may not.
1 Sony was not going to lose again
2 it offered the studios the option to region code
not all studios region code and Blu is still not a finished format.
yep the better format won again.
Those were some of the reasons, along with the BD disc surface was more durable because of its Durabis coating which is a lot harder, more durable and so allowed a thinner coating which in turn allowed the data surface to be a mere 0.1mm beneath the surface. Thus, allowing extra layers for extra storage, hence the larger disc capacity with a theoretical limit of 200GB. Although this, other than for business data purposes, probably won't be used to it's maximum as more online (BD live) content becomes available.
I returned so many HD-DVD's from Lovefilm because they were unplayable even though there was only a few minute scratches on the surface. So the potential for the rental market was a lot bigger with BD.
The game (as mentioned with Sony) and the porn industry also supported BD and with some games grossing more than films... well, an obvious choice. Although the latter (porn) will probably falter as more and more of this type of content is already been accessed over the internet rather than physical copies.
I also think, along with others, that there may also have been a cash incentive to those involved in HD-DVD to swap sides.... the conspiracy theory I know, but nobody is going to own up are they.
tvspecv:
well the investments going into 3-d will surely not let it fail?
In the end joe public will decide. They will be whipped aong by the marketing boys but they will make up their own minds.
Look at windows Vista - big marketing hype for a cheap product and most people stuck to XP or even reverted to XP after trying it.
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
well the investments going into 3-d will surely not let it fail?
In the end joe public will decide. They will be whipped aong by the marketing boys but they will make up their own minds.
Look at windows Vista - big marketing hype for a cheap product and most people stuck to XP or even reverted to XP after trying it.
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
stefanr:
I returned so many HD-DVD's from Lovefilm because they were unplayable even though there was only a few minute scratches on the surface. So the potential for the rental market was a lot bigger with BD.The game (as mentioned with Sony) and the porn industry also supported BD and with some games grossing more than films... well, an obvious choice. Although the latter (porn) will probably falter as more and more of this type of content is already been accessed over the internet rather than physical copies.I also think, along with others, that there may also have been a cash incentive to those involved in HD-DVD to swap sides.... the conspiracy theory I know, but nobody is going to own up are they.
This was one thing I found. I have an add-on HD-DVD drive for my Xbox and before I bought a blu-ray player I rented loads of HD-DVD discs from Lovefilm and found that 4 out of 5 (I now it sound like I'm exaggerating but i'm really not) of them wouldn't play from beginning to end without issue. Most of these had such insignificant scratching that surely an SD DVD in the same state wouldn't even dream of skipping. By stark contrast I've now rented easily in excess of a hundred Blu-rays and I've only had 1 title that didn't play correctly. Granted some of them need a clean, but I think this is mainly because a lot of PS3 renters have no remedy but to grab the disc firmly to pull it out of the slot drive- those things are a bit sticky.
I returned so many HD-DVD's from Lovefilm because they were unplayable even though there was only a few minute scratches on the surface. So the potential for the rental market was a lot bigger with BD.The game (as mentioned with Sony) and the porn industry also supported BD and with some games grossing more than films... well, an obvious choice. Although the latter (porn) will probably falter as more and more of this type of content is already been accessed over the internet rather than physical copies.I also think, along with others, that there may also have been a cash incentive to those involved in HD-DVD to swap sides.... the conspiracy theory I know, but nobody is going to own up are they.
This was one thing I found. I have an add-on HD-DVD drive for my Xbox and before I bought a blu-ray player I rented loads of HD-DVD discs from Lovefilm and found that 4 out of 5 (I now it sound like I'm exaggerating but i'm really not) of them wouldn't play from beginning to end without issue. Most of these had such insignificant scratching that surely an SD DVD in the same state wouldn't even dream of skipping. By stark contrast I've now rented easily in excess of a hundred Blu-rays and I've only had 1 title that didn't play correctly. Granted some of them need a clean, but I think this is mainly because a lot of PS3 renters have no remedy but to grab the disc firmly to pull it out of the slot drive- those things are a bit sticky.
welshboy:
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
I think this is generally true for the UK market, but the UK did join the HDTV party extremely late compared to most of the world. You could scarcely by an HDTV here before 2006, but they've been selling in quantity in Japan, the US, Australia etc. since 2000. TBH I was baffled why this country, which has a healthy appetite for technology, was so late in joining the HD party. About the only first-world country I can think of that took longer to adopt HD was Spain, and only by about a year. So while most UK consumers have only had HD tellies for a couple of years, a lot of people in the rest of the world have had them for closer to a decade and are well enough ready for a new set and some cool new feature to push them to upgrade. And as far as the big electronic manufacturers are concerned, the UK market isn't a big enough market to determine what the rest of the world may or may not be ready for.
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
I think this is generally true for the UK market, but the UK did join the HDTV party extremely late compared to most of the world. You could scarcely by an HDTV here before 2006, but they've been selling in quantity in Japan, the US, Australia etc. since 2000. TBH I was baffled why this country, which has a healthy appetite for technology, was so late in joining the HD party. About the only first-world country I can think of that took longer to adopt HD was Spain, and only by about a year. So while most UK consumers have only had HD tellies for a couple of years, a lot of people in the rest of the world have had them for closer to a decade and are well enough ready for a new set and some cool new feature to push them to upgrade. And as far as the big electronic manufacturers are concerned, the UK market isn't a big enough market to determine what the rest of the world may or may not be ready for.
manicm
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matthewpiano - as far as I read up on AV quality HD-DVD was every bit (no pun intended) as BR. And as a format it was much better resolved from the get-go. The only thing it lacked was the higher disc capacity which is still a non-issue. I speak as a BR owner.
Many say DVD-A has superior sonics to SACD, but its implementation was poor.
Many say DVD-A has superior sonics to SACD, but its implementation was poor.
manicm
Well-known member
bigboss - i don't think it's much to do with the recession. It's the law of diminishing returns.
Many people spent frightening sums on top-notch DVD players and displays - why would they then cough up for BR?
And given DVD seems to be hanging on for longer than Sony et al would like BR sales may never take off to the heights of DVD.
The only reason I went BR is because there were no widescreen CRTs (or either rare and very expensive) sets being sold in my country.
If I had a widescreen CRT, I would have stuck it out.
Many people spent frightening sums on top-notch DVD players and displays - why would they then cough up for BR?
And given DVD seems to be hanging on for longer than Sony et al would like BR sales may never take off to the heights of DVD.
The only reason I went BR is because there were no widescreen CRTs (or either rare and very expensive) sets being sold in my country.
If I had a widescreen CRT, I would have stuck it out.
manicm
Well-known member
Well, let's see:
People have just spent a fortune on a new BR system, so they're now going to flog it for 3D? I don't think so.
So now let's take the best-case scenario - those are still stuck on DVD/CRT. Will Average Joe (I include myself in this) be willing to spend a fortune on intially very expensive 3D displays? And considering not every Joe will see value in 3D, I don't think so.
Right now, the value of general BR value is not great. And I am a newish BR system owner.
People have just spent a fortune on a new BR system, so they're now going to flog it for 3D? I don't think so.
So now let's take the best-case scenario - those are still stuck on DVD/CRT. Will Average Joe (I include myself in this) be willing to spend a fortune on intially very expensive 3D displays? And considering not every Joe will see value in 3D, I don't think so.
Right now, the value of general BR value is not great. And I am a newish BR system owner.
manicm
Well-known member
matthewpiano - I would disagree with you when you say 3D BR is not meant to replace anything.
Sony et al would like those new to Home Theatre to go to 3D directly if they had their way.
They're not into World Hunger, they're into the bottom line.
Let's not fool ourselves here.
Sony et al would like those new to Home Theatre to go to 3D directly if they had their way.
They're not into World Hunger, they're into the bottom line.
Let's not fool ourselves here.
Has anyone mentioned quadraphonic records yet?
I predict, using my crystal ball, 3D HDTV will be about as successful.
I predict, using my crystal ball, 3D HDTV will be about as successful.
welshboy:tvspecv:
well the investments going into 3-d will surely not let it fail?
In the end joe public will decide. They will be whipped aong by the marketing boys but they will make up their own minds.
Look at windows Vista - big marketing hype for a cheap product and most people stuck to XP or even reverted to XP after trying it.
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
Great post, I agree with everything you say.
In response to your question about being the wrong time, I think you are spot on, i'm still getting to grips with blu ray.
It will be interesting to read and look at know.
well the investments going into 3-d will surely not let it fail?
In the end joe public will decide. They will be whipped aong by the marketing boys but they will make up their own minds.
Look at windows Vista - big marketing hype for a cheap product and most people stuck to XP or even reverted to XP after trying it.
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
Great post, I agree with everything you say.
In response to your question about being the wrong time, I think you are spot on, i'm still getting to grips with blu ray.
It will be interesting to read and look at know.
idc
Well-known member
welshboy:tvspecv:
well the investments going into 3-d will surely not let it fail?
In the end joe public will decide. They will be whipped aong by the marketing boys but they will make up their own minds.
Look at windows Vista - big marketing hype for a cheap product and most people stuck to XP or even reverted to XP after trying it.
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
3D tv reminds me of whem mobile phones were first launched .... many complained saying they would never get one as it was too expensive, caused brain cancer etc etc
was not long after that, prices dropped and people even started buying their 7 year old children mobile phones
was the same with microwave ovens .... many people said they would never buy one
so, I don't think it will fail .... technology will get better and prices will drop as soon as they sell loads
well the investments going into 3-d will surely not let it fail?
In the end joe public will decide. They will be whipped aong by the marketing boys but they will make up their own minds.
Look at windows Vista - big marketing hype for a cheap product and most people stuck to XP or even reverted to XP after trying it.
3D TV - Is it the wrong moment I wonder? A lot of UK households have probably just bought a TV in the last 1-2 years because of the (botched for so many reasons) digital switchover. Many of them will have perhaps also bought a 2D blu-ray player in the hope that Blu Rau might get to be a reasonable price sometime soon. Can't see too many people forking out for a load of new kit so quickly. Most expect their telly to last what 5-6 years? Some will see the changing of standards quite so fast as cynical marketing and will therefore resist. some will point out that broadcast content is getting worse by the day so will not be interested in seeing their hard earned wasted. Older folks will remember 3D from the first time around and will conclude (due to the glasses) that it was pants then so it'll still be pants now.
Personally until somebody figures out affordable and workable holographic projection then I think 2D will rule.
3D tv reminds me of whem mobile phones were first launched .... many complained saying they would never get one as it was too expensive, caused brain cancer etc etc
was not long after that, prices dropped and people even started buying their 7 year old children mobile phones
was the same with microwave ovens .... many people said they would never buy one
so, I don't think it will fail .... technology will get better and prices will drop as soon as they sell loads
The only reason blu ray won the war was because it was implemented into the ps3. Where was no choice for the ps3 customer but to adopt the technology and once you have it you may as well try it. I have the Xbox Add on and i believe Microsoft half heartedly adopted the technology because it had its own plans of digital downloads on the xbox live service. If the Xbox 360 had the HD DVD drive built in then i firmly believe it could have won the format war..after all the console was released way before the PS3.
As for HD DVD discs, i have quite a few and they all work perfectly fine with the xbox add on, not even one that doesnt work. Even BD discs have problems with certain players.
I dont think BD will last as long as dvd because the internet is getting faster and faster and that really makes digital downloads as a very good option..maybe even cheaper due to the lack of physical media. Only problem is the UK way behind in broadband connections in terms of price and speed when compared to some other countries.
As for HD DVD discs, i have quite a few and they all work perfectly fine with the xbox add on, not even one that doesnt work. Even BD discs have problems with certain players.
I dont think BD will last as long as dvd because the internet is getting faster and faster and that really makes digital downloads as a very good option..maybe even cheaper due to the lack of physical media. Only problem is the UK way behind in broadband connections in terms of price and speed when compared to some other countries.
Ginder:
The only reason blu ray won the war was because it was implemented into the ps3. Where was no choice for the ps3 customer but to adopt the technology and once you have it you may as well try it. I have the Xbox Add on and i believe Microsoft half heartedly adopted the technology because it had its own plans of digital downloads on the xbox live service. If the Xbox 360 had the HD DVD drive built in then i firmly believe it could have won the format war..after all the console was released way before the PS3.
As for HD DVD discs, i have quite a few and they all work perfectly fine with the xbox add on, not even one that doesnt work. Even BD discs have problems with certain players.
I dont think BD will last as long as dvd because the internet is getting faster and faster and that really makes digital downloads as a very good option..maybe even cheaper due to the lack of physical media. Only problem is the UK way behind in broadband connections in terms of price and speed when compared to some other countries.
I disagree with this theory as to why Blu-ray won the format war. I think the hardware did not tip the scales the way many people think. Hardware can play a part but ultimately the only reason you buy hardware is to play the software. As with the previous format war back in 1997 of DVD vs DIVX, the war was won by the format that had the greater studio support. In the latest round of HD-DVD vs Blu-ray the scales were quite heavily tipped in this regard, far more so than the DVD/DIVX days. There was only one studio that exclusively supported HD-DVD, Universal, while Blu-ray had Disney, Fox, Lionsgate, and (of course) Sony. Warner sat on the fence between the two, and Paramount was famous for starting as a blu-studio then switching to red after receiving a $150m payment from Toshiba to switch sides. So, while yes the PS3 was a gateway device to get a few extra BD readers in people's homes who weren't looking to buy a HD disc drive particularly in the first place, Blu-ray was always destined to win by the power of software availability and the strength of the exclusive catalogues. We shouldn't forget that when we look at hardware, Toshiba was heavily subsidising their players to severely undercut the prices of Blu-ray players whose manufacturers (excepting Sony) didn't have a financial interest in the ultimate success of the format and had to produce profits on player sales. The Tosh HD-DVD players were quite a bit less expensive than the PS3 which was the cheapest Blu-ray player by some margin for some time while the war was raging.
The only reason blu ray won the war was because it was implemented into the ps3. Where was no choice for the ps3 customer but to adopt the technology and once you have it you may as well try it. I have the Xbox Add on and i believe Microsoft half heartedly adopted the technology because it had its own plans of digital downloads on the xbox live service. If the Xbox 360 had the HD DVD drive built in then i firmly believe it could have won the format war..after all the console was released way before the PS3.
As for HD DVD discs, i have quite a few and they all work perfectly fine with the xbox add on, not even one that doesnt work. Even BD discs have problems with certain players.
I dont think BD will last as long as dvd because the internet is getting faster and faster and that really makes digital downloads as a very good option..maybe even cheaper due to the lack of physical media. Only problem is the UK way behind in broadband connections in terms of price and speed when compared to some other countries.
I disagree with this theory as to why Blu-ray won the format war. I think the hardware did not tip the scales the way many people think. Hardware can play a part but ultimately the only reason you buy hardware is to play the software. As with the previous format war back in 1997 of DVD vs DIVX, the war was won by the format that had the greater studio support. In the latest round of HD-DVD vs Blu-ray the scales were quite heavily tipped in this regard, far more so than the DVD/DIVX days. There was only one studio that exclusively supported HD-DVD, Universal, while Blu-ray had Disney, Fox, Lionsgate, and (of course) Sony. Warner sat on the fence between the two, and Paramount was famous for starting as a blu-studio then switching to red after receiving a $150m payment from Toshiba to switch sides. So, while yes the PS3 was a gateway device to get a few extra BD readers in people's homes who weren't looking to buy a HD disc drive particularly in the first place, Blu-ray was always destined to win by the power of software availability and the strength of the exclusive catalogues. We shouldn't forget that when we look at hardware, Toshiba was heavily subsidising their players to severely undercut the prices of Blu-ray players whose manufacturers (excepting Sony) didn't have a financial interest in the ultimate success of the format and had to produce profits on player sales. The Tosh HD-DVD players were quite a bit less expensive than the PS3 which was the cheapest Blu-ray player by some margin for some time while the war was raging.
Tonya
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There is a very simple reason why so many excellent formats and products fail.
I buy them and somehow it's the kiss of death.
It's a worrying trend that I first noticed in the seventies.
When a JVC video disc system called VHD entered my life, it made a swift exit from the marketplace.
8 track cartridge had quite a good run right up to the day it hit my dashboard.
Sony's ElCaset also met a similar demise mere months after getting unpacked.
Commercial tradgedy struck again when my Sony DTC-690 DAT player claimed it's place in my rack.
Laserdisc was a very popular format that endured for years until the day I unwrapped my 100th disc.
Philips was on a potential winner with it's CDi and DCC formats until I bought them.
On the sat front, D2Mac and BSB were gone shortly after installation at my house.
I think it was me who bought the very last rear projection TV ever made.
Hi-8 video cameras had a promising future until the day I upgarded my trusty 8mm video setup.
Sometimes I feel almost responsible for the Sony Corporation's recent difficulties.
MiniDisc was a roaring success until one cold December morn when I handed my cash over to a smirking salesman in Tottenham Court Road, who I'm convinced to this day knew it was the very last one to be sold before it's demise.
The only thing that is incomprehensible is the fact that I never did go for HD-DVD, that managed to mess up on it's own for some reason.
If anyone from Sony is reading this thread, I'm convinced that the only way your new 3D TV format will survive in this world is to donate one to me as if I open my wallet and buy one on launch day then you may as well shut down the production line. ;-)
Consider this a warning, Sir Howard Stringer, don't take any chances.
Millions of pounds are at stake.
The details for delivery are available on request.
Please make it a 52" and the best time to drop it off would be Wednesday after 2pm.
I buy them and somehow it's the kiss of death.
It's a worrying trend that I first noticed in the seventies.
When a JVC video disc system called VHD entered my life, it made a swift exit from the marketplace.
8 track cartridge had quite a good run right up to the day it hit my dashboard.
Sony's ElCaset also met a similar demise mere months after getting unpacked.
Commercial tradgedy struck again when my Sony DTC-690 DAT player claimed it's place in my rack.
Laserdisc was a very popular format that endured for years until the day I unwrapped my 100th disc.
Philips was on a potential winner with it's CDi and DCC formats until I bought them.
On the sat front, D2Mac and BSB were gone shortly after installation at my house.
I think it was me who bought the very last rear projection TV ever made.
Hi-8 video cameras had a promising future until the day I upgarded my trusty 8mm video setup.
Sometimes I feel almost responsible for the Sony Corporation's recent difficulties.
MiniDisc was a roaring success until one cold December morn when I handed my cash over to a smirking salesman in Tottenham Court Road, who I'm convinced to this day knew it was the very last one to be sold before it's demise.
The only thing that is incomprehensible is the fact that I never did go for HD-DVD, that managed to mess up on it's own for some reason.
If anyone from Sony is reading this thread, I'm convinced that the only way your new 3D TV format will survive in this world is to donate one to me as if I open my wallet and buy one on launch day then you may as well shut down the production line. ;-)
Consider this a warning, Sir Howard Stringer, don't take any chances.
Millions of pounds are at stake.
The details for delivery are available on request.
Please make it a 52" and the best time to drop it off would be Wednesday after 2pm.
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