Clarification on LED tvs at currys

[bullitt]

Just the other day someone came up to me saying wow have you seen those LED tvs at currys bla bla, i said that LED tv is just an LCD tv and the LED is the technology which is the backlight, am i right or are the panels different than LCD screens ? If not then why are currys advertising the SAMSUNG UE40B7000 as an LED tv ? This is surely confusing people who dnt know any better, and someone else i know were going on about LED tv being the next technology and that (GET THIS) LCD and PLASMA are old hat, laughable i know, to which i said 3D tv is the next technology and until something else is dominating the market LCD and PLASMA are NOT old hat.

So if someone can clarify my question on LED TV please .

Sorry to go on but some people are very annoying..

 

[Dave_]

yes it's just the backlighting that's LED,the sets themselves are still LCD.

In fact matthewpiano started a thread on the same subject not so long ago,Here if thatsany help.

 

[bullitt]

So is this false advetising then ? even though it has led, but other tvs on there site are advertised as lcd tvs !

 

[staggerlee]

I'm not much bothered by this.....at the end of the day people are going to call them LED TV's regardless of the fact that they are LCD.ISn't that what Samsung are doing ? ÿThis term is also being used by other retailers, specialists etc so it is not a Curry's thing.

 

[bullitt]

Im not saying its just currys its just relevant to the start of this post, and ive not really noticed other retailers calling them LED tvs, my point is if there advertising LED TV and there just LCD TV, then surely the LCD tvs are also LED TV ! To the buying public its confusing them into thinking its something different,unless it is! which was my first question.

Dont work for them do you ?

 

[Anonymous]

You said 3d was going to be the new technology. I've read that as well, but I also read somewhere, and I thought it was a valid point, that the immersive effect of 3d was somewhat lost when used in a traditional home cinema set up, simply because the screen doesn't fill (any where near) your entire field of vision. I've only seen one 3d film, but I'm not sure to what extent I would want this at home, unless i had a 150" screen, which isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

I though oled was going to be the new technology anyway. And if so, will it be a combination of oled and 3d, or lcd/plasma and 3d which is what i believe theyre working on at the moment? Who knows.

Oh, back on point. I agree, they shouldn't be marketing it as a new separate technology, they should be called what they are, led backlit lcds. Didn't samsung have these before, but are really pushing this now with led, because the tvs are so thin as a result of the leds being on the sides? The tech isn't necesarily new, just being used differently?

 

[bullitt]

There just trying to be clever with the marketing but i think its misleading, i have read somewhere that if you were to have a pure LED tv it would cost a fortune, not sure how true this is.I think that perticular samsung tv it has less power consumption, but is that because of LED tech, is LED used more in that tv ? and at what point does it become an LED tv ?

With regards to 3D tv will we have to go buy 3D specs ? lol

 

[Andrew Everard]

bullitt:With regards to 3D tv will we have to go buy 3D specs ? lol

Quite probably, yes - although several manufacturers are working on sets able to give 3D without specs. Having seen one or two of them in action, I'd suggest they have quite a way to go...

 

[Anonymous]

Bullit,

I think you might be referring to oled tvs, which apparently use much lower power, and these are stupidly expensive - I think sony do an 11" for about £3,500.

As for the power consumption of the 'eco friendly' led backlit lcds, I read they only offer a very small percentage reduction in power consumption over other tvs of its size. Then again calling a tv eco friendly is slightly misleading, I'm sure all of us on this forum have enhanced the poor polar bears plight.

 

[staggerlee]

Bullitt - i don't work for them.......but am a member of the buying public that isn't confused

 

[bullitt]

staggerlee:Bullitt - i don't work for them.......but am a member of the buying public that isn't confused

Well perhaps seeing as you not confused you can answer my question ? im not ashamed to say i was confused a bit thats why i posted the question !, im asking a viable question here,so maybe you could read it again and answer it if thats not too confusing !

Andrew

How could they make a 3d tv without the glasses Humans only see in 2D, isnt that the point, unless it will be a 3D effect !

 

[Andrew Everard]

bullitt:Andrew

How could they make a 3d tv without the glasses Humans only see in 2D, isnt that the point, unless it will be a 3D effect !

No, we see in 3D. That's how you can judge how far away things are.

 

[Anonymous]

bullitt:Just the other day someone came up to me saying wow have you seen those LED tvs at currys bla bla, i said that LED tv is just an LCD tv and the LED is the technology which is the backlight, am i right or are the panels different than LCD screens ? If not then why are currys advertising the SAMSUNG UE40B7000 as an LED tv ? This is surely confusing people who dnt know any better, and someone else i know were going on about LED tv being the next technology and that (GET THIS) LCD and PLASMA are old hat, laughable i know, to which i said 3D tv is the next technology and until something else is dominating the market LCD and PLASMA are NOT old hat.

So if someone can clarify my question on LED TV please .

Sorry to go on but some people are very annoying..

You're very quick to place the blame on Currys for this advertising stunt.

I think you're better off directing your blame placing on Samsung as they are the culprits, not Currys.

 

[bullitt]

Purify21:
bullitt:Just the other day someone came up to me saying wow have you seen those LED tvs at currys bla bla, i said that LED tv is just an LCD tv and the LED is the technology which is the backlight, am i right or are the panels different than LCD screens ? If not then why are currys advertising the SAMSUNG UE40B7000 as an LED tv ? This is surely confusing people who dnt know any better, and someone else i know were going on about LED tv being the next technology and that (GET THIS) LCD and PLASMA are old hat, laughable i know, to which i said 3D tv is the next technology and until something else is dominating the market LCD and PLASMA are NOT old hat.

So if someone can clarify my question on LED TV please .

Sorry to go on but some people are very annoying..

You're very quick to place the blame on Currys for this advertising stunt.

I think you're better off directing your blame placing on Samsung as they are the culprits, not Currys.

I think your mis understanding my point, currys is just an example, if there are other retailers doing the same then my opinion is of the same,i refered to currys because someone i know made me aware of this, i havn't bothered to look at other retailers im not interested, its the principle of it.

Plus i don't see how samsung are to blame, noone forced currys to advertise these LCD tvs as LED and just for your information the tv advertised as LED is the UE40B7000 which according to WHF in this months mag is the same tv as the UE40B7020 the 7000 is exclusive to currys.

Why so defensive about currys anyway, there rubbish, the only time i go in there is to use them to see the tvs in the flesh, then order online, go back and tell them i got my tv £400 pound cheaper, good fun try it.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't really understand why you're blaming currys. All the retailers I've seen that stock this samsung tv advertise them as LED tvs. It even says that on the box. Currys don't unilaterally make the decision on how to advertise a product, and neither does any other retailer. They are given the marketing materials (I presume, I don't know for sure, since I don't work in the industry) by the manufacturer. After all, it's not curry's job to find innovative ways to market televisions, that's the manufacturer's responsibility. I would assume, samsung DO force them to market them in this way.

By the way, samsung have a section for lcd tvs and one for led tvs on their website.

I also don't think it is particularly confusing. I think initially when you go to a shop and look around, it may be, but if you're spending the sort of money one of these tvs cost, you're more than likely going to do some research into it, to see how it compares to other products on the market, aren't you? In doing so, you will find out what the technology is.

 

[bullitt]

hmtb:
I don't really understand why you're blaming currys. All the retailers I've seen that stock this samsung tv advertise them as LED tvs. It even says that on the box. Currys don't unilaterally make the decision on how to advertise a product, and neither does any other retailer. They are given the marketing materials (I presume, I don't know for sure, since I don't work in the industry) by the manufacturer. After all, it's not curry's job to find innovative ways to market televisions, that's the manufacturer's responsibility. I would assume, samsung DO force them to market them in this way.

By the way, samsung have a section for lcd tvs and one for led tvs on their website.

I also don't think it is particularly confusing. I think initially when you go to a shop and look around, it may be, but if you're spending the sort of money one of these tvs cost, you're more than likely going to do some research into it, to see how it compares to other products on the market, aren't you? In doing so, you will find out what the technology is.

I dont know how it all works either samsung or currys or who ever it may be, so your saying they have a section for LED tv and one for LCD tv, ok so i thought that LCD TV was ther same thing as LED tv ? if so how can you have two sections ? perhaps WHF can clarify this please as im going round in circles here please !

 

[Andrew Everard]

Conventional LCD TVs use backlights which are effectively thin fluorescent tubes behind the LCD panel. These can be dimmed, but are essentially always on, as the LCD panel produces no light itself - unlike a plasma panel - but merely modifies the light passing through it.

LED-illuminated TVs use LED lighting for the LCD panel. This can be a matrix of LED light sources behind the panel, LED sources at the edges of the panel, combined with reflective material to spread the light behind the TV, or what are called 'local dimming' LED arrays, in which many more LEDs are used.

In the first two kinds of LED-illuminated LCD TVs, the lighting functions much as the tubes do in conventional TVs.

In the local dimming models, the LEDs can be controlled in tandem with the LCD panel, so that for example dark areas of an image get much less - or even no - illumination, at the same time as bright areas are getting much higher levels. This can give better contrast and colour definition, but the effect depends on how small the clusters of LEDs are, and thus how localised the dimming can be.

Some companies are using the term LED TV to set LED-illuminated LCDs apart from the kind using the longer-established tube lighting. It's called marketing.

 

[staggerlee]

hey bullitt, not trying to be awkward here but what you getting stressed about ?. I presume your looking for a TV, so just read the reviews, see which one you like best and buy one - regardles of whether it is LED or not.

 

[SteveR750]

Andrew Everard:
Conventional LCD TVs use backlights which are effectively thin fluorescent tubes behind the LCD panel. These can be dimmed, but are essentially always on, as the LCD panel produces no light itself - unlike a plasma panel - but merely modifies the light passing through it.

LED-illuminated TVs use LED lighting for the LCD panel. This can be a matrix of LED light sources behind the panel, LED sources at the edges of the panel, combined with reflective material to spread the light behind the TV, or what are called 'local dimming' LED arrays, in which many more LEDs are used.

In the first two kinds of LED-illuminated LCD TVs, the lighting functions much as the tubes do in conventional TVs.

In the local dimming models, the LEDs can be controlled in tandem with the LCD panel, so that for example dark areas of an image get much less - or even no - illumination, at the same time as bright areas are getting much higher levels. This can give better contrast and colour definition, but the effect depends on how small the clusters of LEDs are, and thus how localised the dimming can be.

Some companies are using the term LED TV to set LED-illuminated LCDs apart from the kind using the longer-established tube lighting. It's called marketing.

and perfectly answering the question I was about to ask! Thanks!

Is therefore, the "auto dimming" feature on my TV related to this contrast control?

 

[Andrew Everard]

Depends which TV it is...

 

[SteveR750]

Andrew Everard:Depends which TV it is...

A samsung LE32B530P which since was purchased from Comet must be therefore be Comet spec (and not Currys, Argos, Dixons, etc etc etc ) . I know the Japanese/Koreans are obsessed with alpha-numeric codes for product naming, but their TV's are so unmemorable in so many variants it's a pain in the neck trying to buy one.

 

[Andrew Everard]

More likely to be a sensor-controlled backlight adjustment, responding to ambient lighting conditions.

 

[SteveR750]

Thanks.

 

[Anonymous]

bullitt:

I think your mis understanding my point, currys is just an example, if there are other retailers doing the same then my opinion is of the same,i refered to currys because someone i know made me aware of this, i havn't bothered to look at other retailers im not interested, its the principle of it.

Plus i don't see how samsung are to blame, noone forced currys to advertise these LCD tvs as LED and just for your information the tv advertised as LED is the UE40B7000 which according to WHF in this months mag is the same tv as the UE40B7020 the 7000 is exclusive to currys.

Why so defensive about currys anyway, there rubbish, the only time i go in there is to use them to see the tvs in the flesh, then order online, go back and tell them i got my tv £400 pound cheaper, good fun try it.

I'm not misunderstanding anything. Samsung are the culprits behind this marketing farce, not the retailers.

I do know about the model situation.

There are a lot of good things happening at Currys, the new stores are such a change from what everyone is used to.

What
you do happens a lot which is very unfortunate because it's costing
jobs. Hopefully there will something around the corner to help prevent
such a dramatic difference in prices from the retailers in store to
online.
It appears to me that a lot of the time, a lot of people
just like to jump on the bandwagon and convey negativity towards any
specific company. A lot of companies are changing the way they work for
the consumers benefit but it could all be for nothing if people aren't
willing to jump off the bandwagon and actually care to take any notice!

 

[SteveR750]

Surely the retailer is using the marketing info provided by the manufacturer, after all they are retailers not experts in 1000's of domstica appliance lines, any more than Tescos can be responsiblke for what gos into a tin of baked beans...I would suggest therefore that Samsung and others are completely responsible for the term "LED TV". In any case what is so wrong about that? Its not fiction, its based upon the design of the set. If some uninformed consumer decides to assume that it means some new form of screen (instead of LCD) well then there frankly is no excuse for not researching stuff before you buy it! It's only misleading if the performance claims of a product are not met, i.e. you dont actually get what was described.