DTS CORE vs. DTS HD MA ( Should i Buy a new AVR ? )

[rana_kirti]

Guys,

My intention is to compare DTS found on a DVD Disc vs DTS Core and DTS HD MA found on a Bluray Disc.

1. So far my testing seems to say that the 1.5 mbps DTS Core of the Bluray Disc is "Superior by a Big Margin" to the 740 kpbs DTS of the Regular DVD.

But i can't test a DTS HD MA vs. DTS CORE since i dont have a modern HD Audio decoding AVR.

2. Can anyone who has heard both from a same Bluray Disc comment on how much Superior is the DTS HD MA vs DTS Core ( Both found on a Bluray Disc )

Answers to No. 2 is important for me to figure out as i'm planning to get a Bluray player. I'm quite happy with the sound of my current AVR Yamaha RX V450.

I believe the RX V450 can transfer and decode the DTS CORE 1.5 Mbps from a Bluray Disc via optical cable.

So if DTS HD MA is better than DTS Core by a "Huge/Significant" margin then i'll buy a New Modern AVR capable of decoding the DTS HD MA.

However if the difference between DTS HD MA and DTS Core is not much than i'll continue with my existing AVR.

That's my dilemma.....

Thanks

 

[sta99y]

hi pls check my sig for my setup. my understanding is to get DTS CORE you will need a bluray player which will re-encode such as Samsung or like my LG. my LG BD has analogue outs which pop into my multichannel input on my yammy amp. to listen to DVD I allow amp to decode and sounds great, for BD I allow BD Player decode and amp just amplifies the HD sound. it sounds detailed but with no weight behind it if you understand? not sure if it's down to a £20 RCA set of leads as sometimes the bass can distort my speaker at low volume, but if I allow the amp to decode the sound it's fantastic, weight, detailed precise and can run sweet at 85db.

 

[bigboss]

Did you not already ask the same question before??

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/dts-core-vs-dts-hd-ma-should-i-buy-a-new-avr

What's the point of posting the same question again?

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Did you not already ask the same question before??

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/dts-core-vs-dts-hd-ma-should-i-buy-a-new-avr

What's the point of posting the same question again?

Hi bigboss

Because he is bad & you love it

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[rana_kirti]

Did you not already ask the same question before??

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/dts-core-vs-dts-hd-ma-should-i-buy-a-new-avr

What's the point of posting the same question again?

you are right.... i must have been extremely jetlagged due to my long flight to not have realised the same....

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Hi bigboss

Because he is bad & you love it

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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So Rick ji....

Kaise ho aap....?

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Did you not already ask the same question before??

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/dts-core-vs-dts-hd-ma-should-i-buy-a-new-avr

What's the point of posting the same question again?

you are right.... i must have been extremely jetlagged due to my long flight to not have realised the same....

Hi bigboss

Because he is bad & you love it

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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So Rick ji....

Kaise ho aap....?

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Accha subaha rana_kirti

I am fine thanks.

I thought you had made your mind up on a RX-V2067 a while ago.

bada mem

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Did you not already ask the same question before??

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/dts-core-vs-dts-hd-ma-should-i-buy-a-new-avr

What's the point of posting the same question again?

you are right.... i must have been extremely jetlagged due to my long flight to not have realised the same....

Hi bigboss

Because he is bad & you love it

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

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So Rick ji....

Kaise ho aap....?

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Accha subaha rana_kirti

I am fine thanks.

I thought you had made your mind up on a RX-V2067 a while ago.

bada mem

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[d4v3pum4]

HDMI will have been superceded by the time he decides on a receiver.

 

[rana_kirti]

@ Rick

yep i'm pretty much set on the 2067... just had a few queries before i make the purchase.

@ d4v3pim4

you have a good sense of humour buddy.....

guys,

thanks for a detailed discussion on this topic.... i've got a learn a lot with the same. Although i guess we have still not reached a conclusion as to whether DTS HD MA sounds way better than DTS Core ( both found on same Bluray Disc ) there is something else which i'd like to ask here....

My AVR is 6 yrs old and i guess it's accurate to say that the RX V450 when it was sold new in 2005 must have been in the "entry level" range.

So keeping the DTS HD MA vs. DTS Core discussion aside for a moment, would it make a huge/significant difference to general performance if i simply got one of the newer "middle level" models like the RX V 2067 ?

I mean will the RX V 2067 ( or a equivalent "middle range avr" from another brand like say maybe NAD T747, Onkyo 808 etc ) make a significant improvement which i can hear over my current ageing RX V450 ?

If the answer to above is a Empathetic/Resounding "Yes".... then it makes sense for me to get a new AVR and by default that will also give me hdmi, hd audio decoding, auto room calibaration etc.

But it the answer is "No" then i might as well stick to my RX V450 which i believe can atleast decode "DTS Core" via optical cable from a bluray player. ( is that correct ? )

A midrange AVR like the Yamaha RX V2067, NAD T 747, Onkyo 808 etc will cost me at least in the region of about £ 750.00 to £ 850.00

So does £ 750.00 to £ 850.00 brings me a Huge jump in sound quality over my RX V450 ?

 

[professorhat]

I certainly believe AV receivers have come a long way in that time, but the best way to decide this is to take your old Yamaha to a dealer and audition it against the 2067 using the same set of speakers. You'll then get an accurate picture in your head of how the two compare so you can decide if the upgrade is worthwhile. You'll also be able to do your own comparisons on DTS and DTS HD MA.

 

[bigboss]

As far as I remember, the OP lives in a country (?India) where a demo will not be possible. I can understand that, being from India myself. Home cinema system is just about evolving there, & the shops that sell them are usually the likes of Currys etc.

I'll just copy-paste what I said in the previous similar thread:

1) You can get your blu-ray player to decode HD audio. Then you won't need to invest in a new AVR. Get a player with analogue outs.

2) DTS MA HD is clearly superior to DTS core. The difference is night & day. This was one of the first things I noticed when I upgraded my home cinema system. Of course, it depends on the rest of your home cinema system as the speakers / AVR should be good enough to show the difference.

 

[d4v3pum4]

Although i guess we have still not reached a conclusion as to whether DTS HD MA sounds way better than DTS Core ( both found on same Bluray Disc ) there is something else which i'd like to ask here....The only person that has to be convinced is you. I don't understand how you reach the conclusion that the latest HD audio formats are not "way better" than DTS Core for example. I would imagine that most are in agreement that they are but obviously the difference gets larger with better equipment. In your case, upgrading from a low end model to a high end current model should give you a significant increase in performance but we don't have your ears so can't make the decision for you. If you can't demo, take a chance. Trust me it will be worth it.My AVR is 6 yrs old and i guess it's accurate to say that the RX V450 when it was sold new in 2005 must have been in the "entry level" range.

So keeping the DTS HD MA vs. DTS Core discussion aside for a moment, would it make a huge/significant difference to general performance if i simply got one of the newer "middle level" models like the RX V 2067 ?

I mean will the RX V 2067 ( or a equivalent "middle range avr" from another brand like say maybe NAD T747, Onkyo 808 etc ) make a significant improvement which i can hear over my current ageing RX V450 ?

If the answer to above is a Empathetic/Resounding "Yes".... then it makes sense for me to get a new AVR and by default that will also give me hdmi, hd audio decoding, auto room calibaration etc.

But it the answer is "No" then i might as well stick to my RX V450 which i believe can atleast decode "DTS Core" via optical cable from a bluray player. ( is that correct ? )Why do you keep asking questions that only you can answer? It's your ears and your money.

Get your credit card out and buy a RX-V2067!

 

[rana_kirti]

a question's been wondering me.....

Which AVR would be the equivalent of the RX V 450 in the current Yamaha's 2010 range ?

 

[d4v3pum4]

One that cost a similar amount in relation to today's money. One that fits into the current line up where yours fitted into the old lineup. Therefore 467 / 567 at a guess.

 

[bigboss]

I think it's the RX-V467.

EDIT: Beat me to it!

 

[rana_kirti]

hmmm not even equal to a 667....

i think now i truly understand where my avr is in comparision to the V 2067. I'm sure there are diferrent level/price of AVR's for a reason and the costlier ones should perform significantly better.

Anyone heard the 467/567/667 vs. 2067 with the same set of speakers ? I;m sure there should is vast scale difference in level of performance.....

 

[bigboss]

It really depends on your speakers. For example, if you're comparing the receivers with Monitor Audio Apex speakers, there will be a vast difference. If you're using budget speakers, not so much.

The speakers should be capable of bring the best out of your receiver.

Which speakers are you thinking of?

 

[rana_kirti]

my speakers are the PSB Image B6 based 5.0 setup with a SVS pc 12 nsd subwoofer. The PSB is a canadian brand with a neutral/natural kind of sound.

As far as performance and price level goes the PSB Image B6 would be equivalent in performance to the British makes like the B&W 685 based 5.1 and the MA RX 1 based 5.1 setup.

So will this level of speakers show a difference between a 667 and a 2067 ?

 

[professorhat]

I would think so personally.

 

[bigboss]

Agreed. You should hear a significant difference.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

@ Rick

yep i'm pretty much set on the 2067... just had a few queries before i make the purchase

Hi rana_kirti

Trust you to come up with the best Avatar 8) I'M BAD & YOU LOVE IT

rana i feel you've reached star status in a short period of time :bigsmile:

Btw, RX-V2067

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[rana_kirti]

today was a glorious day... i called up my local yamaha dealer and he told me he had the V 667 and V 1900 available for demo.

I went to the store and he had them connected to a Yamaha speakers.. i guess they wer savoy models.

I carried my dvds and first he played the V 667. It had very good sound with good separation, effects but i felt it sounded a littel hrash and felt it was struggling to do what it was doing...

then he connected the V 1900 and i played the same clips again. The difference was pretty eveident. The sound now was more clean, effortless and smoother...!!!

It's like a car engine running at 60 mph in 3rd gear feels a little strained and rough and the moment we slot in the 4th gear the engine suddenly feels a lot more relaxed and smoother....

So now i know and believe that more power in an AVR makes a Significant difference and that in my situation going from 6 yr old RX V450 to RX V1900 or RX V 2067 will get me a significant upgrade in sound...!!

 

[professorhat]

Hurrah!

 

[rana_kirti]

yipeee....

although i'm quite keen on the V 2067 i read that the replacement for the 1900 was the 2065 and it seems that yamaha reduced the weight of the 2065 and also put a lesser quality power supply.

it seems a the quality went down after the 1900. Is that true ?

and have yamaha corrected these problems with the 2067 range....?

 

[Anonymous]

yipeee....

although i'm quite keen on the V 2067 i read that the replacement for the 1900 was the 2065 and it seems that yamaha reduced the weight of the 2065 and also put a lesser quality power supply.

it seems a the quality went down after the 1900. Is that true ?

and have yamaha corrected these problems with the 2067 range....?

I'd say quality wise thats a no - I can't see any reason you could say the latest range is lower quality than the 1800/1900/3800/3900/Z7 etc - in fact to me from reviews, internal shots of layout and build quality, components used etc they look an improvement so much so I've been tempted with a 3067 myself

that said - considering you can get the last range of Onkyos cheap - it makes for a hard decision for me - you can pick up a Onkyo 1007 for 799 brand new, thats a lot of power (very poweful av amplifier for the price), features etc for the price

note the 1007 is probably more equivalent to the 3008 than the 1008