Is it me or is everyone else's impression as well that there was nothing really new at CES? The big manufacturers just announced what they consider improved plasmas and LEDs (slimmer, with fancy new processing technologies, better blacks, higher contrast, better internet connectivity etc) but nothing really revolutionary. OLED at big screen sizes remains a possibility in the future and there was nothing else to get enthusiasts excited. I felt very disappointed as I was expecting something to replace my Kuro this year but it seems I'll have to wait for another year. And I didn't see anyone addressing the issue of crosstalk with LCD. There was no mention from the big names of doing something to eliminate what was the biggest problem with 3D in its first year.
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Other, of course, than LG, which made a stated commitment to phase out active-shutter 3D TV in favour of passive designs, which don't suffer from crosstalk at all...
Personally I think there's some good evolution (not revolution) of TVs this year; looking forward to testing them, as there were some good-looking sets/specifications on offer.
PS - As you're obviously trade (because consumers can't attend CES), please amend your signature as per House Rules.
Personally I think there's some good evolution (not revolution) of TVs this year; looking forward to testing them, as there were some good-looking sets/specifications on offer.
PS - As you're obviously trade (because consumers can't attend CES), please amend your signature as per House Rules.
I'm a consumer who's been following the announcements from CES from various technology sites.
LG are moving to passive designs but the rest are saying that is much inferior to active shutter designs? What do you think?
And specifications look good but is there anything that much different from last year? One that will make a good difference in actual picture quality?
The impression I get is there wasn't anything like that.
LG are moving to passive designs but the rest are saying that is much inferior to active shutter designs? What do you think?
And specifications look good but is there anything that much different from last year? One that will make a good difference in actual picture quality?
The impression I get is there wasn't anything like that.
Ah, I see.
I saw some very promising new sets; yes, nothing revolutionary, but then 2010 had some exceptional TVs on offer. I'll reserve judgement on how far 2011's crop have progressed in terms of performance when we get them in our test rooms and compare them side by side with their predecessors. Sometimes a simple tweak in spec is enough to make a product stand out from the crowd...
And going back to 3D. LG's decision is informed by a vast amount of consumer research it's done (and the fact that many of the arguments the active-shutter brigade are making re resolution are rendered moot by the majorty of 3D content being availble via TV rather than Blu-ray).
I saw some very promising new sets; yes, nothing revolutionary, but then 2010 had some exceptional TVs on offer. I'll reserve judgement on how far 2011's crop have progressed in terms of performance when we get them in our test rooms and compare them side by side with their predecessors. Sometimes a simple tweak in spec is enough to make a product stand out from the crowd...
And going back to 3D. LG's decision is informed by a vast amount of consumer research it's done (and the fact that many of the arguments the active-shutter brigade are making re resolution are rendered moot by the majorty of 3D content being availble via TV rather than Blu-ray).
No major announcements is a good thing for somebody like me. If I ask myself, 'should I wait' before buying a set now and wait to see what comes, then this indicates that if I buy something now I may not be disappointed in 9 months time!
Does it help me figure out what the hell to spend my money on now though.. urghh.. not yet ;-) It would be so much easier if somebody said oh, 1800 quid and you want good 2d with some 3d too, then go for X ;-)
Cheers,
Mike
Does it help me figure out what the hell to spend my money on now though.. urghh.. not yet ;-) It would be so much easier if somebody said oh, 1800 quid and you want good 2d with some 3d too, then go for X ;-)
Cheers,
Mike
Many of the big players are pushing 3D : surprise, suprise!
I was quite surprised to read what LG has to say:
One show report I read says that LG favours passive 3D technology because active designs are a health hazard to the user : an LG spokeperson stating unambiguously :
'It is not safe to place batteries and electronics so close to the brain'.
I would be quite worried as a consumer, in the event some kind of neurological damage did occur.
Securing a good product liability case would be very difficult in such uncharted waters. Sure the TV may test fine on the manufacturer's workbench, but does that really prove that the technology is safe? And how definitive a medical statement of cause can one realistically expect from a doctor or consultant?
I don't see why any consumer should be guinea pigs for technology that has no proven safety record. I think the death of 3D may not be too far off when we start seeing major court cases in the U.S.
One show report I read says that LG favours passive 3D technology because active designs are a health hazard to the user : an LG spokeperson stating unambiguously :
'It is not safe to place batteries and electronics so close to the brain'.
I would be quite worried as a consumer, in the event some kind of neurological damage did occur.
Securing a good product liability case would be very difficult in such uncharted waters. Sure the TV may test fine on the manufacturer's workbench, but does that really prove that the technology is safe? And how definitive a medical statement of cause can one realistically expect from a doctor or consultant?
I don't see why any consumer should be guinea pigs for technology that has no proven safety record. I think the death of 3D may not be too far off when we start seeing major court cases in the U.S.
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StanleyAV:One show report I read says that LG favours passive 3D technology because active designs are a health hazard to the user : an LG spokeperson stating unambiguously :
'It is not safe to place batteries and electronics so close to the brain'.
I would be quite worried as a consumer, in the event some kind of neurological damage did occur.
Ridiculous. Has that LG spokesperson not been made aware of mobile phones? They've got quite popular over the last 15 years...
'It is not safe to place batteries and electronics so close to the brain'.
I would be quite worried as a consumer, in the event some kind of neurological damage did occur.
Ridiculous. Has that LG spokesperson not been made aware of mobile phones? They've got quite popular over the last 15 years...
professorhat:StanleyAV:One show report I read says that LG favours passive 3D technology because active designs are a health hazard to the user : an LG spokeperson stating unambiguously :
'It is not safe to place batteries and electronics so close to the brain'.
I would be quite worried as a consumer, in the event some kind of neurological damage did occur.
Ridiculous. Has that LG spokesperson not been made aware of mobile phones? They've got quite popular over the last 15 years...
They did seem to be contradicting themselves with both active and passive designs.
I reserve the right to be fully sceptical because I know firsthand how unproductive it is to pursue a product liability claim against a large manufacturer.You really don't want to walk down the road I did!!
'It is not safe to place batteries and electronics so close to the brain'.
I would be quite worried as a consumer, in the event some kind of neurological damage did occur.
Ridiculous. Has that LG spokesperson not been made aware of mobile phones? They've got quite popular over the last 15 years...
They did seem to be contradicting themselves with both active and passive designs.
I reserve the right to be fully sceptical because I know firsthand how unproductive it is to pursue a product liability claim against a large manufacturer.You really don't want to walk down the road I did!!
i think plasmas peaked with the 9th gen kuros, at least in terms of pic quality, i don't expect any manufacturer to bring out a plasma this year that beats the kuro hands down. i mean, how much better can the picture get with the tech? the last kuro was designed 3 years ago, if it was going to be bettered i think it would have happened by now. panasonic will probably catch up this year though.
i disagree with OP
pretty much everyone that makes a TV said the 2011 models would have less cross talk (thats as close as they will get to admiting it was pretty naff from some sources on previous models)
Plus it seems a lot of people now have their own back lighting technology so hopefully we will see less some nice dark black colours this year.
pretty much everyone that makes a TV said the 2011 models would have less cross talk (thats as close as they will get to admiting it was pretty naff from some sources on previous models)
Plus it seems a lot of people now have their own back lighting technology so hopefully we will see less some nice dark black colours this year.
The 21:9 news is quite significant
Vizo
JVC
With an LG on the cards to join Phillips.
The other significant one is the LG 55in OLED announced for 2012. This will be the set that will beat the Kuro. I think Pioneer already took Plasma to it's highest achievable limit. Then 4K2K resolution.
These are more significant than 3D which will eventually just be a standard part of the TV set i think.
Vizo
JVC
With an LG on the cards to join Phillips.
The other significant one is the LG 55in OLED announced for 2012. This will be the set that will beat the Kuro. I think Pioneer already took Plasma to it's highest achievable limit. Then 4K2K resolution.
These are more significant than 3D which will eventually just be a standard part of the TV set i think.
I'm quiet pleased on LGs approach to develope passive technology. I have never been a fan of the active type, having tried my friends new 46C8000 at great lengths and suffering from migraines with out these making it worst. And believe me after 20 mins, it became pretty uncomfortable (for me of course).
On the issue if the statement re. Having batteries close the brain etc. I agree fully, and although I own 2 mobile phones, a blackberry for work and iPhone for personal calls, 90% of my calls are made and received via my hands free in the car, usually stationary and I limit the time made directly on the handset also.
If there was a passive screen that was excellent with 2D around with reasonable 3D performance around 52" with LGs excellent aesthetics I would buy one.
On the issue if the statement re. Having batteries close the brain etc. I agree fully, and although I own 2 mobile phones, a blackberry for work and iPhone for personal calls, 90% of my calls are made and received via my hands free in the car, usually stationary and I limit the time made directly on the handset also.
If there was a passive screen that was excellent with 2D around with reasonable 3D performance around 52" with LGs excellent aesthetics I would buy one.
LG should come with two 21:9 plasma later this year - a 58" and a 50". The size 50" will be nice - not too big, not too small - the 58" is a bit large for our living room.
The JVC seems to have a relative matte screen - but the frame is glossy piano black. Interesting development in the 21:9 segment. Philips, JVC, Vizio and LG. Roumers says Panasonic is also working on a 21:9. Finally some competition .
OMG he's off on his reflective/non-reflective screen thing again. Nurse, the (non-reflective) screens, please...
Haha Andrew - very funny - some do include reflections in the judgement of picture quality - others are able to reprogram the brain to ignore.
Or indeed view the TVs 'in the flesh', rather than pass judgements based on photos/videos from trade shows
Yep - there's new MotionFlow XR 800 processing for the flagship models, as covered off in our news story here and also in the blog here
We'll get a lot more information on the rest of the specifications once we know which models are making it to the UK - we'll be getting a follow-up briefing in a few weeks' time.
We'll get a lot more information on the rest of the specifications once we know which models are making it to the UK - we'll be getting a follow-up briefing in a few weeks' time.
Clare Newsome:
Sometimes a simple tweak in spec is enough to make a product stand out from the crowd...
Panasonic Plasmas that can correctly handle motion at 50Hz springs to mind...
Sometimes a simple tweak in spec is enough to make a product stand out from the crowd...
Panasonic Plasmas that can correctly handle motion at 50Hz springs to mind...
Tom Moreno:Clare Newsome:
Sometimes a simple tweak in spec is enough to make a product stand out from the crowd...
Panasonic Plasmas that can correctly handle motion at 50Hz springs to mind...
I cant belive you went there.......... OH YES HE DID !!!
Sometimes a simple tweak in spec is enough to make a product stand out from the crowd...
Panasonic Plasmas that can correctly handle motion at 50Hz springs to mind...
I cant belive you went there.......... OH YES HE DID !!!
"Ultra Definition"
Now that could be the new buzz word for future tv's
LG 84in Ultra Definition TV
So it'll be UD not HD
TV's will sound like a new character for Star Wars UD3DTV
Now that could be the new buzz word for future tv's
LG 84in Ultra Definition TV
So it'll be UD not HD
TV's will sound like a new character for Star Wars UD3DTV
Not new - we've been writing about '4K2K' sets for some time now...and all the major manufacturers have shown examples.
For example, Panasonic has been touting around a 150in plasma version since 2008 (see third picture down in this blog)
For example, Panasonic has been touting around a 150in plasma version since 2008 (see third picture down in this blog)
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