Cinema Loft Conversion

[duaplex]

Hey Cno, apology not needed

I have been looking at some Amps and your advice is always welcome

John - Last I knew was that Ken was no longer associatd with MK, well as of 2007 when the company shut down. Still wouldnt hurt to fire one across

 

[duaplex]

Indeed, I did compare them. The S150's are great, extremely good at what they do (excellent with Music too, I found), but the S300 is just a class above. The detail they produce is something special. I was able to pick up on every nuance of sound coming from the sound track, for the first time I didn't feel an effect was out of place or underwhelming. Altogether it’s a lot more powerful and meant for bigger rooms. Both are truly immersive, but the S300 just envelopes you in sound. But, of course a S300 setup is 2x the amount of money, so you would expect that.

Imagine listening to a setup like the RX6 from MA and then listening to the Platinum range. The experience is like that. I actually came home and my CM8's sounded awful :doh:

It's going to take a heck of a system to top it for me.

 

[JohnHolmes]

Yes I know Ken Kreisel is back with his own brand new designs and may be able to give you an idea when his new monitors are out.

 

[duaplex]

I think my mind is made up, I will be going with the S300 on wall version in a 7:2 setup.

Now comes the big question. Do I hold fire on the £8,000 sony 4k projector and go for a cheaper one at maybe 1k (1080p)? It's an impossible question to answer, this I appreciate as we do not know how 8k will pan out. Buy 4k and risk being obsolete or buy 1080p and know you will be obsolete in a year or 2.

Logic would suggest that buying a 1080p projector now would ultimately be less costly in the long run as 4k projectors will likely drop.

 

[bigboss]

Not sure if a £1K projector will do justice to your setup. I don't think 4K will become obsolete. 3D required you to change your viewing habits and wear glasses. So it wasn't very popular. 4K will happen on the contrary, sooner or later.

A suitable compromise would be the JVC X500 for £4.7K which offers brilliant 1080p pictures (amongst the best I've seen), and also accepts 4K:

http://www.avforums.com/review/jvc-x500-dla-x500-3d-d-ila-projector-review.9922

 

[duaplex]

Actually I was looking at that too, only today . Excellent projector I must say. I think I will go for 4k, otherwise I will end up buying it to upgrade later on at this price point.

Thank you for helping me BB!

 

[Frank Harvey]

The JVCs will accept a 4K signal, but they downscale it to 2K before scaling it back up again to 'almost' 4K. I'd wait for a genuine native 4K PJ and do it properly.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Superb! Thank you for that detailed answer! Suddenly the allure of the MK is fading and now I may need to look at KK. I better keep it to a few manufacturers, because at this rate I will listen to everything and choose nothing

No problem, you're more than welcome,

I need to come see you for a demo, so will give the store a call tomorrow and arrange something for next week perhaps?

Sorry, been away at Bristol so haven't answered anything over the weekend. It seems you've made your mind up all of a sudden, but you're more than welcome to try the PMCs - these were surprisingly close to the MKs that we previously used to have in the demo room.

I am about 80% sure that floorstands are not the way to go (or a necessity as mentioned), but I am open to trying and hearing it.

No, they're not necessarily needed.

 

[duaplex]

Thank you for the chat yesterday. I very much look forward to the Demo of the PMC and Faber speakers.

Also spoke with Ken and made him aware that I really would have loved a demo and to buy from a store!

 

[duaplex]

I may be delving into the relms of fantasy now. I am starting to consider a 11.4 Presence setup using the KK quattro series and stacking 4 DXD 12012 subs.

Dear lord where will this end!

 

[Drew_C]

I may be delving into the relms of fantasy now. I am starting to consider a 11.4 Presence setup using the KK quattro series and stacking 4 DXD 12012 subs.

Dear lord where will this end!

I think it ends with your last thought! I have a Quattro Q125 TriFX DXD12012 Duo setup and it is bloody awesome!

Your search is over you have found the best!

 

[Drew_C]

I may be delving into the relms of fantasy now. I am starting to consider a 11.4 Presence setup using the KK quattro series and stacking 4 DXD 12012 subs.

Dear lord where will this end!

I think it ends with your last thought! I have a Quattro Q125 TriFX DXD12012 Duo setup and it is bloody awesome!

Your search is over you have found the best!

 

[duaplex]

Nice, so are you operating a 5.2 setup there?

I was thinking 7.2 or now 11.4. Maybe 4 subs is overkill in this room.

 

[Drew_C]

Nice, so are you operating a 5.2 setup there?

I was thinking 7.2 or now 11.4. Maybe 4 subs is overkill in this room.

5.duo setup, a duo or quad setup will still be seen a a single sub. In the near future I will have my setup in a 5 x 3.2 M dedicated room, and I plan on adding a couple more DXD's one day.

 

[duaplex]

David - when you say wait for Native 4k Projectors. Is the Sony VPN-VW500 not a native 4k PJ? It is advertised as so. Or is it market gimmickry?

 

[Frank Harvey]

The Sony VW1100 (the VW1000 is now the old model) and the VW500 are both genuine 4K projectors. If you're happy to go with one of these, they look stunning, but if you're looking at something a little easier in the pocket, maybe waiting until around August/September would be worthwhile to see if more models from other manufacturers will appear, or to see if the base level price decreases - you never know, it may come down to around £5/6k, but then it will be a case of how much a cheaper model will have been compromised.

 

[duaplex]

Thanks David,

I should hopefully have a demo of the quattro series soon, then its over to you and the PMC demo. I am taking your advice and I have my notebook with me.

I really feel I am upgrading at the wrong time here, then again is there ever a right time! With Atmos coming and apparently one particular manufacturer ready to include it on their AV soon (summer), the question is - Should I wait for that?

What does everyone think?

 

[Frank Harvey]

Thanks David,

I should hopefully have a demo of the quattro series soon, then its over to you and the PMC demo. I am taking your advice and I have my notebook with me.

I really feel I am upgrading at the wrong time here, then again is there ever a right time! With Atmos coming and apparently one particular manufacturer ready to include it on their AV soon (summer), the question is - Should I wait for that?

What does everyone think?

I'm sure by this time next year, more manufacturers will be including Atmos, but it uses more channels to create its effect. The last thing we need is sub £1,000 AV receivers driving 11+ speakers! I would presume that you could play back Atmos encoded films in standard 5.1, but that would hegate the effect of what Atmos is trying to do. I haven't read up too much about it myself as it seemed a bit of a pipe dream for the domestic market last year, but will do for when you come in.

 

[Andy Clough]

David - when you say wait for Native 4k Projectors. Is the Sony VPN-VW500 not a native 4k PJ? It is advertised as so. Or is it market gimmickry?

There's a revew of the Sony VPL-VW500ES 4K projector in the April issue of the magazine, on sale March 12th. Without giving too much away, think you might be interested to read that

 

[The_Lhc]

Thanks David,

I should hopefully have a demo of the quattro series soon, then its over to you and the PMC demo. I am taking your advice and I have my notebook with me.

I really feel I am upgrading at the wrong time here, then again is there ever a right time! With Atmos coming and apparently one particular manufacturer ready to include it on their AV soon (summer), the question is - Should I wait for that?

What does everyone think?

I'm sure by this time next year, more manufacturers will be including Atmos, but it uses more channels to create its effect. The last thing we need is sub £1,000 AV receivers driving 11+ speakers! I would presume that you could play back Atmos encoded films in standard 5.1, but that would hegate the effect of what Atmos is trying to do. I haven't read up too much about it myself as it seemed a bit of a pipe dream for the domestic market last year, but will do for when you come in.

I didn't think they were going to bother with Atmos for the home market? Althought the DTS alternative (forget the name, there was an article about it here a couple of weeks ago) looks interesting.

 

[Frank Harvey]

I didn't think they were going to bother with Atmos for the home market? Althought the DTS alternative (forget the name, there was an article about it here a couple of weeks ago) looks interesting.

As I say, it's not really something I have read much about, as It is something I wouldn't ex[ect to see for the domestic market. Datasat have added it to their processors, but they're more specialist and can cope with that sort of upgrade, but I can't see 'run of the mill' AV receivers getting Atmos. Who knows though? I'll have to read up more to see what's going on.

 

[duaplex]

Kobina Monney seems to think so.

"Nevertheless, with a number of films due for release in the format this year, a list that includes 300: Rise of an Empire, Noah, The Amazing Spider-Man 2(above), Godzilla, X-Men: Days of Future Past and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes; filmmakers are embracing Atmos and are looking to include it from the beginning of the production process."

Of course I do not negate the fact that it could be another "3D".

Personally I would love to see it, and we are long overdue that next step.

 

[ellisdj]

The issue with more and more speakers in a room is actually going to cause more problems than do good.

Most rooms cant properly handle 5 speakers - sounds are not absorbed and are reflecting around the room constantly ruining what you are supposed to be hearing.

Adding more speakers and you get more of this - I can undertsand it in properly treated Big rooms but in the average domestic living / listening room is it honestly necessary / a good thing? If a speaker is less than a few metres away do you need another one in that same space?

 

[Frank Harvey]

Even if it takes off, it could be a very niche market. How many people want 10-20 speakers in their living room? Hell, how many want 6?! It'll either remain niche and only for those who have dedicated rooms, and therefore command a high price, or it'll be dropped down to budget level and eventually stuck in £500 AV receivers for all to enjoy in its "compromised" glory, which seems to be the way 4K is going.

 

[duaplex]

I think the latter personally.

I for one would pay to have the speakers if as said above the room is capable. Hopefully the room will be shortly, but I appreciate that not everyone has this luxury. Unless we all move out to the country and build a dedicated room somewhere on a field.

An appealing prospect