...And they almost all did last time around that standalone converters were popular, but then that market kinda reached saturation and fizzled.
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But now that we have music streaming like spotify and larger cheap drives that can store all our cd's the market has to be alot bigger. Some prophets claim that almost all our music listening in the not so distant future will be some form of streaming.
Maybe we will see more stereo amps with dac's or perhaps the streaming thing will just be one more reason for folks to get an a/v receiver. Too bad that you have to shell out a huge ammount of cash to get a reciever that is as good for music as even a cheap stereo amp.
Maybe we will see more stereo amps with dac's or perhaps the streaming thing will just be one more reason for folks to get an a/v receiver. Too bad that you have to shell out a huge ammount of cash to get a reciever that is as good for music as even a cheap stereo amp.
chebby:
AlmaataKZ:Is it possible to set-up a fund maintained by WHF and interested readers to fund purchases of items for review? I would certainly chip in a tenner or something as long as I have a way to nominate and influence what kit gets purchased and reviewed (via e.g. an online vote).
Then 'raffle' the review goods to the contributors? -------- No, sell them via auction or WHF site.
Trouble is that people would only want to give their tenners towards stuff they wanted to own. ---------------- And that will reflect the interests of the community.
I realise it may be difficult to manage such a fund. collecting money is one thing, but managing refunds etc. can be a nightmare. Although there may be a workable scheme. If there is any, then it can provide a very strong position - havig a specialised independent fund suported by consumers/magazine - can gain quite an authority.
Or is it utopian?
Anyhow, my "tenner per year" is available.
AlmaataKZ:Is it possible to set-up a fund maintained by WHF and interested readers to fund purchases of items for review? I would certainly chip in a tenner or something as long as I have a way to nominate and influence what kit gets purchased and reviewed (via e.g. an online vote).
Then 'raffle' the review goods to the contributors? -------- No, sell them via auction or WHF site.
Trouble is that people would only want to give their tenners towards stuff they wanted to own. ---------------- And that will reflect the interests of the community.
I realise it may be difficult to manage such a fund. collecting money is one thing, but managing refunds etc. can be a nightmare. Although there may be a workable scheme. If there is any, then it can provide a very strong position - havig a specialised independent fund suported by consumers/magazine - can gain quite an authority.
Or is it utopian?
Anyhow, my "tenner per year" is available.
AlmaataKZ:
Grace m902 is another example of a strong candidate with extensive functionality and available for home demo from the distributor.
Is there merit in having a nomination and voting function on the site for the kit most interesting to help identify candidtes for reviews, gauge inerest and maybe even use as an extra point to support a request for a demo copy to the distributor/manufacturer?
Is it possible to set-up a fund maintained by WHF and interested readers to fund purchases of items for review? I would certainly chip in a tenner or something as long as I have a way to nominate and influence what kit gets purchased and reviewed (via e.g. an online vote).Untenable idea. WHF is a commercial enterprise not a charity. If you want to set up something like that then either do it yourself through rival, non-commercial websites or contact Which? magazine.
Grace m902 is another example of a strong candidate with extensive functionality and available for home demo from the distributor.
Is there merit in having a nomination and voting function on the site for the kit most interesting to help identify candidtes for reviews, gauge inerest and maybe even use as an extra point to support a request for a demo copy to the distributor/manufacturer?
Is it possible to set-up a fund maintained by WHF and interested readers to fund purchases of items for review? I would certainly chip in a tenner or something as long as I have a way to nominate and influence what kit gets purchased and reviewed (via e.g. an online vote).Untenable idea. WHF is a commercial enterprise not a charity. If you want to set up something like that then either do it yourself through rival, non-commercial websites or contact Which? magazine.
idc
Well-known member
I enjoyed the review and glad to see the Spitfire do so well. Bear in mind that review can put together with other DAC reviews available on the website to make for a very large selection.
One thing I would suggest, can DACs be made a separate category in the website and buyers guide?
One thing I would suggest, can DACs be made a separate category in the website and buyers guide?
the_lhc:
Ajani, read the thread. It's because they've never been sent one.
Why do people have such a hard time understanding this point? It's pretty much the answer every time someone asks "Why didn't you review xyz?", surely this is common knowledge by now?
I have no doubt that they have never been sent one (or I'm sure they would have reviewed it)... The question is really whether they ever requested one...
Ajani, read the thread. It's because they've never been sent one.
Why do people have such a hard time understanding this point? It's pretty much the answer every time someone asks "Why didn't you review xyz?", surely this is common knowledge by now?
I have no doubt that they have never been sent one (or I'm sure they would have reviewed it)... The question is really whether they ever requested one...
Ajani:I have no doubt that they have never been sent one (or I'm sure they would have reviewed it)... The question is really whether they ever requested one...
Ah, the 'second gunman on the grassy knoll' theory of WHFSV reviews...
All is revealed in the missing frames of our May 2010 vidcast, but unfortunately those will only be released for study in 50 years.
Ah, the 'second gunman on the grassy knoll' theory of WHFSV reviews...
All is revealed in the missing frames of our May 2010 vidcast, but unfortunately those will only be released for study in 50 years.
Andrew Everard:
Ajani:I have no doubt that they have never been sent one (or I'm sure they would have reviewed it)... The question is really whether they ever requested one...
Ah, the 'second gunman on the grassy knoll' theory of WHFSV reviews...
All is revealed in the missing frames of our May 2010 vidcast, but unfortunately those will only be released for study in 50 years.
Not quite... I don't believe it is some crazy conspiracy on WHF's part... I'm sure there is a sensible process for selecting items for review (which you mentioned earlier, if I'm not mistaken)... It's really just that some of us get curious as to whether it is case that a sample was requested and the manufacturer ignored/forgot about the request or whether WHF forgot to/overlooked requesting a product... If it was the manufacturer, then fine... If it was WHF, then we just want to give a 'subtle' reminder that we'd love to see the product reviewed...
Ajani:I have no doubt that they have never been sent one (or I'm sure they would have reviewed it)... The question is really whether they ever requested one...
Ah, the 'second gunman on the grassy knoll' theory of WHFSV reviews...
All is revealed in the missing frames of our May 2010 vidcast, but unfortunately those will only be released for study in 50 years.
Not quite... I don't believe it is some crazy conspiracy on WHF's part... I'm sure there is a sensible process for selecting items for review (which you mentioned earlier, if I'm not mistaken)... It's really just that some of us get curious as to whether it is case that a sample was requested and the manufacturer ignored/forgot about the request or whether WHF forgot to/overlooked requesting a product... If it was the manufacturer, then fine... If it was WHF, then we just want to give a 'subtle' reminder that we'd love to see the product reviewed...
While I'm amazed you're so keen to see a test - after all, you've already bought the product in question - we'll ensure it's considered next time we plan a DAC round-up.
Ajani, if it's of any comfort there are lots of reviews on the internet from organisations just as august as WHF.
Tarquinh:
Ajani, if it's of any comfort there are lots of reviews on the internet from organisations just as august as WHF.
Aaaaargh! Blasphemer! Burn the heretic!!
Ajani, if it's of any comfort there are lots of reviews on the internet from organisations just as august as WHF.
Aaaaargh! Blasphemer! Burn the heretic!!
Andrew Everard:While I'm amazed you're so keen to see a test - after all, you've already bought the product in question - we'll ensure it's considered next time we plan a DAC round-up.
Clearly a test result (good or bad) would make little (no) difference to my decisions as I've had the DAC1 for a few years... But I'm still interested to see what WHF thinks of it and how it stacks up against other alternatives... I've read various raves about it from other mags, but I'd still like to read WHF's opinion... While I've not always agreed with WHF's ratings for gear (many of my favourites got 4 stars - still a good rating), I've always found the reviews to be honest and the descriptions tend to coincide with my own experiences of the brands...
Clearly a test result (good or bad) would make little (no) difference to my decisions as I've had the DAC1 for a few years... But I'm still interested to see what WHF thinks of it and how it stacks up against other alternatives... I've read various raves about it from other mags, but I'd still like to read WHF's opinion... While I've not always agreed with WHF's ratings for gear (many of my favourites got 4 stars - still a good rating), I've always found the reviews to be honest and the descriptions tend to coincide with my own experiences of the brands...
Tarquinh:
Ajani, if it's of any comfort there are lots of reviews on the internet from organisations just as august as WHF.
There is no shortage of reviews of the DAC1 (all 4 versions) from both consumer and pro audio mags....
Ajani, if it's of any comfort there are lots of reviews on the internet from organisations just as august as WHF.
There is no shortage of reviews of the DAC1 (all 4 versions) from both consumer and pro audio mags....
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
My point being is it worth upgrading to the DAC X Box etc idc when I don't have the basic info on the one in use!
My point being is it worth upgrading to the DAC X Box etc idc when I don't have the basic info on the one in use!
shado:
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
Wouldn't you shout it from the roof tops if it was a high quality item?
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
Wouldn't you shout it from the roof tops if it was a high quality item?
PJPro:shado:
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
Wouldn't you shout it from the roof tops if it was a high quality item?
I am more interested in having a reference point for comparison rather than snobbery. Hopefully more manufacturers will start including DACs into future Amps!
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
Wouldn't you shout it from the roof tops if it was a high quality item?
I am more interested in having a reference point for comparison rather than snobbery. Hopefully more manufacturers will start including DACs into future Amps!
As you say, this is less about snobbery and more about the spec of the components used (particularly important with DACs).
Messiah
Well-known member
shado:
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
My point being is it worth upgrading to the DAC X Box etc idc when I don't have the basic info on the one in use!
I asked one of the Cyrus reps in Bristol when these were released and they told me the DAC in the amps was comparable to the one in the CD6 SE.
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
My point being is it worth upgrading to the DAC X Box etc idc when I don't have the basic info on the one in use!
I asked one of the Cyrus reps in Bristol when these were released and they told me the DAC in the amps was comparable to the one in the CD6 SE.
idc
Well-known member
Though, the more I read the more the opamp rather than the DAC chip is credited with the sound signature of a DAC.
idc:Though, the more I read the more the opamp rather than the DAC chip is credited with the sound signature of a DAC.
Sorry idc, I mean the spec of the DAC chip itself rather than the DAC module.
Sorry idc, I mean the spec of the DAC chip itself rather than the DAC module.
Messiah:shado:
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
My point being is it worth upgrading to the DAC X Box etc idc when I don't have the basic info on the one in use!
I asked one of the Cyrus reps in Bristol when these were released and they told me the DAC in the amps was comparable to the one in the CD6 SE.
Thanks Messiah, that kinda rules out connecting via optical route between my CDP and Amp
PJ Pro
On a slightly different note, I queried Cyrus as to what DAC is utilised in the 8XPd Amp and was told it is a corporate secret? I was only interested in what version so that I could compare figures. It does the job superbly but why the cloak and dagger over such a humble processor?
My point being is it worth upgrading to the DAC X Box etc idc when I don't have the basic info on the one in use!
I asked one of the Cyrus reps in Bristol when these were released and they told me the DAC in the amps was comparable to the one in the CD6 SE.
Thanks Messiah, that kinda rules out connecting via optical route between my CDP and Amp
PJ Pro
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