CHORD HDMI SUPERSHIELD HDMI (Awards 2009) vs. VAN DEN HUL HDMI FLAT HDMI (Awards 2008)vs. QED PERFORMANCE HDMI (Awards 2006)

[Andrew Everard]

idc:Or have convinced yourself that there is a difference.

Nice try, but my version involves looking and seeing for oneself, and forming an opinion, as opposed to simple denial.

 

[Andrew Everard]

maxflinn:data loss, should there be any, is random
nobody has ever (to my knowledge) reported inconsistencies in pic/sound on repeat viewing of a source using a hdmi cable that they perceive to be worse than another..

why is this?

because the cable in question is not losing data, otherwise there would be random errors resulting in inconsistent image/sound..

which is never reported.

You've said this several times now, and I still don't know what point you're trying to make.

 

[Anonymous]

all covered here andrew..

my point is, if a working hdmi cable is perceived to be losing enough data to visibly/sonically degrade the image/sound. then because said data loss is random, the image/sound degradation would also have to be random, which would have to result in an inconsistent image/sound..

so if one was to watch the same movie scene over and over again while using a cable that was perceived to be losing data, they would see/hear the manifestations of the random data loss in a different way every time..

blacks could be white, then green. sound could be affected a different way each time. artifacts could appear in different places, there could not be a consistent image..

this is never reported??

 

[Anonymous]

Glad this debate is still raging on....

But to aid your viewing pleasure please give 'Resident Evil Afterlife' a miss. Another awful film, I should have known better.

Think I'll look up the Amazing Randy again to cheer myself up....

 

[Andrew Everard]

maxflinn:
all covered here andrew.

<SNIP>

this is never reported??

Yes, I know what you said, but I still don't get what you're banging on about, even with the ARI on the end of your last statement?

 

[hammill]

axman:

hammill:The tosh does not play blu rays, SACDs, or DVD-As. The kids would complain that I had stolen their DVD player.

So apart from the features of the Oppo, they both deliver the same picture/audio quality?

I never said that. I was making the point that the difference between well and badly recorded makes more difference than the difference between players and certainly the differeance between cables.

 

[axman]

hammill:I never said that. I was making the point that the difference between well and badly recorded makes more difference than the difference between players and certainly the differeance between cables.

Fully understood.

I am just curious as to why I see many many arguments about HDMI cables on these forums, but no one talks about the difference between players when the same arguments can be had (it's all 1s and 0s, there is no data loss so it's all the same, either it works or it doesn't, etc. etc.)

 

[Anonymous]

axman:

I am just curious as to why I see many many arguments about HDMI cables on these forums, but no one talks about the difference between players when the same arguments can be had (it's all 1s and 0s, there is no data loss so it's all the same, either it works or it doesn't, etc. etc.)

I would think that you would get a difference between players because the processing chips and circuits would be different. The 1 and 0 may be the same from the read laser but there could be a huge difference on how each player handles the data. With an HDMI cable its more simple, no fancy processing is done.

I'm not saying there's not a difference but is it a perceivable difference? In my case it was a no.

 

[idc]

Andrew Everard:
idc:Or have convinced yourself that there is a difference.

Nice try, but my version involves looking and seeing for oneself, and forming an opinion, as opposed to simple denial.

Why is it that it is possible to convince yourself that there is no difference, but you cannot convince yourself that there is a difference? I would say that it is possible to do both. So, to find out if there really is a difference we need to test for it.

How we test for it, especially since blind testing is so controversial would be a constructive debate. (In amongst the nonsense!)

 

[Andrew Everard]

I was making the distinction between trying something for oneself and not even bothering trying it because you 'know' it can't make a difference.

 

[idc]

You can read about both sides of the argument and make your own mind up without having to arrange an audition or buying an expensive cable. I think that it perfectly reasonable to decide against doing something without having tried it, particularly when you have the example of loads of people who have tried it to go by.

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:maxflinn:
all covered here andrew.

<SNIP>

this is never reported??

Yes, I know what you said, but I still don't get what you're banging on about, even with the ARI on the end of your last statement?

gooday

, ok mate, if sheila done a barbie every week

and she was cooking for larry, harry, barry, gary and nathan junior

but she only had 4 sausages

and she handed them out randomly, every week

why would nathan junior always be the one with the empty gullet

 

[Andrew Everard]

Makes much more sense.

 

[Anonymous]

maxflinn:Andrew Everard:maxflinn:
all covered here andrew.

<SNIP>

this is never reported??

Yes, I know what you said, but I still don't get what you're banging on about, even with the ARI on the end of your last statement?

gooday

, ok mate, if sheila done a barbie every week

and she was cooking for larry, harry, barry, gary and nathan junior

but she only had 4 sausages

and she handed them out randomly, every week

why would nathan junior always be the one with the empty gullet

Lol

 

[idc]

I agree with Maxflynn. Why, if HDMI cables are different, why is there no consistency in that difference? Why do some report no difference and others do but vary as to how?

I would also like to know what is in the cable that makes the various differences. Does more shielding make colours brighter? Does copper make the bass heavier?

 

[Anonymous]

maxflinn:Andrew Everard:maxflinn:

all covered here andrew.

<SNIP>

this is never reported??

Yes, I know what you said, but I still don't get what you're banging on about, even with the ARI on the end of your last statement?

gooday

, ok mate, if sheila done a barbie every week

and she was cooking for larry, harry, barry, gary and nathan junior

but she only had 4 sausages

and she handed them out randomly, every week

why would nathan junior always be the one with the empty gullet

So I think what you are saying is that you might as well connect your Blu-Ray using a string of sausages rather than buying an expensive HDMI cable. I get it now...brill

 

[bigboss]

maxflinn: gooday

, ok mate, if sheila done a barbie every week

and she was cooking for larry, harry, barry, gary and nathan junior

but she only had 4 sausages

and she handed them out randomly, every week

why would nathan junior always be the one with the empty gullet

She needs to buy more sausages!! Or look for deals offering 20% extra free!!

 

[Anonymous]

bigboss:maxflinn: gooday

, ok mate, if sheila done a barbie every week

and she was cooking for larry, harry, barry, gary and nathan junior

but she only had 4 sausages

and she handed them out randomly, every week

why would nathan junior always be the one with the empty gullet

She needs to buy more sausages!! Or look for deals offering 20% extra free!!

i think we'll have to ask andrew to exchange gel and sheilas email addresses, he's the right man to find deals

 

[Anonymous]

As many people have stated on this forum it really makes no difference what HDMI cable you chose - they are digital and either work or don't.

The simple fact is this statement is backed up by many scientific tests, whereas the alternative opinion offered has no scientific basis and is based purely on a subjective opinion.

Lets not forget science is based on repeatedly demonstrable facts - for example take the law of gravity; no matter how many times you drop an apple (or anything else) it will always fall towards the ground.

I've yet to read a single scientific test which has found different HDMI cables can produce different results - especially the nonsense written in many reviews about "grip", "noise" "natural tones", "detailing" etc. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion but lets put it in perspective, it is a subjective one and is not based on any scientific tests.

 

[professorhat]

"Grip" - that's a new one for me!

 

[bigboss]

professorhat:

"Grip" - that's a new one for me!

Se....we'll always learn something new on the subject, even if it has been done to death so many times!

 

[bigboss]

maxflinn: i think we'll have to ask andrew to exchange gel and sheilas email addresses, he's the right man to find deals

 

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